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07-13-2011, 02:30 PM
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Agreed. But....Wasn't that your exact logic for campaigning Hedman over Tavares at 1 that year?
logic aside, i would take hedman over tavares every time, still to this day. i like tavares but his game is one dimensional and his skating is...well... not very great. hedman is IMO the better player, but for the isles' organizational needs, taking tavares made the most sense.

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I love Myers but would do it in a second (assuming the $ was the same).

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Agreed. But....Wasn't that your exact logic for campaigning Hedman over Tavares at 1 that year?
I didn't think Tavares was a center at the NHL level... i was wrong.

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logic aside, i would take hedman over tavares every time, still to this day. i like tavares but his game is one dimensional and his skating is...well... not very great. hedman is IMO the better player, but for the isles' organizational needs, taking tavares made the most sense.
I wouldn't have at the time. I'd take Hedman now, seeing as how he has blossomed and Tavares has yet to do so. But I wanted to bust Jame's balls there more than anything else.

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Yes, yes I would.

Stamoks has already won a rocket Richard. If Myers had already won a Norris, perhaps this would be a different conversation.

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Stamkos is far overrated on these boards. He is not a dynamic talent. Great shot but not a true franchise talent. No.

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Yes, yes I would.

Stamoks has already won a rocket Richard. If Myers had already won a Norris, perhaps this would be a different conversation.
this is basically all that needs to be said. most goals in the league his second season, second most in his third... you win games by scoring goals, you know.

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Stamkos is far overrated on these boards. He is not a dynamic talent. Great shot but not a true franchise talent. No.
saying stamkos is "not a dynamic talent" is truly mind boggling to me. he is the definition of dynamic talent...

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this is basically all that needs to be said. most goals in the league his second season, second most in his third... you win games by scoring goals, you know.
Yes. And we've seen teams win cups via strong goaltending an team defense without one stud dman. But a good goalie and/or defense won't help you avoid the 1-0 losses obviously.

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In a vacuum...absolutely.

On this team? Depends on what the moves are to get the team back under the cap. Myers being on an ELC for cheap changes things IMO. But our defense acquisitions does mean even without Myers we could have a decent defense--not an amazing one, but a good enough one.

If Stamkos means losing a sizeable piece of our offensive depth (not to mention cap space for Ennis), then his impact on the team may not be as positive as some may hope.

If however he can be fit under the cap without jeopardizing all that...then you pull the trigger. I don't have the patience right now to run cap simulations and figure out what it would take, but that is the chief concern.

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Stamkos is far overrated on these boards. He is not a dynamic talent. Great shot but not a true franchise talent. No.

Stamkos is the most "dynamic" player in the entire NHL
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In a vacuum...absolutely.

On this team? Depends on what the moves are to get the team back under the cap. Myers being on an ELC for cheap changes things IMO. But our defense acquisitions does mean even without Myers we could have a decent defense--not an amazing one, but a good enough one.

If Stamkos means losing a sizeable piece of our offensive depth (not to mention cap space for Ennis), then his impact on the team may not be as positive as some may hope.

If however he can be fit under the cap without jeopardizing all that...then you pull the trigger. I don't have the patience right now to run cap simulations and figure out what it would take, but that is the chief concern.
I was pretty much typing this response out word for word when I hit the wrong button on my computer and nuked the whole response

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Yes, and I'd do it twice if I had to.

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It would take Myers + Vanek + atleast 2 high value pick/prospect commodities to get a deal done. And I'd do it.

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Yes. And we've seen teams win cups via strong goaltending an team defense without one stud dman. But a good goalie and/or defense won't help you avoid the 1-0 losses obviously.
Only one team post-lockout has done that (Carolina). Two if you don't count Gonchar, but he was definitely a top-10 guy during those years, although not a Norris-contender elite player.

But I hate this "formula" for winning a Cup.

You can win with elite offensive talent, you can win with a balanced offensive attack.
You can win with elite defensive talent, you can win with balanced team defense.
You can win with elite goaltending, you can also win with average goaltending but strong offense/defense.

Looking at cup winners and saying "that's how you build a Cup winner" is counter-productive. No two cup-winning teams have been built alike.

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Stamkos is far overrated on these boards. He is not a dynamic talent. Great shot but not a true franchise talent. No.

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Stamkos is the most "dynamic" player in the entire NHL
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what are ticket prices like in tampa? same as buffalo? i would definitely pay to watch stamkos and st louis as often as possible even though i'm not a lightning fan.

i don't believe for a second that the sabres are after him but if they were to sign him to a massive offer sheet... there are worse guys to try to build a team around.

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i don't believe for a second that the sabres are after him but if they were to sign him to a massive offer sheet... there are worse guys to try to build a team around.
Unless they magically move a lot of money off the books, that's not happening. You have to have the cap room to sign someone to an offer sheet.

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i don't believe for a second that the sabres are after him but if they were to sign him to a massive offer sheet... there are worse guys to try to build a team around.
I've gotta believe Tampa instantly matches any offer sheet Stamkos signs, absolutely anything. The only way anyone gets him is in a ridiculous trade.

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what are ticket prices like in tampa? same as buffalo? i would definitely pay to watch stamkos and st louis as often as possible even though i'm not a lightning fan.

i don't believe for a second that the sabres are after him but if they were to sign him to a massive offer sheet... there are worse guys to try to build a team around.
you don't even want to know...
I'm locked in at last year's rates again for this season... and my playoff seats were the same price...

$8.47 a ticket/seat is what it breaks down to

Now that's for the last 5 rows, in the 300s, in the corners... but still.

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Yes and I wouldn't even let them finish the question.

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Put me on the yes side.

But would I be upset if they threatened an OS and worked out a major trade that sent key pieces like Vanek and/or Stafford and more the other way? No.

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I want to see what Stamkos can do without St Louis before I go and trade Myers away for him.

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