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07-14-2011, 09:00 PM
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This deal made my pants move

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07-14-2011, 09:05 PM
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not a hateful deal. Would be nice for him to repeat last years performance, would make the deal even better.

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07-14-2011, 09:58 PM
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Capgeek confirms 3 years/$5.1M

$1.6M
$1.7M
$1.8M

http://www.capgeek.com/players/display.php?id=1020

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07-14-2011, 10:21 PM
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According to Brooksie: 1.7 mil over 3 years

Not bad. 1.7 mill over 3 years is OK. Just dont know about length, would've preferred 1 year deal and the if he proves he wasnt a flash in the pan you pay him this time next year.

Good deal though.

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07-14-2011, 10:23 PM
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It's a little hard to read through all the talk about his offensive production. He's our 4th line center, and a PK specialist who throws his body into shots and now people as well and he looks to improve in that area. Offensively anything more than 10-10 is gravy. Anything in the area of 7-7 is what we paid for IF he continues to do all the things outside of offense he did last year. He made an extra 2-400K per year on this deal b/c he scored 20 goals. If he had done that another season he'd have been getting close to 3 mil per so this deal definitely is not high based on 1 20 goal outlier...it's 1.75 mil because of his all around game and leadership. Although his offense slipped his all around game did not and that's all he was paid for.

Put it this way for the extra 200K they paid him a year solely for offense...200K a year for the potential to score 20 goals is an awesome gamble to take. It destroys Boogaard's contract (Just compare to Boog's contract sry Boog no offense is meant I'm just speaking from the standpoint of the contracts nothing bad is meant about the guys.)

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07-14-2011, 10:33 PM
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Not bad. 1.7 mill over 3 years is OK. Just dont know about length, would've preferred 1 year deal and the if he proves he wasnt a flash in the pan you pay him this time next year.

Good deal though.
Terrible idea. If we were to sign him to a one year and he "proved he wasn't a flash in the pan" that would mean that come July 1 2012 our 6'7" center who led the team in hits, was our best PKer and was coming off of back-to-back 20+ goal seasons was heading into UFA territory - where he would most assuredly command $3-4MM per year.

I can't believe how many people fail to see this deal for how good it is. The extra year for a small increase in AAV is excellent for the Rangers IMO. Look at it this way:

If he continues to progress, it's obviously a phenomenal deal. If he stays consistent, it's quite good. If he regresses a bit (10-15 goals, but otherwise plays a similar game), it's more than fair. If he regresses more substantially (7-10 goals, slips to the second PK - basically your average fourth liner on a mediocre team), it's STILL a manageable overpayment. It's only if he regresses to spare forward Patrick Rissmiller level that it really becomes bad - and in that case you bury him in the minors or trade him.


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07-14-2011, 10:39 PM
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07-14-2011, 10:45 PM
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Terrible idea. If we were to sign him to a one year and he "proved he wasn't a flash in the pan" that would mean that come July 1 2012 our 6'7" center who led the team in hits, was our best PKer and was coming off of back-to-back 20+ goal seasons was heading into UFA territory - where he would most assuredly command $3-4MM per year.

I can't believe how many people fail to see this deal for how good it is. The extra year for a small increase in AAV is excellent for the Rangers IMO. Look at it this way:

If he continues to progress, it's obviously a phenomenal deal. If he stays consistent, it's quite good. If he regresses a bit (10-15 goals, but otherwise plays a similar game), it's more than fair. If he regresses more substantially (7-10 goals, slips to the second PK - basically your average fourth liner on a mediocre team), it's STILL a manageable overpayment. It's only if he regresses to spare forward Patrick Rissmiller level that it really becomes bad - and in that case you bury him in the minors or trade him.
Fantastic analysis. And I wouldn't take odds on him turning into Rissmiller even if they were 30-1.

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07-14-2011, 11:06 PM
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Ughhh I was hoping for an ugly contract situation so we could trade him. His value won't ever be as hi as it is now.

