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07-14-2011, 10:21 AM
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Do you guys consider Don Smith equally as proficcient at LW as at center? I can't find much aside from quotes saying he played both.
I believe he played a good deal at both positions. I'll check my records tonight and let you know.

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Personally, if you can find evidence that he was effective at different forward positions, that's good enough for me.... but, I think I have one of the more relaxed views on that topic.
I'm with you on that.

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I believe he played a good deal at both positions. I'll check my records tonight and let you know.
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His ability to play the point on the powerplay might be his biggest asset here.
Agree.

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Last week I became a buddhist.Sounds promising.
If someone put a gun to my head and said that I HAD to choose a religion, I would take that one. I'd prefer none, but Buddhism is cool.

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Do it in the Chat thread or I'm deleting them all.


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He has officially been skipped for a 4th time. If he hasn't picked by the time I get up in the morning, I think I should probably make his picks while there are still reasonably good players out there.

Anyone have a problem with that?
No, I don't. But the way he was talking before, I think he'll still be back and want to be part of it.

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I know there's a book on google books that has info for all the former Golden Seals players. Maybe there is something similar for the old Flames.
I can guarantee there isn't.

I could look in the scouting report books as they cover his the time frame of his career quite well.

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I believe jkrx and Reds have used up their allotted clock.

DaveG is pleased to add Herb Carnegie, C to his team.

mark/stoneberg are on the clock.
Wow, we're actually at the point where a guy who never got a chance in the NHL is arguably a decent pick.

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Detroit Red Wings selects:

Antonin Stavjana, D
who????

please sell me. Is this the next Anders Eldebrink, who slipped through everyone's radar before being taken in AAA2010, or something much less?

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The Pittsburgh Hornets select Bob Trapp, D



Bob Trapp, D

-5'10", 170 lbs: Much larger than average in the 1920s.

In 2 years in the NHL (after his WHL prime):


In the WHL/WCHL:

-2 x First Team All-Star (1923, 1926)
-Second Team All-Star (1922)

-Points among defensemen – 6th(1922), 4th(1923), 7th(1924), 4th(1925), 1st(1926)

Goals AD – 8th(1922), 8th(1923), 5th(1924), 8th(1925), 6th(1926)
Assists AD – 3rd(1922), 4th(1923), 4th(1924), 2nd(1925), 1st(1926)


Notice that he was a 1st Team All Star in 1923, while only finishing 6th in points and a 2nd Team in 1922, while only finishing 7th. He certainly wasn't getting on the All-Star teams for just his offense. That, plus the quote about his physical play in his 2 seasons in the NHL indicate that he was likely a physical, defensive force in his own zone.

This trade shows how highly regarded he was in the WHL:



seventieslord's analysis of Trapp's competition in the WHL:



Most of this info pulled from this bio: http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=2...&postcount=198
Very good pick (top-5 on my list of available D) but please take those undrafted players out.

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The Garnish Phantoms use their 4th round selection to select Dan Bouchard, goalie.



Some facts on Bouchard:

- 7 20 Win Seasons
- Between 1972-1973 and 1984-1985 2nd most wins of any NHL goalie
- Career record of 286-232-113

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I've notified the next pickers that they're up.
Wow, Bouchard keeps getting more and more respect around here. He's now up ahead of some of the "usual suspects" of perrennial MLD goalies, and as recently as draft 11, he fell right through the AAA.

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I hope ctrl + F hasn't failed me...

The Sleepwatchers will select D, Jim McKenny.

2, 4, 7, 13, 13, 14, 17 are his results in scoring amongst dmen. Wish I had more time to look but I'm hoping he was one of the better offensive dmen available. Not expecting much defensively from him.

EDIT: He played some wing so I'll have to look in to how much it boosted his stats.
1976 he was definitely a winger. Multiple files confirm this.

Since 1970 was a high water mark for his offense, I imagine there was some wing being played that year, too - enough that it invalidates his 2nd-place finish.

