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07-14-2011, 02:14 PM
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All he had to say was that he wants to be Dale Hunter, and everyone would be applauding him.
So true.

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Yeah, as much as I hate Cooke, Hunter was at least as dirty.

Though Dale wasn't a turtler like Cooke is, but that isn't the aspect of the game Paquette was referring to.

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07-14-2011, 02:22 PM
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Yeah, as much as I hate Cooke, Hunter was at least as dirty.

Though Dale wasn't a turtler like Cooke is, but that isn't the aspect of the game Paquette was referring to.
That is my big issue with Cooke. You want to play like that, fine. Answer the bell no matter who is ringing it. You do that a few times and you have to deal with a heavy, you're going to straighten out a bit.

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07-14-2011, 02:25 PM
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hunter....cooke. there's a difference there that can't be minimized. hunter was a team captain and considered an outstanding one at that. he was a big game player in a hockey sense.

maybe i am remembering wrong but hunter would never head shot a guy the week after the gm meetings focused entirely on eliminating the head shot.

cooke is semin with elbows rather than hands.

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07-14-2011, 03:35 PM
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maybe i am remembering wrong but hunter would never head shot a guy the week after the gm meetings focused entirely on eliminating the head shot.
Well, if the GM meetings having happened a week ago are the reason someone isn't doing it, **** them hard. The way you presented that makes me like Cooke more, I think.

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At least Cooke injures guys while the puck is in play.

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Well, if the GM meetings having happened a week ago are the reason someone isn't doing it, **** them hard. The way you presented that makes me like Cooke more, I think.
save me from looking back. are you saying that you jumped up and cheered cooke for that suspension he took right after the gm's meetings where what he did was exactly what they were taking out of the game?

in short what i was saying about hunter was that he had great hockey sense. he would stir the pot to get an advantage. he would not stir the pot when it would stir the opposition against his team. cooke cant edit himself like that.

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07-14-2011, 04:49 PM
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save me from looking back. are you saying that you jumped up and cheered cooke for that suspension he took right after the gm's meetings where what he did was exactly what they were taking out of the game?
I was saying that abstaining from headshots simply because GMs are cracking down on them / so as not to break new rules is crap. The act is what it is. But the below portion clarified what you were really getting at, so never mind.

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in short what i was saying about hunter was that he had great hockey sense. he would stir the pot to get an advantage. he would not stir the pot when it would stir the opposition against his team. cooke cant edit himself like that.
Yeah, fair point. I do wonder whether Paquette is actually more Hunter or Cooke in that sense. I'm leaning more towards Cooke (with limited information) right now, unfortunately.

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thanks. i was trying to point out the difference as to why cooke is a loved but oft questioned member of the pens by his own teammates and hunter and universally loved player.

hunter killed turgeon as they lost a series. had that moment not been in an elimination game, hunter doesnt do it and thats about the best example of hunter breaking training.

i could be wrong, but dont recall hunter's opponents being afraid of hunter injuring them or ending their careers. many nhl players fear what cooke is capable of

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07-14-2011, 08:52 PM
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I'm one of those people on the Winnipeg forum that thinks the IF Fehr stays healthy he should be able to net 25 goals. Once healthy he'll be playing on the second line, with plently of PP time and will get a much longer leash then he had in Washington.

From the Jets perspective we're thrilled about the deal, we thought it was somewhat of a salary cap move to trade Fehr. Granted he was often in BB's doghouse (anyone know the reason?) but skill wise if he can play 70+ games a year he should be able to produce 25-30 goals.

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I'm one of those people on the Winnipeg forum that thinks the IF Fehr stays healthy he should be able to net 25 goals. Once healthy he'll be playing on the second line, with plently of PP time and will get a much longer leash then he had in Washington.

From the Jets perspective we're thrilled about the deal, we thought it was somewhat of a salary cap move to trade Fehr. Granted he was often in BB's doghouse (anyone know the reason?) but skill wise if he can play 70+ games a year he should be able to produce 25-30 goals.
We all generally wish him well. I hope he scores a lot, just not against the Caps.

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We all generally wish him well. I hope he scores a lot, just not against the Caps.
Unfortunately, Fehr seems like the kind of player who will score a ton against the team that traded him.

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This is the kind of stuff Pacquette does to get himself noticed. Start the video around 0:44 to see what I'm talking about.

Please God don't let this thug near Verizon Center. The theme for the team should be more grit not dirt.

By the way this was the first video I watched of him. It shouldn't be that easy to find someone relatively unknown trying to get in cheap shots.

I mean seriously, do we really want someone that takes pride in doing crap like this?


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07-15-2011, 08:30 AM
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I'm one of those people on the Winnipeg forum that thinks the IF Fehr stays healthy he should be able to net 25 goals. Once healthy he'll be playing on the second line, with plently of PP time and will get a much longer leash then he had in Washington.

From the Jets perspective we're thrilled about the deal, we thought it was somewhat of a salary cap move to trade Fehr. Granted he was often in BB's doghouse (anyone know the reason?) but skill wise if he can play 70+ games a year he should be able to produce 25-30 goals.
He will never play 70 games. Ever.