Chances of him improving offensively from last year are 50/50 at best.

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07-14-2011, 11:11 PM
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I'll take it, like others have stated before...If he goes back to the old "Brian Boyle" then it's a contract that can be spendable. On the other hand, if he returns to last years "Brian Boyle" then job well done Slats!

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07-14-2011, 11:14 PM
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I think he is the most underrated Ranger right now. Everyone wants to talk about Callahan and Dubinsky and Stepan and thats fair. However, this guy does have untapped offensive potential and he is already great defensively and plays a physical game. I believe he will continue to score 20-25 goals a season!

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07-14-2011, 11:16 PM
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Good for Boyler.

The guy worked his guts out and saved a career that was headed for AHL obscurity. Good deal fro the Rangers too.

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07-14-2011, 11:17 PM
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Ughhh I was hoping for an ugly contract situation so we could trade him. His value won't ever be as hi as it is now.

Chances of him improving offensively from last year are 50/50 at best.
How do you know this?

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07-14-2011, 11:18 PM
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Your all crazy this is great...

At worst he is our 3rd or 4th line center who isnt scoring but plays good defense and as some size..

At best we have a 20+ goal scorer for Dirt Cheap.

Lets not overreact every time sather signs someone, players want to get paid.
I mean if Boyle is our 4th line center we overpaid by arguably a million dollars.

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07-14-2011, 11:19 PM
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especially with a $1.5m per forth liner per year in Rupp already, and Prust being an obvious guy to do whatever we can to keep around, despite him being eligible for UFA next season.

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07-14-2011, 11:28 PM
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I mean if Boyle is our 4th line center we overpaid by arguably a million dollars.
That point of view is skewed by the concept of "4th line". Boyle had the 5th highest Average TOI of any forward on the team during the regular season and 3rd highest during the playoffs. Obviously we'd like to see him down a few notches on that scale this year (assuming he centers Prust and Rupp), but that's still indicative of more than your "typical" fourth liner in terms of importance to the team.

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07-14-2011, 11:36 PM
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That point of view is skewed by the concept of "4th line". Boyle had the 5th highest Average TOI of any forward on the team during the regular season and 3rd highest during the playoffs. Obviously we'd like to see him down a few notches on that scale this year (assuming he centers Prust and Rupp), but that's still indicative of more than your "typical" fourth liner in terms of importance to the team.
And Boyle was arguably our 3rd line center for a majority of the year if not the entire year. I for one, don't one to see him "down a few notches".

My original post was not a knock on Boyle; I think he warrants a shot at more ice time and I would hope management feels the same and isn't just re-signing a guy they expect to play 8 to 12 minutes a game with most of those minutes coming on the PK...you can get guys that are good at these things for cheap. They're a dime a dozen, and I realize everyone here falls in love with them, but do you notice how little value guys like them hold? Where is Jed Ortmeyer right now? How did Blair Betts get his last contract?

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07-14-2011, 11:51 PM
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And Boyle was arguably our 3rd line center for a majority of the year if not the entire year. I for one, don't one to see him "down a few notches".

My original post was not a knock on Boyle; I think he warrants a shot at more ice time and I would hope management feels the same and isn't just re-signing a guy they expect to play 8 to 12 minutes a game with most of those minutes coming on the PK...you can get guys that are good at these things for cheap. They're a dime a dozen, and I realize everyone here falls in love with them, but do you notice how little value guys like them hold? Where is Jed Ortmeyer right now? How did Blair Betts get his last contract?
Understood, but my point was that there's a middle ground - I see the ideal role for Boyle as centering the fourth line, logging the most PK on the team, being double shifted when the team is up by a goal in the 3rd and perhaps even being tried in front on the 2nd PP unit. That's good for 14 or 15 minutes a game, but still technically makes him the "fourth line center".

