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07-13-2011, 10:09 AM
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I'll take that as a go-ahead, considering Shoe picks after us.

Awesome Express selects Ron Duguay, C

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Philadelphia selects a guy who will form a dynamic duo with McDougall, C/LW Robbie Ftorek
Tremendous pick, was looking at him as a 3rd liner later on (Was hoping he'd slip).

By the way did Tom re-pick? Someone told me he did but from reviewing the thread since last night it looks like he never.

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07-13-2011, 12:33 PM
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Let's go with some more familiarity...the Belleville Bulls select: G - Kirk McLean

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07-13-2011, 12:36 PM
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You picked Dave Christian!!
Christian's not really injury prone. Played 80 games quite a few times. 1009 GP vs. 456 GP for Bergeron.

Really, games played is the only reason I question the Bergeron pick. If he had another 200 or so games under his belt at the level he played at this past season, he'd be an excellent two-way third liner at this level, I think. Not sure what to think of him now, honestly. Kind of a "meh" for me, I think.

Hell, if Bergeron just had another 100 GP, he'd be on the same relative level as a lot of the wingers picked here (Vail, Payne, etc). Edit: But the center vs. winger thing makes sense.

Dave does have a good point re: Jordan Staal and others though.

Games Played:

Patrice Bergeron: 456
Jordan Staal: 369
Mike Richards: 453
Ryan Kesler: 484

Maybe it isn't such a bad pick.


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07-13-2011, 12:42 PM
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07-13-2011, 12:45 PM
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Sergei Babinov, D

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I hope you can do a good bio for him. He's a player that intrigued me since I drafted Bilyaletdinov in the main draft. He and Bilya were the guys tasked with keeping Gretzky out of his office in the 1981 Canada Cup, according to one source. But Bilya then became famous for being part of the Soviet's second pairing with Pervukhin and known in North America as the third great Soviet defender behind Fetisov and Kasatonov. Babinov is basically an unknown to North Americans outside of 1981, it seems.

I'm very interesting in knowing more about Babinov.

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07-13-2011, 12:49 PM
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Christian's not really injury prone. Played 80 games quite a few times. 1009 GP vs. 456 GP for Bergeron.

Really, games played is the only reason I question the Bergeron pick. If he had another 200 or so games under his belt at the level he played at this past season, he'd be an excellent two-way third liner at this level, I think. Not sure what to think of him now, honestly. Kind of a "meh" for me, I think.

Hell, if Bergeron just had another 100 GP, he'd be on the same relative level as a lot of the wingers picked here (Vail, Payne, etc). Edit: But the center vs. winger thing makes sense.

Dave does have a good point re: Jordan Staal and others though.

Games Played:

Patrice Bergeron: 456
Jordan Staal: 369
Mike Richards: 453
Ryan Kesler: 484

Maybe it isn't such a bad pick.
I defintely do think Bergeron is a better pick than Staal. Not necessarily than Richards or Kesler though, which I guess makes sense considering the 200 or so pick difference. If Dave can prove Bergeron has LW eligibility (really he only played it in the Olympics this time around as far as I can remember), then the pick is better as a defensive LW who can shadow some of the higher scoring RWers. But if he's only a center I still don't like the pick.

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07-13-2011, 01:12 PM
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Christian's not really injury prone. Played 80 games quite a few times. 1009 GP vs. 456 GP for Bergeron.
Yeah, as you probably know now, my beef didn't have anything to do with injuries.

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Really, games played is the only reason I question the Bergeron pick. If he had another 200 or so games under his belt at the level he played at this past season, he'd be an excellent two-way third liner at this level, I think. Not sure what to think of him now, honestly. Kind of a "meh" for me, I think.
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Dave does have a good point re: Jordan Staal and others though.

Games Played:

Patrice Bergeron: 456
Jordan Staal: 369
Mike Richards: 453
Ryan Kesler: 484

Maybe it isn't such a bad pick.
Would it be safe to say, though, that he's about even with them in GP in which he had a defensive impact? I mean, he came right in at 18 and wouldn't have been at all polished defensively that season.

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not that I needed a goalie, or wanted another d-man right now, but McLean and Smith were 1 and 2 on my positional lists.

Smith doesn't meet a lot of my usual criteria (TOI for example) but was a very useful and valuable "niche" player. He would be an elite 3rd pairing guy here, worth taking early and before your 1st and 2nd pairing guys in some cases because his exact skill set is rare. I could see him on a 2nd pairing too, but that wasn't my plan. I knew I was going to have to take him fairly early to get him...

pick coming soon.