The other "points finishes" should be legit, though.

He was known for being bad defensively and took risks with the puck; however, he was also not really a "specialist", in that he got a ton of ice time for decent Leaf teams, he was often 2nd behind Salming.

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One little-known fact about Trapp is that he also played some left wing early in his career. He's similar to Coutu in that way, and I'd probably rate him ahead of Coutu, who was too violent for his own good.

Trapp was traded for Eddie Shore, but bear in mind that was a young Eddie Shore after only one year in pro hockey.

No disrespect to Trapp, who's a very good pick, just trying to add some context.
I would take him over Coutu as well. Coutu's greatness isn't really supported by anything, while Trapp has the multiple ASTs from the W(C)HL's strongest years.

never knew he played any wing. Which years? And apparently it wasn't enough to stop him from getting AS votes as a D-man.

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Hopefully, people don't have a problem with me jumping in to cover for tomservo here.....


Obviously, the Winnipeg Falcons need to start building an a productive 1st line. As always, I like to start with a playmaking center and a scorig winger:

Scott Gomez and Vincent Lukac
Sure, just clean out all the best first liners left...

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These guys are partly to meet era requirements early in the draft so I don't get stuck searching for players based solely on that later on, and partly to fill some roles.

The Brandon Shamrocks select Keith Crowder and Wally Hergesheimer, both RW.

Crowder's to go into the corners (his size will come in handy for a team likely to have a lot of smaller early-era forwards), and Hergesheimer's to go to the net. Fuller bios later when I have time.
Both good picks though.

Hergesheimer may have the best goalscoring peak of anyone remaining. Crowder's offense is pretty unimpressive but he's big and burly; he'll be elite as far as complementary scoring line wingers go. Definitely would take him over Vail.

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I would really prefer Mike O'Connell, but I always like to have a puck-moving defenseman, and it looks like this is the best guy left - Tom Bladon

Also, I'm feeling kind of lazy, so I'll take the easy way out and start our second line with a slow-footed, yet extremely effective center - Jason Allison
- Bladon just screams "specialist" to me. He never really outscored his Philadelphia blueline teammates at even strength, aside from one year, he just got all the PP time.

He ranked 5, 3, 4, 4, 2, 2 on the blueline in total TOI/GP but was 5, 5, 4, 3, 4, 5 in ES TOI so it doesn't really look like he was used as an even strength "puck mover" to me. "puck moving" and "putting up points" are sometimes linked, but often not. He was just a PP guy, IMO.

- Allison was almost certainly the best offensive center remaining, actually the best overall, since put up points is what you want a center to do. I can't believe all the top centers slipped by me, I thought at least one would get back to me.

So, now that they're all taken, can the GMs for Gomez, Allison and Spezza please engage in a bit of a throwdown? Who's the best? Who's the worst? Beats the hell out of me, honestly.


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Do you guys consider Don Smith equally as proficcient at LW as at center? I can't find much aside from quotes saying he played both.
I was the first to take him (AAA10, I scooped VI who had him pencilled in already - that final is still on hiatus) and then had him again in AAA11, a draft I won via an NHL 03 simulation of the final with Hedberg. I think there is good evidence that he played both positions. I would almost certainly use him as a winger (or any similar player) just because wingers are rarer and the draft will run out of quality wingers too fast if we don't put those dual guys on the wing.

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never knew he played any wing. Which years? And apparently it wasn't enough to stop him from getting AS votes as a D-man.
He was primarily a defenceman; I'll check my records when I'm checking for Smith. He played a bit of wing as I recall, but most years he was fully a blueliner.

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Hergesheimer may have the best goalscoring peak of anyone remaining. Crowder's offense is pretty unimpressive but he's big and burly; he'll be elite as far as complementary scoring line wingers go. Definitely would take him over Vail.
I went with Crowder for some decent offence, some good backchecking and very good physical play.

