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LW John Gaudreau - Boston College, HE (2011, 104th overall, Calgary)

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10-28-2013, 10:40 AM
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Nowhere near the skill of Johnny. He is likely a college player an not much else. People doubted Johnny too though I suppose.
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10-28-2013, 10:43 AM
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I don't exactly get what you are saying. Do you think he should be with the Flames right now?

He will finish his degree this year, and come to the Flames in the off-season. He will get a few games at the beginning of next year before heading down to the AHL for the year (IMO)

Flames draft McDavid in 2015, Roll a lineup of:

Sven - Monahan - Poirier
Gaudreau - Reinhart - Hudler
Glencross - McDavid - some UFA

Just my opinion.
Lol that's pretty optimistic.

As usual the Flames aren't a great team - but they don't look bad enough to contend for last overall.

Something could certainly change between now and the end of the season, but they look more like a 6-10 team than a bottom 5.

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10-28-2013, 11:22 AM
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I don't exactly get what you are saying. Do you think he should be with the Flames right now?

He will finish his degree this year, and come to the Flames in the off-season. He will get a few games at the beginning of next year before heading down to the AHL for the year (IMO)

Flames draft McDavid in 2015, Roll a lineup of:

Sven - Monahan - Poirier
Gaudreau - Reinhart - Hudler
Glencross - McDavid - some UFA

Just my opinion.
I don't think Gaudreau will be finishing his degree this year - this is only his third year of college. I do think he leaves after this season and gets a few games in with Calgary at the end of their season though.

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10-28-2013, 11:30 AM
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I don't think Gaudreau will be finishing his degree this year - this is only his third year of college. I do think he leaves after this season and gets a few games in with Calgary at the end of their season though.
I think you are correct about Gaudreau not finishing his 3rd year at BC .

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10-28-2013, 11:43 AM
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Is his brother any good?
Not as good as Johnny , but better then some of what coach York is playing !

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10-28-2013, 11:48 AM
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Gaudreau seems like a guy you probably shouldn't throw into the fire (NHL) as of yet. Let him develop his strength and his pro game in the AHL first and then move him along. He could be a fantastic player for them but they would be best not to rush him. Maybe a couple NHL games at the end of the season wouldn't hurt just to give him a taste and then spend the year in the AHL next year and see how that goes.

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10-28-2013, 11:56 AM
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I'm guessing Gaudreau is a very disappointed BC Eagle . You can tell by the way he is performing on that sheet of ice . Yesterday's game showed it in every fashion .He's a much better hockey player then that . I think he's not playing up to his potential because he stayed at BC to play with his younger brother Matty and Matty has only seen action in one period of the first game " with an assist " mind you . Time for Coach Hartley or Feaster to contact Gaudreau . Just my thought . I could be wrong .
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10-28-2013, 12:12 PM
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2+ seasons and the WJC mean nothing, a bad game against Minnesota shows what he really is.

Yeah you're right , he's worthless.

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10-28-2013, 12:15 PM
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What exactly are you trying to say ?
How do you make that connection that he isn't producing as much as he should (even though 8 points in 5 games looks pretty decent to me) and that it's related to his brother not playing?

Also, serious question, is his younger brother even on scholarship right now? I know stats aren't everything, but he only put up very modest numbers in the USHL last year.

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10-28-2013, 12:17 PM
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Yes I think he should be with the Flames right now .
I don't, he is best served playing less and bulking up more. He would be very hard-pressed to gain weight playing 82 games in the NHL. Not to mention i doubt he is physically ready for NHL top 6 minutes. Sven is a couple inches taller and almost 20 pounds heavier and he gets thrown around pretty easily. Gaudreau would get destroyed. Last thing we need is to harm his development.

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Lol that's pretty optimistic.

As usual the Flames aren't a great team - but they don't look bad enough to contend for last overall.

Something could certainly change between now and the end of the season, but they look more like a 6-10 team than a bottom 5.
I dont know, we are only 10 games into the season and the Flames are sitting in 17th overall. As the season wears on we will get worse and worse. Top 5 pick is almost a guarantee for us IMO.

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I don't think Gaudreau will be finishing his degree this year - this is only his third year of college. I do think he leaves after this season and gets a few games in with Calgary at the end of their season though.
You are correct, i apologize.

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Gaudreau seems like a guy you probably shouldn't throw into the fire (NHL) as of yet. Let him develop his strength and his pro game in the AHL first and then move him along. He could be a fantastic player for them but they would be best not to rush him. Maybe a couple NHL games at the end of the season wouldn't hurt just to give him a taste and then spend the year in the AHL next year and see how that goes.
This. IMO he is NHL bound in 2015-2016. He needs years to develop and gain weight.

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10-28-2013, 12:49 PM
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How do you make that connection that he isn't producing as much as he should (even though 8 points in 5 games looks pretty decent to me) and that it's related to his brother not playing?

Also, serious question, is his younger brother even on scholarship right now? I know stats aren't everything, but he only put up very modest numbers in the USHL last year.
Yes his brother is there on a scholarship .

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10-28-2013, 02:58 PM
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Not that it's any of my business, and I appreciate the insight, but it might not be in Johnny's best interest to go public with any issues he may have with Boston College. It's probably best to just keep that in house and let him handle it. That said, I'm rooting for the kid. One of the most exciting prospects I've seen, and he's really made us US hockey fans proud. Can't wait to see him play in the NHL.

