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07-15-2011, 10:17 AM
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On an unrelated note, hey "PSpot"- are you the same PSpot from RealGM?

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On an unrelated note, hey "PSpot"- are you the same PSpot from RealGM?
yeah , I think i created that account first. Got into Raptors during the hockey lockout

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07-15-2011, 10:19 AM
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Have to throw in BizNasty IMO.

But seriously any of you with thoughts of Turris having a higher ceiling are losing it.

He's been less than ordinary, especially for a top 3 pick.

He's also had 3 full pro seasons compared to Kadri's one. And they're already at a similar ppg.

Turris' development has been ruined in Phoenix with him playing in the NHL then the AHL and then back. Kadri's development is right on track.
i dont think hes been ruined just yet .... this year he played mainly 4th line minutes with some 3rd line... when given a shot playing on top line he looked really dangerous out there


sure he has question marks, but kadri does too, im not saying take this deal and run IT IS LATERAL IMO but its up to burke and co to decide if there is even a shred of truth to this rumor
i havent written kadri off yet but i just dont like how incredibly easy he is to knock off the puck i know maturity and conditioning will help but im still not sold on pimpin' him yet, i think turris has just as good of a shot or better at becoming a better player

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07-15-2011, 10:22 AM
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yeah , I think i created that account first. Got into Raptors during the hockey lockout
Awesome- I've been a member there since 2001 (Kelso)....last few years have not been the same as a lot of the old-school posters have gone away.

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I don't think stumbling prospects hold a lot of value. Even if they play solid in 4 games against the Redwings. Look at what CLB got for Filatov. He hasn't even been given a chance to fail really yet.

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07-15-2011, 10:24 AM
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hense the reason why i wrote " i take everything i see on hockeybuzz with a grain of salt..."
No you don't, because you posted the rumour.

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07-15-2011, 10:27 AM
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I would think Kadri probably only gets moved for a proven commodity. although I don't think Burke is in love with him by any means.

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i dont think hes been ruined just yet .... this year he played mainly 4th line minutes with some 3rd line... when given a shot playing on top line he looked really dangerous out there


sure he has question marks, but kadri does too, im not saying take this deal and run IT IS LATERAL IMO but its up to burke and co to decide if there is even a shred of truth to this rumor
i havent written kadri off yet but i just dont like how incredibly easy he is to knock off the puck i know maturity and conditioning will help but im still not sold on pimpin' him yet, i think turris has just as good of a shot or better at becoming a better player
Have you seen Turris play?

He's very easily knocked off the puck, no strength whatsoever. And is listed at 185.

Turris was once viewed to have a higher ceiling, but at this point in time I find it hard to say that his potential is greater than kadri's by any stretch of the imagination. Kadri has had 1 pro season where he produced a PPG. At this point I dont even think that Turris has a greater chance to be a #1 C than Colborne.

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Kadri's value right now could be it's lowest ever, or its highest.

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07-15-2011, 10:28 AM
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Awesome- I've been a member there since 2001 (Kelso)....last few years have not been the same as a lot of the old-school posters have gone away.
Ha nice, yeah I haven't been active on there as much. Last couple of years have been tough. For as frustrating as things got reading Realgm just multiplied it with all the panic and *****ing.

I'm starting to like the team again and change in direction and will probably become more active again. I really like Davis, DD and Val as the start

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id make that deal... alot of people had turris written off as a bust (including myself) but he played really well late last season/ playoffs and looks like he's priming for a breakout year


turris' potential is higher than kadris but i cant see this rumor being legit, imo there value is real close
What makes Turris' potential higher than Kadri's? Kadri dominated the CHL and was a PPG player in the AHL, being developed slowly by the Leafs, while Turris dominated Junior A, had an average year in college and turned pro way too early. I'd take Turris for a 2nd rounder or something like that, but moving Kadri is a lateral move at best.

The last time Turris didn't look like rubbish or a question mark was 2006-07 at a level below major junior...

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who actually uses twitter for there hockey information, its all rubbish.

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this move would be so dumb....

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07-15-2011, 10:33 AM
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I'd have no qualms with Kadri getting dealt for a #1C but Turris ain't it and may never be. No thanks on this one.