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who????

please sell me. Is this the next Anders Eldebrink, who slipped through everyone's radar before being taken in AAA2010, or something much less?
I think Red can get you a more detailed bio on him than I can but yes, this is another under the radar pick who is obviously not equal to Eldebrink.

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Damn , really wanted O'Connell , good pick

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No, I don't. But the way he was talking before, I think he'll still be back and want to be part of it.
If he does come back, the team belongs to him.

If he doesn't like what I've done, I suppose we can either delete my picks or just add a team?

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Sure, just clean out all the best first liners left...
That's exactly why I thought it was now or never for jumping in....

I would have taken Gomez with the 1st overall pick. Excellent passer, responsible two-way guys, and proven in the play-offs. I think a case can be made that he's the best set-up man in the draft. He's probably the worst goalscoring center ever, but I'll take him for what he's good at.

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- Bladon just screams "specialist" to me. He never really outscored his Philadelphia blueline teammates at even strength, aside from one year, he just got all the PP time.

He ranked 5, 3, 4, 4, 2, 2 on the blueline in total TOI/GP but was 5, 5, 4, 3, 4, 5 in ES TOI so it doesn't really look like he was used as an even strength "puck mover" to me. "puck moving" and "putting up points" are sometimes linked, but often not. He was just a PP guy, IMO.
You're probably right. He's defanately more of a PP guy. Losing O'Connell really threw me off.

I'm still happy with a right-handed cannon for my PP.

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- Allison was almost certainly the best offensive center remaining, actually the best overall, since put up points is what you want a center to do. I can't believe all the top centers slipped by me, I thought at least one would get back to me.
I almost didn't bother because I was sure he went in the main draft.... glad I double-checked.

He has his flaws, but you can't deny the production. His peak is among the most impressive in this draft. I think I'll need to insulate him pretty carefully though.

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So, now that they're all taken, can the GMs for Gomez, Allison and Spezza please engage in a bit of a throwdown? Who's the best? Who's the worst? Beats the hell out of me, honestly.
I view Gomez as the clear winner in that group.

Spezza and Allison are pretty close. Spezza's partial career looks a lot like Allison's short one. Allison definately has the better finishes.... but I'd have to look at the percentages.

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Since TdMM hasn't come in yet, we're taking Jack "Tex Evans, D, and one of the very few left who I believe have a top 5 Norris finish, along with 14 seasons played and a Stanley Cup in 1961 with the Blackhawks. His defensive defenseman ability will fit in perfectly with our two more offensive minded Defensemen.

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Garnish selects with its 5th round pick Ted Hampson, centre. Going to play Larouche on the wing.



Some facts about Hampson:

- 1-time NHL All star
- 6 Seasons of 30 or more Assists
- Good playmaker in the NHL and WHA

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Bobby Trapp played left wing when he started his career with Edmonton, in the Big 4 league. He played wing for his first season, then played both left wing and defence in his second season (still Big 4). After that he played defence only in the WCHL and NHL.

Don Smith didn't play quite as much LW as I recalled. His approximate breakdown of career games played by position:

PositionPct
Centre67%
Left Wing20%
Right Wing9%
Rover4%

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I view Gomez as the clear winner in that group.

Spezza and Allison are pretty close. Spezza's partial career looks a lot like Allison's short one. Allison definately has the better finishes.... but I'd have to look at the percentages.
I think Spezza is the best of bunch , but it is close.Gomez got a lot of points in the playoff but he also got a lot of games played , while Spezza maintained a point per game in the playoff for 46 games while always being the team number one center.

Another thing , while Gomez career had some great moment , he also has some horrible years which is not the case with Spezza.Gomez had a couple of good seasons but Spezza had better ppgs by far and has more talent than gomez in his little finger , which considering the weak comptition in this thing , will advantage Spezza.

