He has games on the 9th, 11th, 13th, 16th and 18th. So he should stop playing just to avoid an injury? non sense.
I see your point, an injury can happen in any game. But by playing the extra game, when he would have otherwise been legitimately excused to join his national team, he seems to convey that his club team takes precedence over his national team in his set of priorities. That's his choice, but Bragin will no doubt take that into consideration if he is in any way on the fence about selecting Grigorenko for the team. It is showing a willingness to qualify his commitment to devoting himself entirely to his national team. My impression has always been that Canadians consider it an honor to be chosen to Team Canada, and would likely disapprove of any signals that a player is not fully devoted to doing his part to help Canada win.
I see your point, an injury can happen in any game. But by playing the extra game, when he would have otherwise been legitimately excused to join his national team, he seems to convey that his club team takes precedence over his national team in his set of priorities. That's his choice, but Bragin will no doubt take that into consideration if he is in any way on the fence about selecting Grigorenko for the team. It is showing a willingness to qualify his commitment to devoting himself entirely to his national team. My impression has always been that Canadians consider it an honor to be chosen to Team Canada, and would likely disapprove of any signals that a player is not fully devoted to doing his part to help Canada win.
True about Canadians, unless it comes to NHL. NHL and Stanley Cup is first for most, above WJC, WC. Perhaps only Olympics is higher...
I see your point, an injury can happen in any game. But by playing the extra game, when he would have otherwise been legitimately excused to join his national team, he seems to convey that his club team takes precedence over his national team in his set of priorities. That's his choice, but Bragin will no doubt take that into consideration if he is in any way on the fence about selecting Grigorenko for the team. It is showing a willingness to qualify his commitment to devoting himself entirely to his national team. My impression has always been that Canadians consider it an honor to be chosen to Team Canada, and would likely disapprove of any signals that a player is not fully devoted to doing his part to help Canada win.
I would not be suprised if Grigorenko wont make a team. If I were Bragin, I would say him after late coming to camp "see you other time, bye". I know he is good, but beahviour is behaviour.. it is more than skills
I would not be suprised if Grigorenko wont make a team. If I were Bragin, I would say him after late coming to camp "see you other time, bye". I know he is good, but beahviour is behaviour.. it is more than skills
Seriously?
Would be a dumb move if you left one of your best possible players of the team because he was a day late for camp because he is loyal to his Junior team. This isn't bad behaviour, this is simply a player who wishes to play the extra game for his team and contribute rather than doing nothing.
Would be a dumb move if you left one of your best possible players of the team because he was a day late for camp because he is loyal to his Junior team. This isn't bad behaviour, this is simply a player who wishes to play the extra game for his team and contribute rather than doing nothing.
Would be a dumb move if you left one of your best possible players of the team because he was a day late for camp because he is loyal to his Junior team. This isn't bad behaviour, this is simply a player who wishes to play the extra game for his team and contribute rather than doing nothing.
you are looking from a NA perspective, where club and potential of the NHL draft position - is everything (the rest a master card can get you), we are here looking from a Russian perspective, where NT is everything, the rest master card gets you - a psycological difference, point of which you don't need to try to understand, but rather take it as a fact.
you are looking from a NA perspective, where club and potential of the NHL draft position - is everything (the rest a master card can get you), we are here looking from a Russian perspective, where NT is everything, the rest master card gets you - a psycological difference, point of which you don't needto try to understand, but rather take it as a fact.
Or perhaps he has formed a very strong bond with his team and simply feels its more productive to play the extra game? I mean, what does playing an extra game mean towards his draft status? Absolutely nothing. Dunno, i don't know what Grigorenko thinks.
But either way, surely it shouldn't stop him making the team. Can you afford to leave Grigorenko out?
If there is no agreement among him and Bragin, so Grigorenko IMO showed Team Russia is not important for him as much as club. Do you want in national team a guy who does not respect national team? I dont. Reminds me Kabanov´s style behaviour.
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Similar situation is here. I support desicion of Bruin coach
Or perhaps he has formed a very strong bond with his team and simply feels its more productive to play the extra game? I mean, what does playing an extra game mean towards his draft status? Absolutely nothing. Dunno, i don't know what Grigorenko thinks.
But either way, surely it shouldn't stop him making the team. Can you afford to leave Grigorenko out?
It looks like he in indeed formed a serious bound with his team being 1st overall in the league and at the top of the CHL. He knows that without him, they could lose many games and drop in the standings.