Hey, if he forces his way onto a different line during even strength play, then great! But I think the scenario I outlined above is probably what management is thinking, at least to start the year.

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07-15-2011, 12:00 AM
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Understood, but my point was that there's a middle ground - I see the ideal role for Boyle as centering the fourth line, logging the most PK on the team, being double shifted when the team is up by a goal in the 3rd and perhaps even being tried in front on the 2nd PP unit. That's good for 14 or 15 minutes a game, but still technically makes him the "fourth line center".

Hey, if he forces his way onto a different line during even strength play, then great! But I think the scenario I outlined above is probably what management is thinking, at least to start the year.
I'm sure there are a lot of different scenarios that management can see unfolding...I think a lot of it has to do with how Avery plays, same goes for Fedotenko. Both of those guys could be literally on any line, but could also end up on the 4th line. If Boyle outplays them, I don't see why you don't shift Rupp to center on the 4th line between Avery/Feds and Prust.

It's a good "problem" to have that there are a lot of unknowns going into camp yet a lot of proven players there

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07-15-2011, 12:13 AM
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This deal is going to be an absolute steal in 2 years. How anyone can attribute Boyle's production dropoff late last season to anything other than fatigue is beyond me. The guy played more than double the minutes than he ever had in a season, and it showed later in the season, when Torts was riding him hard. Everyone gives Stepan a pass because he was making the jump from college, but was Boyle's increase in minutes really any less daunting? Boyle did have a bunch of fluke goals last year, but if he can avoid a repeat of the late season fatigue that he suffered this year, there's no reason to think he can't at least come close to last year's numbers.

Once again, this deal is going to be a steal.

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very good signing ...... he absolutely killed the Leafs last season

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This deal is going to be an absolute steal in 2 years. How anyone can attribute Boyle's production dropoff late last season to anything other than fatigue is beyond me. The guy played more than double the minutes than he ever had in a season, and it showed later in the season, when Torts was riding him hard. Everyone gives Stepan a pass because he was making the jump from college, but was Boyle's increase in minutes really any less daunting? Boyle did have a bunch of fluke goals last year, but if he can avoid a repeat of the late season fatigue that he suffered this year, there's no reason to think he can't at least come close to last year's numbers.

Once again, this deal is going to be a steal.
Last 23 games of the season Boyle had 1 goal and 2 assists over 82 games thats 4 goals and 7 assists.


over the same time frame Stepan had 4 goals and 5 assists...thats 14 goals and 18 assists over 82 games.

The difference between that projected total and what Stepan actually did last season was 13 points. Conversely the same difference for Boyle is 24 points. thats a huge difference.

Stepan slowed down, Boyle fell off the edge of the planet.

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How do you know this?
Never said I knew anything, i'm just stating I feel it's 50/50 that he improves on last year or repeats it.

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This is Fantastic news. Boyle will get a run with Gabby/Richards I think he'll make the most of it. a player who puts in the work to completely reshape his game is one who will most likely take advantage of any opportunity given him. he'll be the big LW taken up space and with his defense keep that line responsible in their own zone. playing with the big money guys I see 25-25 a real possiblity without actual improvement in his game (his early last season game) simply playing with players like our top two, richards serving him goals, and Gabby giving him the league lead in secondary assists

Everyone is taking his late season slump as a sign that his early form was a fluke. everyone seems to think best case is that he plays up to where he was early last year. but with everyone of our other young guys it is how much can he actually improve on his previous form. I'm not saying he will but maybe what were seeing is him turning into the 60+ point first round pick LA wanted him to be. i think that has a small but not insignificant chance of happening.

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i think we got a good value on this deal. We were all expecting $1.5M and for a 250k bump and buying 2 UFA years, if he develops his game, that is such an easy gamble to take. That's like if some raises you $1 in a $50 poker pot. The pot odds are in our favor any way you look at it! how can anyone be pissed over 250k and consider that overpayment? The upside is so worth it!

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