Spezza played 8 years in the league ( more like 7 )
and his top finishes are:

Assist: 2 , 7
Points: 6

He also had great ppg top 10 like :

Assist per game: 2 , 6 , 6
Points per game: 4 , 5 , 6 ( with 2 over 1,30 which is enormous )

Spezza also led the playoff in points with 22 ( tie with heatley and alfredsson )

Gomez played 11 seasons in the NHL
Gomez top 10 finishes:

Assist: 1 , 8
Assist per game : 5

Spezza is also BY FAR the best goal scorer of the 2 , with 3 consecutive 30 goals season and six 20 goals season , with another of 19 goals.

Gomez's defensive game is also overrated , for all I care he's average defensively and if Spezza is lazy so is Gomez.Gomez is good at entering the zone but the rest of his intangibles are overglorified because he looked good in the New Jersey system.


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If he does come back, the team belongs to him.

If he doesn't like what I've done, I suppose we can either delete my picks or just add a team?
I don't even want to think about that, because whoever takes the added team is way too far behind. Too many good picks, not enough guys slipping through to salvage a team that's behind.

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Spezza and Allison are pretty close. Spezza's partial career looks a lot like Allison's short one. Allison definately has the better finishes.... but I'd have to look at the percentages.
Spezza's best: 87 76 73 66 63
Allison's best: 99 91 82 71 49

but then, it's not that open and shut because both were better per-game players than their percentages say. Here are those same 5 seasons, assuming they play 82 games:

Spezza: 94 93 88 66 66
Allison: 99 92 92 71 61

Spezza, in 2010 and 2011, was on pace for 77 and 71. Allison, in 2000 and 2003, was on pace for 66 and 85.

If you were to just throw them all together and then forgive them for games missed, these are their best 7 percentage scores:

Spezza: 94 93 88 77 71 66 66
Allison: 99 92 92 85 71 66 61

The biggest gap between any of those numbers, is the 8-point advantage Allison holds in 4th-best season, and that's not really much. As a per-game player, he appears to have a very minor advantage in points production. And I think, on average, he's had the worse linemates too.

They've played about the same number of games now, at about the same ages, so let's check some per-game figures:

Allison was on for 64% of his team's PPs, scored an adjusted 36 PPP per 82 games, and helped his teams to a PP record 14% better than average. Spezza was on for 70% of PPs, scored 35 adjusted PPP per season, and his teams' PPs were 8% better than average.

Neither player's PK results are relevant, but Allison was on for 15% for his team compared to 5% for Spezza.

Spezza has scored, on average, 65 adjusted ESP per season compared to Allison's 50.

Spezza has allowed 0.79 adjusted ESGA/GP compared to Allison's 0.75.

Both have improved their team's goal differential by 27% when on the ice. Spezza's team was even without him on the ice; though, which is more difficult to improve on, which is accounted for in overpass' adjusted +/- sheet, and Spezza's career figure is +112 compared to +84 for Allison.

Extremely close. In any case, Spezza will soon be a better all-time player than Allison.

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Extremely close. In any case, Spezza will soon be a better all-time player than Allison.
As I said, they are basically a wash.

What Spezza may do in the future is irrelevant.

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Since TdMM hasn't come in yet, we're taking Jack "Tex Evans, D, and one of the very few left who I believe have a top 5 Norris finish, along with 14 seasons played and a Stanley Cup in 1961 with the Blackhawks. His defensive defenseman ability will fit in perfectly with our two more offensive minded Defensemen.
Very good pick. I had just bumped him into my top-5 remaining d-men, and not just because other players were dropping like flies, I actually bumped him above some other guys.

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Garnish selects with its 5th round pick Ted Hampson, centre. Going to play Larouche on the wing. I'll add more later.
Wow, nice pick, very good player. He does so many things well. I am not sold on him as an ideal 1st liner here, and initially hoped to get him for a 3rd line before readjusting that expectation to 2nd line. But with such a strong goalscorer on his wing, he might be ok. Plus they are a perfectly complementary pair of players.

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What Spezza may do in the future is irrelevant.
100% agree. I'm just providing commentary.