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What makes Turris' potential higher than Kadri's? Kadri dominated the CHL and was a PPG player in the AHL, being developed slowly by the Leafs, while Turris dominated Junior A, had an average year in college and turned pro way too early. I'd take Turris for a 2nd rounder or something like that, but moving Kadri is a lateral move at best.
imo turris has much better shooting, better defensively, has better leadership qualities.

nazem has better vison, and an edge/pest to him but i dont know how effective that part of his game will be at the nhl level ... at this point bark louder than bite



ill say it again i think they have equal value... just a hunch but ive never been sold on kadri (this comming from a guy who watched him on the reg in kitchener and london) ... turris is no sure thing but i think hes being crapped on.... id like to see kadri moved in a package for an established top liner personally


put it this way i felt all warm and fuzzy when we drafted schenn, felt good about kulemin i dont get that vibe from nazem

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07-15-2011, 10:34 AM
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Kadri for me is one of the big wildcards this year for the Leafs. I am really interested to see if he can step it up and be a major contributor...or if he will carry his sense of entitlement to the end.

The Leafs have developed him this far. I want to see if they get rewarded for their patience before giving up on him for someone who may not be any better.

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07-15-2011, 10:39 AM
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realistically, this move is ? marks for ? marks... kadri is still young and turris is just finally starting to show what he potentially can do at the NHL level. Personally, I'd make the move if it were 1 for 1.

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07-15-2011, 10:48 AM
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07-15-2011, 10:53 AM
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Where the hell would turris fit into our lineup?

I doubt he's going to be put in the AHL.
I doubt he'll be playing bottom 6.
I doubt he'll usurp either Grabo or Connolly

Kadri being shifted to wing is infact the best thing for him and the team right now, it's where he'll get his best shot.

People seem to think C is where we are lacking depth, but IMO, with Kadri and Colbourne being listed as centres on our depth chart; the wings are are weakest point.

EDIT: By depth, i mean from a prospect POV.


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07-15-2011, 10:57 AM
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per Adam French on Hockeybuzz...

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Adam-...lose/155/37090

i take everything i see on hockeybuzz with a grain of salt, but its an interesting read.
It doesn't make a lot of sense. Turris stepped up in the Detroit/Phoenix serious and people are seeing him starting to play up to his potential. Phoenix's center problem is also a lot worse then ours and trading a center for a winger makes little sense.

For us too it makes little sense. For him to succeed we would want him in a top 6 role. Those are both taken by Connolly and Grabovski. It just doesn't make sense.

Maybe a deal for Grabo might make more sense but even then thats taken a step back for the Leafs. Going from a 30 goal scorer (or 29) back to a 10 goal guy will hurt us next year, if not long term if Turris doesn't step up.

This doesn't make much sense in my books. It's intriguing but effectively makes little sense,

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07-15-2011, 11:00 AM
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Where the hell would turris fit into our lineup?

I doubt he's going to be put in the AHL.
I doubt he'll be playing bottom 6.
I doubt he'll usurp either Grabo or Connolly

Kadri being shifted to wing is infact the best thing for him and the team right now, it's where he'll get his best shot.

People seem to think C is where we are lacking depth, but IMO, with Kadri and Colbourne being listed as centres on our depth chart; the wings are are weakest point.
Disagree with the wings being a weakness. Between Kulemin, Lupul, Kessel its pretty strong. MacA and Kadri could very well make it strong.

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Kyle Turris :yuck:

I'd rather keep Kadri

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Disagree with the wings being a weakness. Between Kulemin, Lupul, Kessel its pretty strong. MacA and Kadri could very well make it strong.
Should have put in my post: Talking strictly about the prospect pool.

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Give the kid a chance to prove himself with a full NHL season.

I'd be reluctant to trade him at all, and am totally against trading him for someone like Turris.

Let's take a patient route with our top prospect. For once.

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Should have put in my post: Talking strictly about the prospect pool.

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Even that isn't that weak. Fratting, Ross, Nicholls, McKegg, Biggs, Brenner (who was very solid on the Marlies), Mueller, D'Amigo and Caputi. It doesn't really have a standout player with top line elite potential but its deep to an extent and well balanced. You have your scorers, your grinders, your hybrids etc.

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