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07-11-2011, 10:40 AM
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I would maybe add someone to replace Halpern....That's it!

Let Blunden, Conboy, Trotter, Leblanc, Palushai, Schultz, Engqvist, Diaz (as F) scrap it out for the last F spot

Let Carle, Diaz, Webe, Yemelin scrap it out for the 2 D spots

We can always add depth later in the season or do a late signing if someone doesn't work out & the kids aren't up to the task.

Competition is important & it really helps to dangle a carrot.

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1- A fourth line RH C (faceoff/PK specialist) - Drury

Though, I still wonder why we let Halpern go for 800k. We lost two of our best PKers which will only force us to use Pleks even more.

2- A fast, two-way third line winger - Seems like it would have to be acquired via trade at this point (ex.Chimera).

That's about it. I have more confidence than most in our D, especially Emelin, and don't feel it needs an upgrade or more depth.

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I like the Madden or Drury & Hannan suggestions. Bring them both in on 1 year deals and they provide good veteran leadership and depth.

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Pacioretty-Gomez-Gionta
Desharnais-Eller-Kostitsyn
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Hannan-Subban
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07-11-2011, 10:51 AM
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Emelin's going straight back to the K if we end up using him as a 7th IMO.
I doubt that...if he's with the big club i don't see him going anywhere.

He has to expect that he will likely be in and out of the lineup a bit, particularly during the adjustment period.

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I wouldn't be surprised to hear that Emelin signed a contract similar to Streit's first contract in NA guaranteeing at least 30 games or so.
Also I can easily see Weber playing forward on many nights. Wich would leave room for a 7th defenseman.
I don't think the CBA lets you have things like that right in the contract. There may be some unwritten agreements, but IMHO a GM would be foolish to make promises like that. Have to run the team as a pure meritocracy. Emelin can't have any guarantees.
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I see more a Mara or Sopel type player in that role than a 3.5M Hannan. They might even be available after training camps when we have a better idea of what we have.
One might think that with the way the market is right now, Hannan would have some good offers on his table, and indeed a Mara/Sopel option might be more sensible. The bottom line is I'd rather see the team spend a few $$$ right now on somebody than have to deal away more draft picks for one in mid-season. I doubt training camp will be enough to show us that we definitively don't need somebody. If players subsequently step up, then maybe for a change we get to be the team dealing a spare away at the deadline.
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Emelin's going straight back to the K if we end up using him as a 7th IMO.
That's fine, IMHO. It's not really about how he's used. More about how he deserves to be used. He's coming in as a rookie with no experience, and he only deserves to play as much as his ability shows he deserves. If he's a flight risk therefore, then all the more reason to sign somebody else now.

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07-11-2011, 11:09 AM
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I don't think the CBA lets you have things like that right in the contract. There may be some unwritten agreements, but IMHO a GM would be foolish to make promises like that. Have to run the team as a pure meritocracy. Emelin can't have any guarantees.
One might think that with the way the market is right now, Hannan would have some good offers on his table, and indeed a Mara/Sopel option might be more sensible. The bottom line is I'd rather see the team spend a few $$$ right now on somebody than have to deal away more draft picks for one in mid-season. I doubt training camp will be enough to show us that we definitively don't need somebody. If players subsequently step up, then maybe for a change we get to be the team dealing a spare away at the deadline.

That's fine, IMHO. It's not really about how he's used. More about how he deserves to be used. He's coming in as a rookie with no experience, and he only deserves to play as much as his ability shows he deserves. If he's a flight risk therefore, then all the more reason to sign somebody else now.
If Yemelin goes back after the training camp because he is #7, then let him go. We don't need that kind of prima donna.

Mara or Sopel can still be re-signed, and I would give a good chance to Carle.

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Up front I think we are in better than good shape all around.

Cammalleri-Plekanec-Cole
Pacioretty-Gomez-Gionta
Desharnais-Eller-Kostitsyn
Moen-White-Darche-Blunden
(Schultz-Enqvist-Palushaj)

On the backend however, I think we desperately need a big physical top pairing defensive defenseman. That said, I think that player will not be acquired until the deadline where such types can usually be had for 2nd rounders and maybe a Weber if we get a good one. As of right now we have:

Markov-Gorges
Gill-Subban
Emelin-Spacek/Weber

Ideally we can move Spacek and have:

Markov-????
Gorges-Subban
Gill-Emelin

And obviously in net we are in great shape with Price and Budaj.

