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07-13-2011, 04:26 PM
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I totally didn't... i was quick to jump, as usual
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Hahahaha forget about it, everyone has done it at least once, I try to save my wrath for Seanlinden

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07-13-2011, 04:30 PM
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I don't know about you guys but I don't see much Tampa Bay games. Those I have seen he hasn't blown me out of the water. He's got an excellent shot, probably one of the best in the league. But is he a great defensive talent? Does he set other guys up as well as he gets setup? Can he use his body and win battles along the boards? And yes I realize that there is maybe two players in the league that truly do it all (Crosby and Datsyuk imo).

He's a great offensive player on one of the most talented lines in the league but I don't think he has much more potential than where he's at now. If anything his stock is going to drop. Buy low, sell high. Don't undervalue Myers because the beginning of his year was poor.

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Yeah how many goals did he score the last 30 games? 5?!?

Crosby>>>Stamkos
How many did Crosby score in the last 30 regular season games?

Stamkos played a large portion of the 2nd half of the season with an undisclosed shoulder injury... and then re-injured it in the 1st round series with the Pens.

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07-13-2011, 04:37 PM
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I don't know about you guys but I don't see much Tampa Bay games. Those I have seen he hasn't blown me out of the water. He's got an excellent shot, probably one of the best in the league.But is he a great defensive talent?
at 21 yrs old? No... but not for a lack of effort or commitment, so that part of his game will come with time.

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Does he set other guys up as well as he gets setup?
Yes, he's a great playmaker.

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Can he use his body and win battles along the boards?
Yes, he's board work is quite good. His speed on the forecheck and strength on the boards are not flaws in his game.

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And yes I realize that there is maybe two players in the league that truly do it all (Crosby and Datsyuk imo).
So your criteria for saying he was "not dynamic" was that he didn't live up to the 2 players who you personally think "do it all"...

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He's a great offensive player on one of the most talented lines in the league but I don't think he has much more potential than where he's at now. If anything his stock is going to drop. Buy low, sell high. Don't undervalue Myers because the beginning of his year was poor.
So at 21 years old, when already hyped as the best player since Crosby even before he was drafted, and in his first 3 years having lived up to and surpassed the hype... now, his stock is going to drop.


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07-13-2011, 04:40 PM
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I'll take a stud franchise defenseman over a single elite goal scorer every day of the week.
So assuming they played in the same era, you'd rather have Myers than a Gretzky or a Lemieux, or even Crosby now?

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07-13-2011, 04:48 PM
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So assuming they played in the same era, you'd rather have Myers than a Gretzky or a Lemieux, or even Crosby now?
That's really a silly question. The game is much different today then it was then.

Back then, I'd have taken offense. Now, I feel that the game is more slanted towards defense, so I'd take the big defenseman.

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07-13-2011, 04:49 PM
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I'll raise you that question. Bobby Orr or Gretzky?


No one can tell what these players will amount to. Comparing Stamkos to Gretzky, Messier and Crosby is a terrible comparison. Nick Lidstrom was just as important in those cup wins as Yzerman.

You don't know how Myers will play in Tampa or how Stamkos will play here.... I'd bet he doesn't hit a 50 goal season in Buffalo.

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07-13-2011, 04:56 PM
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There is no doubt in my mind that a long term deal with Stamkos would have to be in place before you make any move to acquire him. People mention Myers' ELC as a reason not to trade him. You do know that expires in 1 year right? That advantage is good for a very little time.

St. Louis for sure is an amazing player that helps Stamkos maximize his play but I think St. Louis benefits from playing with Stamkos almost as much. Has St. Louis ever had a season without one of Lecavalier, Richards or Stamkos? Instead of looking at how good Stamkos would be without St. Louis, how about how good Vanek/Ennis/Stafford(etc...) would be with Stamkos.

Certainly we would have to deal more to get back under the cap, if it was only Myers for Stamkos, but moving those contracts woul gain us additional pieces as well.

Nobody that we currently have in the system is going to replace Myers, especially as a RHD, but we are loaded with D options and are set in goal. Our centers being Stamkos-Roy-Leino-Gaustad would be set and wings are plenty available both currently on the roster and throughout the NHL.

Gutting the team to add one player is difficult to consider but may be the best option. Giving up one potentially great player for a proven elite player of the same age and at a position of great need for the Sabres just seems like a no brainer to me. Just as many think Myers can get better, why can't Stamkos still get better?

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07-13-2011, 05:08 PM
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Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?

