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07-12-2011, 12:02 PM
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If you're a team, are you going to give up a top-4 defenseman for Andrew Cogliano?


I'm not saying straight up for Cogliano someone will give a top 4d... but he could certainly be part of a package.

Quality for quantity trades DO happen.
Who knows that better than Oiler fans..

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Hemsky Horcoff Smyth
Hall RNH Eberle
Omark Gagner PRV
Eager Belanger Jones
Hordy/Brule
this is what I like...'cept Harti instead of Brule, Brule is done as an Oiler.

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this is what I like...'cept Harti instead of Brule, Brule is done as an Oiler.
For now I just put him there because Harty can pass through waivers and play top 6 minutes in OKC

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this is what I like...'cept Harti instead of Brule, Brule is done as an Oiler.
To be completely honest I'd rather have Brule taking the seat in the PB instead of Harti. If an injury happens then sure call Harti up. But no point in wasting him away in the PB.

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07-12-2011, 12:06 PM
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Gagner has to be next.

I'm sure he will be traded with a d prospect for a young d man.

Maybe Gagner to Nashville for Ryan Ellis/Jonathen Blum?

Our Centre depth is nice right now and should only get better when RNH, Lander, and Pitlick develop.

Horcoff
RNH
Belanger
Lander

These are going to be the opening night Centres. Mark my words.

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Steal for the Ducks. As I said on the main forums, one of my worst fears begins to materialize. Horcoffs forced presence for the next 4 years means we have to get rid of still young guys with big upsides to part of their games.

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Not too bad.

Good return, good spot for Cogs.

He should look good behind Getzlaf/Koivu.

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Gagner has to be next.

I'm sure he will be traded with a d prospect for a young d man.

Maybe Gagner to Nashville for Ryan Ellis/Jonathen Blum?

Our Centre depth is nice right now and should only get better when RNH, Lander, and Pitlick develop.

Horcoff
RNH
Belanger
Lander

These are going to be the opening night Centres. Mark my words.
And with Horcoff as our #1 center we are a lottery team once again. This is like ground hog day.

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This is what I'm thinking


Smyth-Horcoff-Hemsky
Hall-Gagner-Eberle
MPS-Belanger-Omark
Eager-Brule-Jones


RNH is in the WHL for the season.

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Gagner has to be next.

I'm sure he will be traded with a d prospect for a young d man.

Maybe Gagner to Nashville for Ryan Ellis/Jonathen Blum?

Our Centre depth is nice right now and should only get better when RNH, Lander, and Pitlick develop.

Horcoff
RNH
Belanger
Lander

These are going to be the opening night Centres. Mark my words.
I'm trying to make sense of your words let alone marking them. You say our center depth is "nice" yet you show two guys who haven't played a game in the NHL. Maybe our center prospect depth is nice but our NHL center depth is brutal.

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Ok-ish return.

Cogliano was never going to be a big part of a trade for a Top-4 D-man, as we would've had to add too much to him to make it worth it. Who has an extra top-4 D-man to trade straight after free agency? Especially one with Cogliano as part of the package? It wasn't going to happen.

We clear up the log jam.

I have my doubts were done trading wise though. I think the other shoe will drop to help out on the PK. I think this just gives us another trade chip to trade which isn't salary or contract based.

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This is what I'm thinking


Smyth-Horcoff-Hemsky
Hall-Gagner-Eberle
MPS-Belanger-Omark
Eager-Brule-Jones


RNH is in the WHL for the season.
Scratch off Brule and insert Lander and you are pretty close.

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Gagner has to be next.

I'm sure he will be traded with a d prospect for a young d man.

Maybe Gagner to Nashville for Ryan Ellis/Jonathen Blum?

Our Centre depth is nice right now and should only get better when RNH, Lander, and Pitlick develop.

Horcoff
RNH
Belanger
Lander

These are going to be the opening night Centres. Mark my words.
I hope not...2 rookies at center?? be prepared for many lost face-offs and lost games

1.Horcoff
2.RNH
3.Gagner
4.Belanger

Lander starts in OKC as their top-line center

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And with Horcoff as our #1 center we are a lottery team once again. This is like ground hog day.
The Oilers need help badly on the defence.Edmonton in the lottery can take Ryan Murray who is the future Scott Niedermayer.