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If Yemelin goes back after the training camp because he is #7, then let him go. We don't need that kind of prima donna.

Mara or Sopel can still be re-signed, and I would give a good chance to Carle.
100% agree, Habs don't need another punk, agressive, hard hitting type of defensman.

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07-11-2011, 11:44 AM
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**Drury 1,5m/one year. With Eller injured we'll need a center with offensive skills.
**Bernier is a big body but lazy, we don't need. I prefer Winchester

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FORWARDS
Erik Cole ($4.500m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Mike Cammalleri ($6.000m)
Max Pacioretty ($1.625m) / Scott Gomez ($7.357m) / Brian Gionta ($5.000m)
David Desharnais ($0.850m) / Lars Eller ($1.270m) / Andrei Kostitsyn ($3.250m)
Brad Winchester ($1.200m) / Chrus Drury ($1.500m) / Travis Moen ($1.500m)
Mathieu Darche ($0.700m) / Ryan White (0.900m)

DEFENSEMEN
Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / Alexei Yemelin ($0.984m)
Josh Gorges ($2.500m) / P.K. Subban ($0.875m)
Hal Gill ($2.250m) / Yannick Weber ($0.850m)
Jaroslav Spacek ($3.833m) / Paul Mara (0,800m)

GOALTENDERS
Carey Price ($2.750m) / Peter Budaj ($1.150m)

BUYOUTS: Georges Laraque ($0.500m)


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(I'm pretty sure Engvist will start the year in MTL with the injury to Eller)

Palushaj - Trotter - Wilsie (May be the best AHL line, but I'd mix the rookies/vets more)
Blunden - Leblanc - Avstin (Bluden is a big body goalscorer would complement these guy a lot)
Conboy - Engvist - Dumont (energy line, checking line)
Fortier - Nattinen - Schultz
Ex : Masse, Bishop, Berger

ECHL : Lefevbre

Nash - Diaz
St.Denis - Carle
Henry - Stejskal (shutdown pair)
Petruic

Bulldogs will be really good this year!

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07-11-2011, 11:48 AM
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4th liner right handed faceoff specialist with grit....dunno who fit that description tho .

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That's fine, IMHO. It's not really about how he's used. More about how he deserves to be used. He's coming in as a rookie with no experience, and he only deserves to play as much as his ability shows he deserves. If he's a flight risk therefore, then all the more reason to sign somebody else now.
Bah, rookie in the NHL, yes. But at his age and with his experience, management has to treat him like a young vet. He's been playing in a high caliber pro league for a few years now, you have to take that into consideration.

I do think however that he will be able to land one of the 6 regular D spots this year, he brings much needed toughness along with his other skills.

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pass on Kovalev
Agreed. At this point in his career, Kovy is a PP specialist. and we have a surplus of PP capable forwards. The way I see things, Desharnais already occupies the role of bottom 6 at evens, PP specialist.

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Emelin's going straight back to the K if we end up using him as a 7th IMO.
Emelin (and I assume, all top defencemen) plays 50 games per year in the KHL. The 7D on most NHL teams plays at least 50 games per year. I'm guessing he can overcome any foolish pride that would drive him back to Russia because of his ranking among Habs D. Besides, if Emelin is going to be an important part of the team going forward, he should be playing well enough to steal a vet's job by the end of the season.

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07-11-2011, 11:58 AM
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Yah...agree with many that we need a 4th line center for faceoff / pk duty. Drury / Madden / etc..

Maybe 1 more depth dman

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Bring in Winchester and Hannan. Watch this team fly.

Cammalleri - Plekanec - Cole
Pacioretty - Gomez - Gionta
Desharnais - Eller - Kostitsyn
Moen - White - Winchester
Darche, Weber

Hannan - Subban
Markov - Emelin
Gill - Gorges
Spacek

Price
Budaj

Bring in a faceoff master at the trade deadline.