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This is the kind of stuff Pacquette does to get himself noticed. Start the video around 0:44 to see what I'm talking about.

Please God don't let this thug near Verizon Center. The theme for the team should be more grit not dirt.

By the way this was the first video I watched of him. It shouldn't be that easy to find someone relatively unknown trying to get in cheap shots.

I mean seriously, do we really want someone that takes pride in doing crap like this?

Give me a break...what was so egregious about what happened after :44?

Anyways....Paquette beat the snot out of whoever he fought yesterday....the vid is up on the RMNB blog.

Matt Cooke, while not a popular man to compare himself to is actually a decent hockey player when you look past all the suspensions. Having a guy who plays on the edge isn't always a bad thing. Pacquette is doing all he can to make an impression and he's doing it. I'm not mad at the kid due to how he's playing (scored a goal yesterday as well) or with the comparison he made. He'll turn himself into a player that can agitate and get others off their games. He's a guy I'll be keeping an eye on to see if he can crack this roster in a few seasons.

And kudos to whoever said Pacquette would be applauded if he compared himself to Hunter instead of Cooke. Because that WOULD be the case. A lot of hypocritical folks in here who hadn't heard of the kid up until 2 weeks ago and are now passing judgment in saying that they hope he never suits up for the Caps. C'mon now. He's one of ours. I'm pulling for the kid and hope he does well. Like I said before, he's making an impression. He's 20 and has a long way to go in his hockey career.

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The team needs less "Dirt" lol. I too found nothing wrong with :44. I suspect if he was a center, he would have compared himself to Hunter. I think comparisons by default are done by the same position. Green is Coffey, not Pierre LaRouche. If the caps had another effective winger agitator besides the former cap Cooke, maybe he chooses him instead. Who was the all time best caps winger agitator?

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Give me a break...what was so egregious about what happened after :44?

Anyways....Paquette beat the snot out of whoever he fought yesterday....the vid is up on the RMNB blog.

Matt Cooke, while not a popular man to compare himself to is actually a decent hockey player when you look past all the suspensions. Having a guy who plays on the edge isn't always a bad thing. Pacquette is doing all he can to make an impression and he's doing it. I'm not mad at the kid due to how he's playing (scored a goal yesterday as well) or with the comparison he made. He'll turn himself into a player that can agitate and get others off their games. He's a guy I'll be keeping an eye on to see if he can crack this roster in a few seasons.

And kudos to whoever said Pacquette would be applauded if he compared himself to Hunter instead of Cooke. Because that WOULD be the case. A lot of hypocritical folks in here who hadn't heard of the kid up until 2 weeks ago and are now passing judgment in saying that they hope he never suits up for the Caps. C'mon now. He's one of ours. I'm pulling for the kid and hope he does well. Like I said before, he's making an impression. He's 20 and has a long way to go in his hockey career.
But he didn't compare himself to Hunter, he compared himself Cooke, a comparison he decided to make crystal clear. As for whats wrong at 0:44. Well I think I remember a lot of people getting pissed off at Donald Brashear for his little cheap shot on his way to the Box. But I guess if you don't have a knockout punch it's okay to punch someone when they're not looking. You give me a break. Taking cheap shots is for the lowest of the low and I doubt Paquette's antics are going to help this team win the cup.

I don't care what color he wears. A ******* is still a *******. Rooting for him just because he's a Cap would make a lot of us hypocrites for criticizing Cooke.

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The team needs less "Dirt" lol. I too found nothing wrong with :44. I suspect if he was a center, he would have compared himself to Hunter. I think comparisons by default are done by the same position. Green is Coffey, not Pierre LaRouche. If the caps had another effective winger agitator besides the former cap Cooke, maybe he chooses him instead. Who was the all time best caps winger agitator?
The only one that people were legitimately afraid of. This guy.


He may have been more of an enforcer than agitator, but he racked up the penalty minutes for more than just fighting.

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But he didn't compare himself to Hunter, he compared himself Cooke, a comparison he decided to make crystal clear. As for whats wrong at 0:44. Well I think I remember a lot of people getting pissed off at Donald Brashear for his little cheap shot on his way to the Box. But I guess if you don't have a knockout punch it's okay to punch someone when they're not looking. You give me a break. Taking cheap shots is for the lowest of the low and I doubt Paquette's antics are going to help this team win the cup.

I don't care what color he wears. A ******* is still a *******. Rooting for him just because he's a Cap would make a lot of us hypocrites for criticizing Cooke.
Here's my suggestion. Go over to the Development Camp thread and watch the ACTUAL interview w. Paquette where he made the Cooke comment. It's clear as day that he was joking around and the media (whoever tweeted it) took what he said out of context.

FWIW, you say Paquette's antics won't help this team win a cup, yet Matt Cooke has a ring....hmmm....

Honestly, you made a baseless opinion of the kid. He's turning heads at the development camp w. his play and I hope he keeps it up.