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This is what I'm thinking


Smyth-Horcoff-Hemsky
Hall-Gagner-Eberle
MPS-Belanger-Omark
Eager-Brule-Jones


RNH is in the WHL for the season.
I can't see Brule playing an entire season due to his health/issues.

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07-12-2011, 12:10 PM
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Good luck Cogs. I was always hard on you but you are a stand up guy and I never questioned your heart and work ethic.

Against our puny centres I bet he'll do a bang up job each and every game we play against them for the next decade. lol

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07-12-2011, 12:11 PM
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We've had a lot of success in the 2nd round of recent drafts. A decent return.
Just to be an antagonist...

What success have we had with 2nd round picks?

We are POISED to have sucess with recent 2nd round picks. I admit I have rose colored glasses, with Marincin, Petry, Pitlick, Hamilton, Lander. They sure look good...way better then any other teams group of 2nd liners....but not one of them has played a game in the NHL and even with all my love of all things Oil, a little voice inside me reminds me on how we overhype every player we have.

That said, we had no room for Cogs..plain and simple. We are close to our contract limit, and we couldn't get a contracted player in return for him that would improve our team. So SOMETHING is better then nothing....

I may be easing on my Omark to the AHL stance now...Cogs was going to play wing for the Oilers, and there wasn't room for him and Linus and they werent going to waive Cogs.

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Steal for the Ducks. As I said on the main forums, one of my worst fears begins to materialize. Horcoffs forced presence for the next 4 years means we have to get rid of still young guys with big upsides to part of their games.
which part of Cogs game had "big upside"?...very little offence, couldn't win a draw and too small to be gritty

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Wish the kid nothing but the best in Anaheim. He had a good attitude here in Edmonton and tried to get better in practice. I wish things could have worked out because I liked him. Was just a numbers game at center.

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Gagner has to be next.
Gagner's value to the Oilers just went up considerably.

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I'm trying to make sense of your words let alone marking them. You say our center depth is "nice" yet you show two guys who haven't played a game in the NHL. Maybe our center prospect depth is nice but our NHL center depth is brutal.

Belanger signed-----Cogs traded = Win

RNH drafted --------- Fraser traded = Win

Our centre depth is already better than last year. By a country mile. You are blind if you don't see that.


Lander 1 year older

Pitlick 1 year older

double win for prospect depth.

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Gagner has to be next.

I'm sure he will be traded with a d prospect for a young d man.

Maybe Gagner to Nashville for Ryan Ellis/Jonathen Blum?

Our Centre depth is nice right now and should only get better when RNH, Lander, and Pitlick develop.

Horcoff
RNH
Belanger
Lander

These are going to be the opening night Centres. Mark my words.
If I had my way that would be my hope as well.

Smyth-Horcoff-Hemsky
Hall-RNH-Eberle
Omark-Lander-Paajarvi
Eager-Belanger-Jones

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Ok-ish return.

Cogliano was never going to be a big part of a trade for a Top-4 D-man, as we would've had to add too much to him to make it worth it. Who has an extra top-4 D-man to trade straight after free agency? Especially one with Cogliano as part of the package? It wasn't going to happen.

We clear up the log jam.

I have my doubts were done trading wise though. I think the other shoe will drop to help out on the PK. I think this just gives us another trade chip to trade which isn't salary or contract based.
I'm expecting the oilers to do a few more things too. Cogliano MAY have been a piece of a larger deal, but a fairly minor piece. The oilers have far more valuable assets than Cogliano if they're really serious about adding, say, a top-4 defenceman.

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I'm not saying straight up for Cogliano someone will give a top 4d... but he could certainly be part of a package.

Quality for quantity trades DO happen.
Who knows that better than Oiler fans..
You're right....now we can't do that Cogliano, Horcoff and Gilbert for Shea Weber deal.
Man thatn Tambo is a fool!

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I hope not...2 rookies at center?? be prepared for many lost face-offs and lost games

1.Horcoff
2.RNH
3.Gagner
4.Belanger

Lander starts in OKC as their top-line center
How is that any better?

Both RNH and Gagner will post sub 50 FO%'s. (and closer to 45%)

If anything I'd rather save RNH from this mess at C and let him work on his game at the WHL. Dominate and come in and claim a spot in a year.

Horcoff
Gagner
Belanger
Vande-Velde

Should have 3 C's who post around 50% on the FO dot, play gritty and decent in the two-way department.

Lander is in OKC, RNH in the WHL

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