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View Poll Results: Vote for our #11 prospect
Derek Grant 0 0%
Marcus Sorensen 0 0%
Jim O'Brien 5 5.05%
Ben Blood 0 0%
Stephane Da Costa 61 61.62%
Mark Borowiecki 4 4.04%
Shane Prince 9 9.09%
Mike Hoffman 0 0%
Andre Petersson 15 15.15%
Kaspars Daugavins 2 2.02%
Eric Gryba 1 1.01%
Mark Stone 2 2.02%
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07-15-2011, 09:08 AM
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Sens Board Prospect Rankings (11th)

Your Top Ten!
1. David Rundblad D (61.50%)
2. Jared Cowen D (56.16%)
3. Robin Lehner G (71.52%)
4. Mika Zibanejad F (42.70%)
5. Nikita Filatov F (54.35%)
6. Jakob Silfverberg F (78.29%)
7. Bobby Butler F (49.15%)
8. Matthew Puempel F (35.82%)
9. Stefan Noesen F (52.54%)
10. Patrick Wiercioch (52.76%)

Patrick Wiercioch won #10, I added Ben Blood.

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07-15-2011, 09:12 AM
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07-15-2011, 09:13 AM
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Went with Da Costa, but Prince, Hoffman, Stone and Borowiecki are all in the same tier.

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07-15-2011, 09:20 AM
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Agree with the Dr. Interesting how some have fallen after this draft (ala Daugavins). If Petersson can stay healthy he could be ahead of Butler.

By the way, why no Greening, Condra or Smith but Butler is listed - did I miss an answer?

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Agree with the Dr. Interesting how some have fallen after this draft (ala Daugavins). If Petersson can stay healthy he could be ahead of Butler.

By the way, why no Greening, Condra or Smith but Butler is listed - did I miss an answer?
Doesn't make sense. That's why.

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07-15-2011, 09:45 AM
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Write in vote for Greening, I really love that kid. I'd also have him above Wiercioch personally, I just don't see the upside that others do. Tall =/= good defensively. It doesn't even necessarily imply strength, and if at 21 Wiercioch is still a toothpick, I question how big of a frame he really has.

Back to Greening though, what a toolbox that kid has, and an incredible work ethic to go along with it. He just needs to learn to trust his talents and have the confidence to be aggressive offensively. I see a little bit of Franzen in him.

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07-15-2011, 09:55 AM
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Write in vote for Greening, I really love that kid. I'd also have him above Wiercioch personally, I just don't see the upside that others do. Tall =/= good defensively. It doesn't even necessarily imply strength, and if at 21 Wiercioch is still a toothpick, I question how big of a frame he really has.

Back to Greening though, what a toolbox that kid has, and an incredible work ethic to go along with it. He just needs to learn to trust his talents and have the confidence to be aggressive offensively. I see a little bit of Franzen in him.
Greening would be higher btu he has graduated, I think.

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Add greening and condra as butler is included.

Add greening and condra as butler is included.

Add greening and condra as butler is included.

Add greening and condra as butler is included.

Add greening and condra as butler is included.


That should work.

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Greening would be higher btu he has graduated, I think.
How?

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/teams/ottawa_senators

They're there.

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/whatmakesaprospect/

They fit.

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Borowiecki. Would not be surprised to see him playing for Ottawa as soon as this year.

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Tough call. Went Daugavins over Borocop and JOB.

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Although I don't recall the HF rules of prospects - Butler should be excluded now with his one-way contract. He is a full-time professional now, hopefully in the NHL for years to come.

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And yes, add Pageau.

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A player will be considered a prospect until he meets the following criteria:

If a prospect is a skater (forward, defenseman) and has played in 65 NHL games or more before the completion of the season of his 24th birthday; or, if a goaltender has played in 45 NHL games before the completion of the season of his 24th birthday, that player will be considered graduated to the NHL. Conversely, if a player completes the season of his 24th birthday without passing those milestones, then that player will no longer be considered a prospect by Hockey’s Future, regardless of the player’s status with his NHL club.
An NCAA player who signs his first contract at or above the age of 22 has three years to meet the above criteria (65/45), while those NCAA players that turn pro under the age of 22 will be subjected to
the criteria above.
European players who sign their first NHL contract at or above the age of 22 have three seasons from the time they sign that contract to meet the above criteria. Those European players below the age of 22 that have signed a NHL contract will be subjected to the criteria in section one.
Section one is the meat of the criteria as it will govern the majority of players that vie for a NHL roster spot. Sections two and three are simply an acknowledgement that some prospects arrive on the scene a bit later than their peers, thus needing some time past their 24th birthday to develop into an NHL-caliber player.