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Bobby Trapp played left wing when he started his career with Edmonton, in the Big 4 league. He played wing for his first season, then played both left wing and defence in his second season (still Big 4). After that he played defence only in the WCHL and NHL.
ok, good. So the defense years that most significantly add to his resume are untainted.

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Cant help but laugh at Dreakmur's quotes on Gomez bio ''has Gretzky-like vision'' while Gomez has been a 2 trick pony for 11 years.

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[QUOTE=ReenMachine;35022321]Another thing , while Gomez career had some great moment , he also has some horrible years which is not the case with Spezza.Gomez had a couple of good seasons but Spezza had better ppgs by far and has more talent than gomez in his little finger , which considering the weak comptition in this thing , will advantage Spezza.[quote]

You are a little off on Gomez. Last year was his first bad season. From 2000 to 2010, he was consistently among the assist leaders.

PPG is't as important as the actual points they put. The fact that Gomez has been vey durable, and Spezza has been injury prone matters. Spezza will probably produce at a higher per game pace in this draft, but he'll also probably get injured.....

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Gomez's defensive game is also overrated , for all I care he's average defensively and if Spezza is lazy so is Gomez.Gomez is good at entering the zone but the rest of his intangibles are overglorified because he looked good in the New Jersey system.
I didn't say he was a perenial Selke winner. I said he was responsible.

Why is Gomez lazy just because Spezza is?

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Don Smith didn't play quite as much LW as I recalled. His approximate breakdown of career games played by position:

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Centre67%
Left Wing20%
Right Wing9%
Rover4%
Much obliged. Given those numbers I'm comfortable enough with his versatility to play him on LW. Will depend on the next few rounds though.

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Cant help but laugh at Dreakmur's quotes on Gomez bio ''has Gretzky-like vision'' while Gomez has been a 2 trick pony for 11 years.
I didn't say it. I just quoted somebody else who did.

Also, I see you found the bio I did on Gomez, so you can read that instead of just reapeating the same false opinions....

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I didn't say it. I just quoted somebody else who did.

Also, I see you found the bio I did on Gomez, so you can read that instead of just reapeating the same false opinions....
False opinion? what the hell are you talking about , I provided stats that in my opinion just shows Spezza is a superior player , that accomplished a little bit less but not enough to put him behind Gomez.I prefer 70 games of Spezza than 82 games of Gomez , how is that a ''false'' opinion?

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Wow, Bouchard keeps getting more and more respect around here. He's now up ahead of some of the "usual suspects" of perrennial MLD goalies, and as recently as draft 11, he fell right through the AAA.
Tell me about it. I drafted Bouchard in the AA10 Double-A draft (on a squad that also featured Normie Himes). I am glad to see Bouchard go in this MLD though I would've waited until at least a couple of other goalies went.

Here's the bio I did from AA10:

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Dan Bouchard, longstanding solid NHL goalie



- 286 NHL wins puts him NHL top-30 all time (more than any goalie who went in AAA10)
- 27 career shutouts, nine times top-10 in NHL shutouts
- Seven times top-10 in NHL wins:

1973-74 NHL 19 (9)
1977-78 NHL 25 (9)
1978-79 NHL 32 (1)
1979-80 NHL 23 (8)
1980-81 NHL 23 (6)
1981-82 NHL 27 (4)
1983-84 NHL 29 (2)

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The answer would be Dan Bouchard, a fiery goaltender out of Val d'Or, Quebec best remembered for playing with the Atlanta Flames and later the Quebec Nordiques. Interestingly Roy's first ever NHL shutout came with Bouchard playing at the other end of the ice.

Dan first caught NHL attention as a junior. In 1968-69 he captured the Jacques Plante trophy for lowest GAA while leading the QMJHL's Sorel Black Hawks to a Memorial Cup experience. He would switch to London of the Ontario League the following year before being drafted by the Boston Bruins drafted him 27th overall in 1970.

