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07-15-2011, 07:50 PM
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Yeah, you're right. Kadri is a superior player to the Hart trophy winner or Ted Lindsay trophy winner who both played in the cup finals this year. What a load of complete dog crap with a side order of hot wet garbage. I'm sure you'll say things like "he's got better tools for a grinding role" or "he has more grit which is what you need on the 3rd line" but you'd be wrong.
Last time I ...well anyone in the world with a brain checked the either of the Sedin twins were hart trophy winners in their first couple seasons. Hell, it only took them 3 seasons ago for them to be franchise players ffs. They weren't **** in their first 4 seasons and they were purely offensive kids while Kadri is a better two way player(at his age than they were). Just because the Sedin's are phenomenal players now doesn't mean they were always that way.

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I think the undervaluing of Leafs prospects/players by non-Leafs fans on these boards is really starting to sink in the minds of most of you.

To think Turris is any kind of upgrade over Kadri is just ridiculous. He isn't the same player you fell in love with at the WJHC. He's two years older than Kadri and hasn't given us any reason the project him above Nazem.

Just because a bunch of ignorant, angry leafs haters say Kadri has no value doesn't make it so. The kid is going to be a good player very soon. We've seen the flashes of his insane skill, I can't believe people would be willing to give up on him for a guy like Kyle Turris.

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07-15-2011, 08:47 PM
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are people really ready to give up on kadri?

he was drafted 2 YEARS after Turris and is on about the same development level as him.

Turris was 3rd overall in a very weak draft.

He was drafted out of the BCJHL. Not trying to knock him, but Im happy with kadri.

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i definitely hope there is no truth to this.

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07-15-2011, 08:52 PM
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I am not really a big fan of Kadri, perhaps because of his unpolished overall game.

But no way does Turris guarantee us to be a roster player than Kadri.

We've already had 1 Tukkaa Rask, we don't need another in Kadri. Let our prospects develop, we'll be fine.

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07-15-2011, 09:06 PM
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are people really ready to give up on kadri?

he was drafted 2 YEARS after Turris and is on about the same development level as him.

Turris was 3rd overall in a very weak draft.

He was drafted out of the BCJHL. Not trying to knock him, but Im happy with kadri.
classic leaf fans with 'ooh shiny i want' mentality

if this happened they would be the same ones persecuting burke for making the trade a month after the season starts

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07-15-2011, 09:09 PM
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I am not really a big fan of Kadri, perhaps because of his unpolished overall game.

But no way does Turris guarantee us to be a roster player than Kadri.

We've already had 1 Tukkaa Rask, we don't need another in Kadri. Let our prospects develop, we'll be fine.
Turris played 11 minutes a game last season. Why would anyone even consider that the Leafs would want to give up on Kadri for that?

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I don't believe this rumor

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I like the idea of Bozak, Komi and a 2nd for Turris and a first. Whomever said that is thinking smart and i hope the Coyotes will be that stupid.

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lol well swallow another load bud because you have every right not to believe it. It is Eklund and co afterall. The biggest shills online. ****ing ********

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07-16-2011, 12:42 AM
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Turris is no Kadri.

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The only thing I hate about Kadri is his stupid stick tap like it's NHL 11 online when he's open. You'd think he'd realize he's in the NHL and even making any kind of noise signalling you're open will get your ass covered.

Aside from that selfish move, hm......intriguing offer, I think I might do it, considering from what I saw of Turris near the end of the season.

But yeah...pipe dreams. I just can't wait to see an ENTIRE year of Kadri and judge him on that.

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07-16-2011, 01:13 AM
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Terrible trade... Kadri has more potential! Period.

Phoenix would definitely have to add to it!

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07-16-2011, 01:23 AM
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LOL what.

Turris hasn't done anything to show he can be a top 6 C yet.

You guys need to get off your '07 crack pipes and realize that guys like:

Kane, Gagner, Voracek, Van Riemsdyk, Simmonds, Perron, and Benn are already established NHL players...

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Forgot Alzner, Couture, Sutter, Subban, Galiardi (kinda) and Gunnarsson

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07-16-2011, 11:28 AM
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This.

Turris is older, slower, softer and less skilled. Is this alleged trade supposed to be a charitable donation or something?
I'm not sure if I would want to do the deal from a Leafs fan point of view but isn't Turris only about one year older? I mean, is that really a huge factor when comparing the two?

Ommighossh he's so much older!! no way!!!111 1 yearzzz!!!11

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07-16-2011, 11:35 AM
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very interesting, turris has a higher ceiling and looked like a stud come playoff time.

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I have to repost this here on our board from my other post on the Kadri-Turris thread on the main board, it may surprise a few Leafs fans, and maybe open the eyes of the one's that have prematurely given up on Kadri.

The definitive measure of a player is how they produce in the playoffs, for comparison here are the 7 highest fwds drafted from the OHL since the draft year 2008, the majority of the players are already proven stars in the NHL, the stats don't lie, in particular the points per game average from their final OHL playoff year they played. Nazem Kadri had the highest PPG ratio of all of these picks by .41 points a game.