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I agree with the many who'd like to see a center added. To me, it's not so much about having a faceoff specialist. It's more about having an actual NHL'er start the season with Eller injured... and when Eller returns, to replace other likely injuries, or if all centers happen to be healthy, to push Desharnais to the wing to replace whoever is hurt or underperforming in that position. Basically, it's just about depth. If for a stretch of games, the bottom 2 centers are Desharnais and either Engqvist or White, the Habs are likely to be the second best team on the ice at the position for most of those games.

Somewhat on-topic, an interesting article about faceoff % and success on the PK: http://www.mc79hockey.com/?p=3670#more-3670

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This team is still missing a #4-5 D, and a capable #3-#4 center.

Hannan is really the only worthwhile D left, and the trade market is really the only option for the bottom C position so that remains to be seen.

Obviously everyone would like to see us replace Gomez but it's not happening. At least not this offseason so we're stuck watching his scrub ass drag our team down for a few more months.

Not many final moves that can be made, no matter how badly we need them.

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This team is still missing a #4-5 D, and a capable #3-#4 center.

Hannan is really the only worthwhile D left, and the trade market is really the only option for the bottom C position so that remains to be seen.
I think it is unanimous that a checking/PK center for the 4th line would not be luxury. Engqvist may be the internal solution. So many good alternatives were on the market, still Drury (if healthy) and Madden would suffice at the task. In recent years we had Halpern and Moore which we did not retain for obscure reasons. We have had this need of a 4th line center for ages now and although assessed at times we simply don't want a fixture at that position. Again, obscure...

As for an extra D, I think this is where we absolutly need better depth. Hamrlik was the internal solution until he signed with WAS. Now seeing that the caps preferred Hammer to Hannan, I wonder what is the real value of Hannan? Has he really slipt that much?

They are other solutions such as keeping Sopel. We haven't had enough on "Sopel on Ice" to really appreciate or not what he can bring. Again he could be a "nice" solution - albeit temporary since he too is aging.

Other solutions - younger and cheaper - are the likes of Shane O'Brien out of NAS and Steve Eminger out of NYR.

Eminger - for me - is interesting with 143 hits and 103 blocked shots.
O'Brien has similar stats 168 & 80 respectively.

Both are at least 6'2'' and 200+ pounds and play with grit and physicality.

I would say that they are both upgrades over Mara who - in turn - is the last resort solution while being the cheapest.

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4th liner right handed faceoff specialist with grit....dunno who fit that description tho .
Just play Engqvist....

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My plan would be getting physical defenceman who is natural on the right side - to balance for Subban and Weber. Maybe Eminger for couple years?

Then maybe veteran winger who has some size to complement and offensive skill to round out the 3rd line. Kovalev ship has already sailed, how about Dumont, one year at 1.5M?

Cammalleri Plekanec Cole
Pacioretty Gomez Gionta
Dumont Desharnais Kostitsyn
Moen White Darche
+Blunden (+Eller injury reserve)

Markov Subban
Spacek Gorges
Gill Weber
+Emelin +Eminger

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Bah, rookie in the NHL, yes. But at his age and with his experience, management has to treat him like a young vet. He's been playing in a high caliber pro league for a few years now, you have to take that into consideration.
I don't think that's really what you take into consideration. Alex Henry has been playing in a high caliber pro league for a few years now too. It's more a case of how well he's playing there, and how the pro scouting evaluation perspective projects his play into the NHL...
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I do think however that he will be able to land one of the 6 regular D spots this year, he brings much needed toughness along with his other skills.
... and I think basically all of us are lacking that pro scouting evaluation perspective. I don't think there are very many who have a) watched him at all in recent years, b) the pro scouting skills to say meaningfully one way or the other whether he can be a top-6 NHL defenseman or not. The KHL is full of guys who couldn't play in the NHL. Some of the best players in the KHL couldn't play in the NHL. So the criterion of the league he played in... and even his statistical performance or prominence on his team's depth chart over there... doesn't really mean very much by itself.

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Assuming we sign Gorges and White, I think we should round out our bottom 6 with some more offense.