The next two years Bouchard spent apprenticing in the minor leagues. The Bruins were deep in nets with the likes of Gerry Cheevers and Eddie Johnstone, so they allowed Bouchard proper time to hone his craft. But Bouchard was in a hurry, and set the league on its head while leading the league in wins and shutouts and leading the Boston Braves to a regular season title in 1971-72.

Bouchard would never get a chance to play in Boston. The NHL expanded and in the summer of 1972 the Atlanta Flames were quick to select the hot goalie prospect in the 1972 NHL Expansion Draft. He would go on to become synonymous with Atlanta hockey, and one of their key players.

Bouchard very well may have been the most important player in the short history of the Atlanta Flames. With his effective butterfly stance he was able to post very respectable numbers during the regular season, including a league best 32 wins in 1978-79, but the team was never able to garner any post season success. That fact probably will forever separate Dan Bouchard from the other elite goalies of his era. He holds practically every significant goaltender record in Atlanta Flames history.
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These are the guys we just picked (Evans bio to be pasted to the bio thread with a picture, O'Connell bio will be fleshed out a bit more in the bio thread).

Mike O'Connell, D

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Defenceman Mike O'Connell was an excellent skater with a host of offensive gifts. He was key performer on the power play and helped his team's transition game without neglecting his defensive responsibilities.
-8th in Norris voting in 82-83
-selected to play in the 1984 All-Star game

-right handed shot for the powerplay
-Joe Pelletier compares him to Brian Rafalski

-11th in scoring among defensemen between 1980 and 1985 (which is more impressive when you consider it was probably the golden era of offensive defensemen).

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DEFENSEMAN Mike O'Connell, one of a handful of Black Hawks who had been playing solid two-way hockey, Thursday night was traded to Boston....
-Dec 18, 1980 (before O'Connell had emerged as anything of a star player)

Jack Evans, D

-1 of only 5 MLD-eligible defenseman with a top 5 finish in Norris voting, and his 752 career games (when seasons were 70 games long) are the most of any of the five.

- 80 points and 989 PIMs in 752 career NHL games makes it obvious what type of player he was.

- Durability: In the final 8 seasons of his career (1955-56 to 1962-63), Evans only missed 5 total games.

- 12th in Norris voting in 1960-61
- 5th in Norris voting in 1961-62

- Stanley Cup winner in 1961

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There have been few players with more raw strength than Jack "Tex" Evans, who split his NHL career between the Rangers (1948 through 1958) and Blackhawks (1958 through 1963). Tex was also renowned for his "latern jaw" and his reluctance to speak.
-Who's Who in Hockey (with Shirley Fischler)

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A member of the 61 Blackhawk cup team where he was on the second pairing with St. Laurent. Scored a key goal in the deciding game of the 61 final


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Some comments on recent picks:

Keith Crowder was the guy I wanted to start our second line with. One of the few true power forwards in the MLD, his offense is good enough to be the glue guy on a scoring line and his defense is good enough to be the physical presence on a third line. Not a star here, but a very good, useful player.

I wonder where you got that bio for Bob Trapp? Heh. He was definitely on my long list for defensive defensemen.

I thought Jason Allison was clearly the best offensive center left. Slightly better peak than Spezza - I think those two are incredibly similar. I think Spezza has done enough where I would have picked him slightly over Allison, but it is really close. IMO, Gomez is a distant third among the three offensively, but has better intangibles (or more accurately, less bad intangibles). I'd definitely rather Spezza or Allison to center my top line, but I think Gomez might be better suited to second line duty. Unlike Spezza and Allison, Gomez would make a solid 3rd PK option, so I guess he beats them in versatility.

Last night, my dream was a second line built around Allison and Crowder. Thanks for taking it away guys, heh.

We actually considered Lukac briefly when we picked Drozdetsky - Lukac certainly has Droz beaten in longevity. But Lukac's horrendous scoring record in international play scared us off.

Hampson was near the top of our list for two-way third line centers.


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