1. Nazem Kadri 12G 9g 18a 27p 2.25 PPG
2. Taylor Hall 19G 17g 18a 35p 1.84 PPG
3. Jeff Skinner 20G 20g 13a 33p 1.65 PPG
4. John Tavares14G 10g 11a 21p 1.50 PPG
5. Matt Duchene 21 14 12 26 1.24 PPG
6. Steve Stamkos 9G 11g 0a 11P 1.22 PPG
7. Tyler Seguin 9G 5g 5a 10p 1.11 PPG

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I have to repost this here on our board from my other post on the Kadri-Turris thread on the main board, it may surprise a few Leafs fans, and maybe open the eyes of the one's that have prematurely given up on Kadri.

The definitive measure of a player is how they produce in the playoffs, for comparison here are the 7 highest fwds drafted from the OHL since the draft year 2008, the majority of the players are already proven stars in the NHL, the stats don't lie, in particular the points per game average from their final OHL playoff year they played. Nazem Kadri had the highest PPG ratio of all of these picks by .41 points a game.

1. Nazem Kadri 12G 9g 18a 27p 2.25 PPG
2. Taylor Hall 19G 17g 18a 35p 1.84 PPG
3. Jeff Skinner 20G 20g 13a 33p 1.65 PPG
4. John Tavares14G 10g 11a 21p 1.50 PPG
5. Matt Duchene 21 14 12 26 1.24 PPG
6. Steve Stamkos 9G 11g 0a 11P 1.22 PPG
7. Tyler Seguin 9G 5g 5a 10p 1.11 PPG
Interesting, what i find off though, is in my mind, each one of these guys has a standout or elite quality to their game. I struggle to see that with Kadri sort of, but I will admit his vision and passing is quite incredible.

Not gunna write out each ones abilities, but im sure some of you will know what i mean.

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Interesting, what i find off though, is in my mind, each one of these guys has a standout or elite quality to their game. I struggle to see that with Kadri sort of, but I will admit his vision and passing is quite incredible.

Not gunna write out each ones abilities, but im sure some of you will know what i mean.
I know what you mean Stamshot, Kadri is a deceptive guy, if anything he reminds me of a poor man's Dougie Gilmour. Gilmour didn't have any 1 outstanding attribute but the sum of his parts made him a great player. If Kadri can learn to defend better, I think he can be a Poor man's Gilmour; it's not meant as an insult considering I think we all know there is only one Dougie.

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It will be a 3-way trade where Toronto gets Stamkos, TB gets players/prospects from both teams and Pho gets picks

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Interesting, what i find off though, is in my mind, each one of these guys has a standout or elite quality to their game. I struggle to see that with Kadri sort of, but I will admit his vision and passing is quite incredible.

Not gunna write out each ones abilities, but im sure some of you will know what i mean.
Well I think Kadri has good elite qualities, he just has a big inconsistency issue. When the playoffs come around this issue disappears, and thats where Kadri will be at his best.

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I think the undervaluing of Leafs prospects/players by non-Leafs fans on these boards is really starting to sink in the minds of most of you.

To think Turris is any kind of upgrade over Kadri is just ridiculous. He isn't the same player you fell in love with at the WJHC. He's two years older than Kadri and hasn't given us any reason the project him above Nazem.

Just because a bunch of ignorant, angry leafs haters say Kadri has no value doesn't make it so. The kid is going to be a good player very soon. We've seen the flashes of his insane skill, I can't believe people would be willing to give up on him for a guy like Kyle Turris.
I'd consider a top 5 protected 1st. rounder for him.

How about Bozak and a 2nd. for Turris?

Wouldn't Bozak, a center, make more sense than Kadri, a winger, for a team needing a center?

For a rebuilding team:

Kadri-Turris-Frattin

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I think the undervaluing of Leafs prospects/players by non-Leafs fans on these boards is really starting to sink in the minds of most of you.

To think Turris is any kind of upgrade over Kadri is just ridiculous. He isn't the same player you fell in love with at the WJHC. He's two years older than Kadri and hasn't given us any reason the project him above Nazem.

Just because a bunch of ignorant, angry leafs haters say Kadri has no value doesn't make it so. The kid is going to be a good player very soon. We've seen the flashes of his insane skill, I can't believe people would be willing to give up on him for a guy like Kyle Turris.
Great post - should be a sticky!

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I have to repost this here on our board from my other post on the Kadri-Turris thread on the main board, it may surprise a few Leafs fans, and maybe open the eyes of the one's that have prematurely given up on Kadri.

The definitive measure of a player is how they produce in the playoffs, for comparison here are the 7 highest fwds drafted from the OHL since the draft year 2008, the majority of the players are already proven stars in the NHL, the stats don't lie, in particular the points per game average from their final OHL playoff year they played. Nazem Kadri had the highest PPG ratio of all of these picks by .41 points a game.

1. Nazem Kadri 12G 9g 18a 27p 2.25 PPG
2. Taylor Hall 19G 17g 18a 35p 1.84 PPG
3. Jeff Skinner 20G 20g 13a 33p 1.65 PPG
4. John Tavares14G 10g 11a 21p 1.50 PPG
5. Matt Duchene 21 14 12 26 1.24 PPG
6. Steve Stamkos 9G 11g 0a 11P 1.22 PPG
7. Tyler Seguin 9G 5g 5a 10p 1.11 PPG
In the OHL, there you got your answer. Angelo Esposito was a beast in Junior...

I just don't see why you even compare those legit NHL players to a player like Kadri.

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Turris is not better in any way, both him and Kadri are AHLers at best right now.

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