I'd sign Kovy for 1 yr, to play RW on the 3rd line.
Then sign Bernier to make the 4th a real scoring line.

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Mike Cammalleri ($6.000m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Erik Cole ($4.500m)
Max Pacioretty ($1.625m) / Scott Gomez ($7.357m) / Brian Gionta ($5.000m)
Andrei Kostitsyn ($3.250m) / Lars Eller ($1.270m) / Alexei Kovalev ($2.000m)
Mathieu Darche ($0.700m) / David Desharnais ($0.850m) / Steve Bernier ($1.250m)
Travis Moen ($1.500m) / Ryan White ($0.750m)

DEFENSEMEN
Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / P.K. Subban ($0.875m)
Alexei Yemelin ($0.984m) / Josh Gorges ($2.200m)
Hal Gill ($2.250m) / Yannick Weber ($0.850m)
Jaroslav Spacek ($3.833m)

GOALTENDERS
Carey Price ($2.750m) / Peter Budaj ($1.150m)

BUYOUTS: Georges Laraque ($0.500m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,195,509; BONUSES: $1,400,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $2,104,491

What would you do?
At least Eller can't drown in a river...

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Michael Cammalleri - Tomas Plekanec - Erik Cole
Max Pacioretty - Scott Gomez - Brian Gionta
Andrei Kostitsyn - Lars Eller - David Desharnais
Mathieu Darche - Andreas Engqvist - Ryan White
Travis Moen

Andrei Markov - Yannick Weber
Josh Gorges - P.K. Subban
Hal Gill - Alexei Yemelin
Jaroslav Spacek - Brandon Nash

Carey Price
Peter Budaj

PP Unit 1
Andrei Kostitsyn - Michael Cammalleri - Erik Cole
PK Subban - Andrei Markov

PP Unit 2
Max Pacioretty - Tomas Plekanec - Brian Gionta
Yemelin/Gorges/Gomez - Yannick Weber

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You guys must stop with Spacek 7th D. You didn't learn anything from JM yet? If Spacek at 3.8M is healthy and still with the habs next season, he will play. And he will probably play a little less than 20 min per game.

Same thing with Gomez. Even if he keeps sucking big time, he'll play as much as he did last year.

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I don't think that's really what you take into consideration. Alex Henry has been playing in a high caliber pro league for a few years now too. It's more a case of how well he's playing there, and how the pro scouting evaluation perspective projects his play into the NHL...

... and I think basically all of us are lacking that pro scouting evaluation perspective. I don't think there are very many who have a) watched him at all in recent years, b) the pro scouting skills to say meaningfully one way or the other whether he can be a top-6 NHL defenseman or not. The KHL is full of guys who couldn't play in the NHL. Some of the best players in the KHL couldn't play in the NHL. So the criterion of the league he played in... and even his statistical performance or prominence on his team's depth chart over there... doesn't really mean very much by itself.
What I'm doing is relying on the Habs pro scouting. By signing him to the kind of deal they did (No AHL) , they must truly believe that he's NHL ready. More so, clearly, than they did with Diaz. So imo, it would be a complete failure in their scouting if he ends up going back to Russia this Fall. They didn't just sign him on a whim after all.

So i think that if they get another D-man this off-season, it will be a 7-8th d-man type, ala Alexandre Picard. Scott Hannan kind of makes no sense right now--though a player of his ilk makes perfect sense at the trade deadline, when maybe we have injuries or a guy like Yemelin has maybe severely underperformed.

They basically need two more players: depth D and either a 4th line winger or center. Every year we have trouble winning faceoffs and it always turns into a big discussion. If Chris Drury is somewhat healthy and willing to take a big paycut, then he could probably solve a lot of our problems. Drury is after all good at faceoffs, and can play wing. He's 35 but for a year, i'm not against it, but if his knee is too messed up, pass. John Madden's 51% is not bad, but not a huge improvement over Desharnais' 49.7%. Desharnais strikes me as the kind of guy that knows faceoffs are super important, and will spend the entire summer becoming better at taking them. If that's the case, then we don't really need another center. I would then look into a guy like Brad Winchester, a good fore-checker who has shown the ability in the past to put the puck in the net.

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