The graduated list on team pages will consist of players who are considered graduated to the NHL. A skater prospect may sit on the graduated list until he has played 130 games in the NHL. A goalie prospect may sit on the graduated list until he has played 90 games in the NHL.

NOTE: These are general guidelines and should be followed the majority of the time but certain players may still be listed as prospects if circumstances warrant.

Therefore Butler IS a prospect. Condra (Too old), Greening (Too old), Smith (Too many games) are NOT. The one way contract doesn't matter as per HF.


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A player will be considered a prospect until he meets the following criteria:

If a prospect is a skater (forward, defenseman) and has played in 65 NHL games or more before the completion of the season of his 24th birthday; or, if a goaltender has played in 45 NHL games before the completion of the season of his 24th birthday, that player will be considered graduated to the NHL. Conversely, if a player completes the season of his 24th birthday without passing those milestones, then that player will no longer be considered a prospect by Hockey’s Future, regardless of the player’s status with his NHL club.
An NCAA player who signs his first contract at or above the age of 22 has three years to meet the above criteria (65/45), while those NCAA players that turn pro under the age of 22 will be subjected to
the criteria above.

Therefore Butler IS a prospect. Condra (Too old), Greening (Too old), Smith (Too many games) are NOT. The one way contract doesn't matter as per HF.
Wouldn't this bolded part be the one that governs Condra and Greening? Both signed their first contract after 22yo and haven't played three seasons yet. This would mean they are both still prospects since they have not played 65 NHL games or 3 pro seasons yet.

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A player will be considered a prospect until he meets the following criteria:

If a prospect is a skater (forward, defenseman) and has played in 65 NHL games or more before the completion of the season of his 24th birthday; or, if a goaltender has played in 45 NHL games before the completion of the season of his 24th birthday, that player will be considered graduated to the NHL. Conversely, if a player completes the season of his 24th birthday without passing those milestones, then that player will no longer be considered a prospect by Hockey’s Future, regardless of the player’s status with his NHL club.
An NCAA player who signs his first contract at or above the age of 22 has three years to meet the above criteria (65/45), while those NCAA players that turn pro under the age of 22 will be subjected to
the criteria above.
European players who sign their first NHL contract at or above the age of 22 have three seasons from the time they sign that contract to meet the above criteria. Those European players below the age of 22 that have signed a NHL contract will be subjected to the criteria in section one.
Section one is the meat of the criteria as it will govern the majority of players that vie for a NHL roster spot. Sections two and three are simply an acknowledgement that some prospects arrive on the scene a bit later than their peers, thus needing some time past their 24th birthday to develop into an NHL-caliber player.

The graduated list on team pages will consist of players who are considered graduated to the NHL. A skater prospect may sit on the graduated list until he has played 130 games in the NHL. A goalie prospect may sit on the graduated list until he has played 90 games in the NHL.

NOTE: These are general guidelines and should be followed the majority of the time but certain players may still be listed as prospects if circumstances warrant.

Therefore Butler IS a prospect. Condra (Too old), Greening (Too old), Smith (Too many games) are NOT. The one way contract doesn't matter as per HF.
I think u missed the NCAA rule.... on the next line.

well said hutz


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Wouldn't this bolded part be the one that governs Condra and Greening? Both signed their first contract after 22yo and haven't played three seasons yet. This would mean they are both still prospects since they have not played 65 NHL games or 3 pro seasons yet.
Condra and Greening were drafted by the Senators.

Edit: Now im not sure cause they did play NCAA, but wasnt a free agent signing.


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yes they were

Greening was at Cornell University

Condra was the with Notre Dame

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Condra and Greening weren't in the NCAA.
What?

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Condra and Greening weren't in the NCAA.
Sure they were

Greening - Cornell
Condra - Notre Dame

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Da Costa...again. He's just leaps and bounds ahead of the remaining prospects.

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Condra and Greening were drafted by the Senators.

Edit: Now im not sure cause they did play NCAA, but wasnt a free agent signing.
From what it says, i don't think it matters how the team acquired them. They wouldn't have signed their first contracts until after University since having a pro contract would have disqualified them from their respective NCAA teams.

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So you guys read it as Greening and Condra as prospects then?

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