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Here's my suggestion. Go over to the Development Camp thread and watch the ACTUAL interview w. Paquette where he made the Cooke comment. It's clear as day that he was joking around and the media (whoever tweeted it) took what he said out of context.

FWIW, you say Paquette's antics won't help this team win a cup, yet Matt Cooke has a ring....hmmm....

Honestly, you made a baseless opinion of the kid. He's turning heads at the development camp w. his play and I hope he keeps it up.
I'll be the first to appologize if I was wrong about him but so far I'm hearing about blind side hits and elbows in practice and I'm seeing him trying to get cheap shots in on guys when he's being escorted to the penalty box during games. Say what you want about fighting but punching someone when they're not looking is, well lets just say you wouldn't appreciate it if someone did it to you.

Doesn't matter if his comparison to Cooke was tounge in cheek. Unless the reports from camp are gross exaggerations his actions are speaking for themselves.

And I'm pretty sure the Pen's could have survived without Cooke's lone playoff goal in 24 games.

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Playing “dirty,” Paquette (6 foot, 210 pounds) single-handedly carried over the physical theme from Wednesday’s scrimmage into Thursday morning, delivering an elbow to Adam Mitchell on open ice in the first period of Team A’s 4-3 win over Team B. Paquette spent the next few minutes in the penalty box for a foul which has satisfied expectations four days into development camp.
I will never support someone that plays like this. I already feel like crap for laying off Jerome Mathis a few years ago when the Redskins signed him fresh off a domestic assault against his pregnant girlfriend. People tried to rationalize that one to and I eventually went with it. I don't plan on making the same mistake again just because the guy plays for my favorite team.

Here's the video, which I'm pretty sure is going to make the cheaters love him more.

Anyway I'm done on this subject. People already have made up their minds on where they stand.


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I'll be the first to appologize if I was wrong about him but so far I'm hearing about blind side hits and elbows in practice and I'm seeing him trying to get cheap shots in on guys when he's being escorted to the penalty box during games. Say what you want about fighting but punching someone when they're not looking is, well lets just say you wouldn't appreciate it if someone did it to you.

Doesn't matter if his comparison to Cooke was tounge in cheek. Unless the reports from camp are gross exaggerations his actions are speaking for themselves.

And I'm pretty sure the Pen's could have survived without Cooke's lone playoff goal in 24 games.



I will never support someone that plays like this. I already feel like crap for laying off Jerome Mathis a few years ago when the Redskins signed him fresh off a domestic assault against his pregnant girlfriend. People tried to rationalize that one to and I eventually went with it. I don't plan on making the same mistake again just because the guy plays for my favorite team.

Here's the video, which I'm pretty sure is going to make the cheaters love him more.

Anyway I'm done on this subject. People already have made up their minds on where they stand.
Lol. Playing a little dirty hockey is the same as domestic abuse? You're being a sensationalist, and by the way, I checked the footage of both of Paquette's biggest hits in Dev. Camp, and his "dirty" hit wasn't really that bad. You need to calm down a little where this kid is concerned.

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Are we really getting this worked up/excited about a player who probably tops out as a 12/13th forward if he's lucky? He's going to do a fine job being an AHL agitator for most of his career. We'll be lucky if he can be an effective Pinizzotto replacement.

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Our beloved team captain plays w. an edge and MANY of his hits have been deemed "dirty." Just saying....

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I saw Orlov throw a bit of an elbow down in the corner on Wednesday's scrimmage. The crowd oooh'd. No one cared and I am probably the only one that even bothered to mention it. I like players that get angry sometimes. I think they may be better competitors, referencing one Dale Hunter quote.

I think we all remember MJ showing some nastiness in a tourney.

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I saw Orlov throw a bit of an elbow down in the corner on Wednesday's scrimmage. The crowd oooh'd. No one cared and I am probably the only one that even bothered to mention it. I like players that get angry sometimes. I think they may be better competitors, referencing one Dale Hunter quote.

I think we all remember MJ showing some nastiness in a tourney.
agreed....also, IMO, this is more about his Matt Cooke comment than what he's actually doing on the ice. I mean, there has been judgment about his character, how he plays the game, amongst other things. Most people knew nothing of this kid up until last week...now CAPS FANS don't even want him on the team. Unbelievable. I want EVERYONE who is in the organization to do well. The Caps brass obviously saw something in him that they felt the need to have Paquette included in the Fehr deal. With the diligence that GMGM & Co. have shown this offseason, I'm willing to side with them as to why he was acquired in the first place.

Also, not to knock Dirtbag because he's certainly entitled to his opinion...but for all the reasons he listed as to why he doesn't like Paquette (dirty hits, elbows, cheap shotting guys going to the penalty box, etc), were some of the reasons why the Caps fan base fell in love with Dale Hunter. You need guys who play with an edge. It keep the opposition honest. I'm really pulling for the kid and hopefully some of the naysayers will change their opinion of him as he goes through the system. He's done NOTHING wrong.

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