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07-13-2011, 01:13 PM
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I defintely do think Bergeron is a better pick than Staal. Not necessarily than Richards or Kesler though, which I guess makes sense considering the 200 or so pick difference. If Dave can prove Bergeron has LW eligibility (really he only played it in the Olympics this time around as far as I can remember), then the pick is better as a defensive LW who can shadow some of the higher scoring RWers. But if he's only a center I still don't like the pick.
In addition to the Olympics there's also his rookie season (IIRC he was about 50/50 LW/C there) and the 06 Worlds where he played on the same line as Crosby.

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07-13-2011, 01:17 PM
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You're right - Richards, Kesler, and Jordan Staal were top defensive players almost from the moment they started playing. Bergeron probably only has defensive value from his last 200 or so GP.

I still think it's a better pick than Jordan Staal, though.

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07-13-2011, 01:21 PM
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Maybe Jordan Staal wasn't that great of a pick , they were a lot of rushed pick at the end of the ATD , and also a lot of wasted spares that could have been useful in the MLD.

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I hope you can do a good bio for him. He's a player that intrigued me since I drafted Bilyaletdinov in the main draft. He and Bilya were the guys tasked with keeping Gretzky out of his office in the 1981 Canada Cup, according to one source. But Bilya then became famous for being part of the Soviet's second pairing with Pervukhin and known in North America as the third great Soviet defender behind Fetisov and Kasatonov. Babinov is basically an unknown to North Americans outside of 1981, it seems.

I'm very interesting in knowing more about Babinov.
I will write a bio once a friend of mine has translated some sources (if that ever happens, Jarek knows what I'm speaking of).

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07-13-2011, 01:31 PM
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Looks like Regina's going to be a defensive team... I'm just going to go ahead and take the best defensive forward in the draft, Jan Erixon, LW. 3rd, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th in Selke voting.

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07-13-2011, 01:34 PM
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I will write a bio once a friend of mine has translated some sources (if that ever happens, Jarek knows what I'm speaking of).
The Red Machine calls Babinov "mervelously mobile".

According to John Ferguson, Babinov's style was very close to Canadian style, and if he could bring one Soviet over to the NHL, it would have been Babinov.

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07-13-2011, 01:41 PM
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Looks like Regina's going to be a defensive team... I'm just going to go ahead and take the best defensive forward in the draft, Jan Erixon, LW. 3rd, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th in Selke voting.
Good pick.

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The Red Machine calls Babinov "mervelously mobile".

According to John Ferguson, Babinov's style was very close to Canadian style, and if he could bring one Soviet over to the NHL, it would have been Babinov.
He sure was a big impact on the russian roster and in the league. Very underrated.

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07-13-2011, 02:09 PM
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Good pick.
Yep, I think so, provided taking a 3rd liner before having a 1st or 2nd liner is "good"

TheJudge picks, via text message, Jack McDonald, LW. Seems he's been doing his research. He's still up for another pick.

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07-13-2011, 02:23 PM
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Looks like Regina's going to be a defensive team... I'm just going to go ahead and take the best defensive forward in the draft, Jan Erixon, LW. 3rd, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th in Selke voting.
I was hoping he'd last another round.

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TheJudge also selects Al Hamilton, D.

I'll pick soon.

I am so not happy with forwards available. I really need to readjust my expectations.

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I guess I am happy with HHOFer LW George Richardson since I was really pleased with what I was able to find on his offensive exploits as an amateur last draft.

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Montreal Bad Habits select the underrated Jason Spezza C


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Montreal Bad Habits select the underrated Jason Spezza C

He was high on our list good pick.

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I guess I am happy with HHOFer LW George Richardson since I was really pleased with what I was able to find on his offensive exploits as an amateur last draft.
Ooh...I generally think of Richardson as one of the collection of the early "died in the war" Hall of Famers. His career certainly didn't merit induction by itself.

The quality of his OHA competition at the time is certainly a concern.

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I guess I am happy with HHOFer LW George Richardson since I was really pleased with what I was able to find on his offensive exploits as an amateur last draft.
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Both good picks.

seventies' previous bio of Richardson really highlighted his offensive talent. Edit: Though lack of competition (if true) could bring Richardson's numbers back to earth. I always have trouble getting my head around the pre-WW1 split leagues.

I don't think vecens and I ever came to a consensus on who we wanted as a top center if McGimsie was selected, but Spezza was my personal second choice for top center after McGimsie. He doesn't bring anything but offense and is probably a negative without the puck, but he brings quite a bit of offense for this level.


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Ooh...I generally think of Richardson as one of the collection of the early "died in the war" Hall of Famers. His career certainly didn't merit induction by itself.

The quality of his OHA competition at the time is certainly a concern.
No doubt on both counts, and the second point definitely applies to both McGimsie and Breen too. Since you are not familiar with what I was talking about, here it is:

http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=2...9&postcount=79

There's more than enough circumstantial evidence there to suggest he can score at a very high level for an MLD 1st line winger.

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