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10-28-2013, 08:12 PM
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I don't, he is best served playing less and bulking up more. He would be very hard-pressed to gain weight playing 82 games in the NHL. Not to mention i doubt he is physically ready for NHL top 6 minutes. Sven is a couple inches taller and almost 20 pounds heavier and he gets thrown around pretty easily. Gaudreau would get destroyed. Last thing we need is to harm his development.

This. IMO he is NHL bound in 2015-2016. He needs years to develop and gain weight.
Don't be so sure. Gaudreau has always fought threw his size issues and has suceeded to be a star in every league since he was 9 years old. Griffin Reinhart called him a "ghost" for his ability to avoid hits, he's also extremely strong for his size on his skates and isn't pushed off the puck very easily.

Remember, he doesn't play against kids in junior, he plays against 21+ young strong players right now.

IMO once BC's season is finished he signs and gets a cup of coffee with the Flames this spring.

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10-29-2013, 09:23 AM
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Don't be so sure. Gaudreau has always fought threw his size issues and has suceeded to be a star in every league since he was 9 years old. Griffin Reinhart called him a "ghost" for his ability to avoid hits, he's also extremely strong for his size on his skates and isn't pushed off the puck very easily.

Remember, he doesn't play against kids in junior, he plays against 21+ young strong players right now.

IMO once BC's season is finished he signs and gets a cup of coffee with the Flames this spring.
This quote illustrates a very interesting point that I think a lot of people either don't realize or willfully choose to ignore. It's a point I've brought up before and I think it's completely relevant to Gaudreau's continued success at every level.

Yes Gaudreau is small. It can't be denied. And yeah compared to a player who is 6 feet or higher, he's not going to match up well strength wise. When you match him against a guy like Reinhart or the Chara's of the league, than he's definitely going to fail miserably strength wise. But that's on a pure strength to strength comparison in a vacuum. It doesn't really tell much about how Gaudreau plays on the ice. When Gaudreau's playing, he's nearly impossible to get hands on. Sure he'll get pushed around when he does, but the times he actually gets in a position where an opposing defender can push him around are very very small.

Reinhart is absolutely correct. Gaudreau IS like a ghost on the ice. He's shifty and just seems to slip away from hits and physical play. People seem to not realize that while he is small, that this means that he's a lot smaller of a target to hit and find. And it's not like he plays a game where he's fighting in corner's with players and jockeying for position in front of the net to find rebounds. His game is different. He's the guy that slips through seems in the open ice, always moving, mesmerizing you. And then when you think you have him, he's either somewhere else, or the puck is on the stick of a player who's been left all alone and left for a perfect scoring opportunity.

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10-29-2013, 09:41 AM
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Don't be so sure. Gaudreau has always fought threw his size issues and has suceeded to be a star in every league since he was 9 years old. Griffin Reinhart called him a "ghost" for his ability to avoid hits, he's also extremely strong for his size on his skates and isn't pushed off the puck very easily.

Remember, he doesn't play against kids in junior, he plays against 21+ young strong players right now.

IMO once BC's season is finished he signs and gets a cup of coffee with the Flames this spring.
Playing against big guys like Hanowski is good and all. But when he goes up against Keith or Weber on the boards, he is going to get drilled.

Sure he is crafty, but being 21ish and getting destroyed night in and night out by guys weighing 50+ pounds would grind on him pretty quick.

Look at how built MSL is, that is effectively what Gaudreau needs to do to be successful in the NHL.

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Johnny G is a ghost on ice because you never see him in high traffic areas

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Johnny G is a ghost on ice because you never see him in high traffic areas
Kinda like Kane?

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Kinda like Kane?
Reminds me of Fleury.

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Theo? Guy played an incredibly physical game though

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Playing against big guys like Hanowski is good and all. But when he goes up against Keith or Weber on the boards, he is going to get drilled.

Sure he is crafty, but being 21ish and getting destroyed night in and night out by guys weighing 50+ pounds would grind on him pretty quick.

Look at how built MSL is, that is effectively what Gaudreau needs to do to be successful in the NHL.
It's a pretty good thing he'll not often be doing that. I'm not sure why you think he would be...

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It's a pretty good thing he'll not often be doing that. I'm not sure why you think he would be...
Why wouldnt he? He is a top 6 player for us or bust, no need for 5'9" grinders and energy guys. He will be playing against teams top D men, its inevitable.

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Theo? Guy played an incredibly physical game though
But was very smart at getting out of the way for hits and knew when to use speed and his limited size to his advantage.

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Why wouldnt he? He is a top 6 player for us or bust, no need for 5'9" grinders and energy guys. He will be playing against teams top D men, its inevitable.
He's implying that Gaudreau is unlikely to engage in a lot of board battles against large elite defencemen, not that he won't be playing against them.

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He's implying that Gaudreau is unlikely to engage in a lot of board battles against large elite defencemen, not that he won't be playing against them.
I find that odd, yes he is a slippery player, but you cant avoid board battles in the NHL.

Teams like LA will just grind him out to shut him down.

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I find that odd, yes he is a slippery player, but you cant avoid board battles in the NHL.

Teams like LA will just grind him out to shut him down.
Well there's your issue, players with the skill level of Gaudreau have learned their whole playing career how to slip by the bigger, stronger players. He's shown that at every level so far , he can be a difference maker despite not being a player that spends a lot of time in high traffic areas. He knows when to be there and when it's inefficient. High skilled players have constantly shown that even in the NHL, they can still be just as slippery. It can happen, the question is can Gaudreau continue to be more skilled than his competition at the NHL level.

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