"I'm willing to give up a 40 goal scorer and a potential franchise defensemen for your 22 year old superstar center... but if you ask for 2 prospects as well.... NO DEAL!"

That's not ridiculous at all. If I'm going to throw in two excellent roster players, I'm going to have to make sure that I have the depth to fill in. The goal would be to get better now and in the future. Vanek plus Myers would make me think. If I need to add to prospects I hang up the phone.

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07-13-2011, 05:10 PM
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I love, love, love Myers. This kid is going to be something special for a long, long time. But straight up for Stamkos? In a heart beat. Stamkos is one of the top 3 forwards in the league. You'd be insane not to do that.

It's like asking if concussion aside LA would trade Doughty (ahead of Myers at this point) for Crosby (ahead of Stamkos)? Um, yes, yes they would.

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That's really a silly question. The game is much different today then it was then.

Back then, I'd have taken offense. Now, I feel that the game is more slanted towards defense, so I'd take the big defenseman.

I don't know if I agree to that. Here's the Cup winners for the past 10 years and their rank in the league for Goals Scored during the regular season:

2001 Colorado Avalanche (4)
2002 Detroit Red Wings (2)
2003 NJ Devils (14)
2004 TB Lightning (3)
2006 Carolina Hurricanes (3)
2007 Anaheim Ducks (8)
2008 Detroit Red Wings (3)
2009 Pittsburgh Penguins (6)
2010 Chicago Blackhawks (3)
2011 Boston Bruins (5)

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Nope, I'd want Myers over Stamkos....Like previous poster stated he is going to be something special....Think Chara but with way more skating and scoring ability hopefully....He's a rare breed....

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I know its simply fantasy talk, but I can't believe how people over rate Myers (or under rate Stamkos).

Stamkos for Vanek, Myers, Adam or whatever prospect they wanted, 1st round pick... and its still a no brainer.

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yes i would trade myers straight up for stamkos...especially with ehrhoff, regehr, and weber locked up. what we would lack in defense...we'd more than make up in offense. i don't think anyone could deny that.

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Yes, absolutely, positively, 100% yes.

Scoring from the defense is nice, but with a #1 like Stamkos, we could fill in with another stay-at-home type (usually more of them available for a better price), and still end up with a net gain in goals for vs goals against.

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07-13-2011, 05:28 PM
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Not a chance.

Shouldn't this be a poll?

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I hate to bring a tad bit of reality to this but why would Tampa target Myers? Or Vanek?

They're going to need a center coming back as part of a package. A NHL center not Luke Adam.

Not to mention why is Tampa going to do us a favor by taking Vanek's contract off our hands so we can sign Stamkos. Further ****ing up their cap suation.

Then next summer they can have the headache of trying to re-sign Myers and Hedman.

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As others have said, I'm stunned so many people would take myers over stamkos. Absolute no brainer to take stamkos here.

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Just read through the thread... gotta say I'm surprised how many folks wouldn't pull the trigger on that. Myers straight up for Stamkos strikes me as thievery.
Homerism is the only explanation I can think of.

I have to think a poll of non-Buffalo, non-Tampa fans would probably be 80%+ for Buffalo to do the deal. If Regier was able to pull off something like Myers + for Stamkos, with the + being something inconsequential like a pick or prospect... I might have to name my first born after him.

Seriously, that's an absolute steal for Buffalo.

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I hate to bring a tad bit of reality to this but why would Tampa target Myers? Or Vanek?

They're going to need a center coming back as part of a package. A NHL center not Luke Adam.

Not to mention why is Tampa going to do us a favor by taking Vanek's contract off our hands so we can sign Stamkos. Further ****ing up their cap suation.

Then next summer they can have the headache of trying to re-sign Myers and Hedman.
I guess it would seem to me that if they jettison Stamkos they'd be better off doing a quicker rebuild. Their goaltender is over 40, throw them Enroth. Vanek is the replacement for St. Louis once he retires. Adam is going based on center need. TB's back in the top 4 after 1-2 years. I'd say that's a decent start to a package, but then again what do I know.

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I'll raise you that question. Bobby Orr or Gretzky?
Not really fair to Orr here. Knee injuries derailed Orr's career and was forced to retire early.

Instead, how about Ray Bourque or Wayne Gretzky? I'd take Bourque.

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I love Myers (just look @ my name), but I would probably do this. With the logjam we have on defense currently, I think we would still be great on defense and upgrade in the area we need the most help.

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Would I? Oh hell yes.

Would Tampa? Oh hell no.

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