It looks like he in indeed formed a serious bound with his team being 1st overall in the league and at the top of the CHL. He knows that without him, they could lose many games and drop in the standings.
just like I have said - Russian perspective vs. NA perspective and we should agree to disagree. Russian teams let their players play for NT (even though the league is still going on) - NA teams praise some bond with teammates, that my jeopardize making the NT.
I know he is good, but beahviour is behaviour.. it is more than skills
I think it's about coaches behaviour in those situations. The coach is weak, if he has to create discipline by paranoia. I think Grigorenko did not do anything, that could be said discipline problem.
Or perhaps he has formed a very strong bond with his team and simply feels its more productive to play the extra game? I mean, what does playing an extra game mean towards his draft status? Absolutely nothing. Dunno, i don't know what Grigorenko thinks.
But either way, surely it shouldn't stop him making the team. Can you afford to leave Grigorenko out?
It is unlikely, at his age, that Grigorenko, even though he is an outstanding young talent, will make the difference between winning and losing. If the National team isn't his top priority, then he certainly will not make the difference between Russia and a lot of other talented teams that want to win badly. You have to be committed to excel at international play.
just like I have said - Russian perspective vs. NA perspective and we should agree to disagree. Russian teams let their players play for NT (even though the league is still going on) - NA teams praise some bond with teammates, that my jeopardize making the NT.
It isn't Quebec who's stopping Grigorenko from going... it doesn't have anything to do with the team. His teammate Louis Domingue left this morning for the Canadian camp. Grigorenko took this decision by himself.
Anyway, he's gonna miss what? one practice? No big deal.
It is unlikely, at his age, that Grigorenko, even though he is an outstanding young talent, will make the difference between winning and losing. If the National team isn't his top priority, then he certainly will not make the difference between Russia and a lot of other talented teams that want to win badly. You have to be committed to excel at international play.
I disagree. Grigorenko is already one of the best players in the QMJHL and showed in the Subway Series he was the best Forward on the ice for Russia along with Gusev. He might be young, but he's good enough to have a big impact. Of course that depends on him, as he is apparently prone to nights off according to various sources from the QMJHL, but outside of Kuznetsov and Yakupov, he's your best eligible player.
Obviously if Russia are going to win this event, they need good Goaltending and are going to need some epic performances from their top forwards. When you're this one dimensional, you can't really go around leaving a player of Grigorenko's calibre off the team.
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it is a big deal IMO like this
"Tyler Seguin did not play on Tuesday night after missing a team meeting and breakfast in Winnipeg."
as I said, I would cut him from preliminary roster for such behaviour
Hardly the same. Seguin has apparently done this multiple times, and it is likely that he was partying too hard the night before. Grigorenko is playing an extra game for his domestic club, not partying. The situations are very different.
Hardly the same. Seguin has apparently done this multiple times, and it is likely that he was partying too hard the night before. Grigorenko is playing an extra game for his domestic club, not partying. The situations are very different.
reason for missing meeting/camp is different but result it is the same and it is important for me. I say you, I would not be suprised if Grigorenko was not make a team. I prefer weaker team over having guys who prefer playing for club.
Or perhaps he has formed a very strong bond with his team and simply feels its more productive to play the extra game? I mean, what does playing an extra game mean towards his draft status? Absolutely nothing. Dunno, i don't know what Grigorenko thinks.
But either way, surely it shouldn't stop him making the team. Can you afford to leave Grigorenko out?
I think it's about coaches behaviour in those situations.The coach is weak, if he has to create discipline by paranoia.I think Grigorenko did not do anything, that could be said discipline problem.
It isn't Quebec who's stopping Grigorenko from going... it doesn't have anything to do with the team. His teammate Louis Domingue left this morning for the Canadian camp. Grigorenko took this decision by himself.
Anyway, he's gonna miss what? one practice? No big deal.
I do have. We have seen the same behaviour by many different national team coaches, not just talking about russians.
If team loses an important player just because there is something, that could be interpret as a weak commitment, but really isn't anything like that, it's just coaches weaknes in trying to create discipline and commitment for the team(doesn't have the tools to create discipline by other ways).
Psychology can be applied in team leading.
The competition for the C position is incredibly fierce this year. The difference maker will probably be attitude and commitment.
If Kartaev or Kulikov end up making the C instead of Grigorenko, I can't say it would be a loss. Especially with Kartaev- he's impressed me this season and is a solid 2-way player. Prokhorkin could also step in and contribute. No one is more important than the team. Not even Kuznetsov.
Having the right attitude in this team is EVERYTHING to Bragin. That is how last year was won. He's the one making decisions.
