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Now That He's in the HHOF Should Howe's #2 Be Retired

View Poll Results: Should the #2 Be Retired in 2011-12 by the Flyers to Honor Mark Howe?
Yes 35 70.00%
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06-28-2011, 02:21 PM
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Now That He's in the HHOF Should Howe's #2 Be Retired

Since being a member of the HHOF has been an unwritten rule for Flyers Number retirement... Simple question:

Should Mark's #2 be hoisted to the rafter in the 2011-12 Season.

... Please keep in mind that another unwritten rule is being on a Flyers Stanley Cup winning team.


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Fitting given that he wore 2

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Yes, I believe Hall of Famers should be honored with their number retired.

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Nope. The only retired numbers the Flyers should have are Clarke's and Bernie's. I realize there are other retired jerseys for the club, but I'm of the opinion that the only players whose numbers should be retired are those whose names are synonymous with the franchise.

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Should Mark's #3 be hoisted to the rafter in the 2011-12 Season.
Definitely


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06-28-2011, 02:26 PM
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Fitting given that he wore 2
That what I thought but first checked the Flyers website for 1985 to be sure and he had #3... so I assumed I was incorrect.

I'll check other years and adjust if the case.

Sorry


WTF... I've seen #2, #3, 4, & #10 of the webisite for various years so far. ???????????


As I said I always thought it was #2 also.

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no way, but they should retire number 2!

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only if we retire shelleys first

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Nope. The only retired numbers the Flyers should have are Clarke's and Bernie's. I realize there are other retired jerseys for the club, but I'm of the opinion that the only players whose numbers should be retired are those whose names are synonymous with the franchise.
if clark and bernie were the 70's then Howe was the 80's.

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06-28-2011, 02:33 PM
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It's something to consider, but it's Howe's total career that got him in. He was really terrific as a left winger in the WHA. I had seen him with Houston, a speedy skill offensive player and couldn't believe when I moved to Philly he had converted to D and was still playing at an All-Star level. The Hall is long overdue, but I'm not one for retiring numbers very often.

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It's something to consider, but it's Howe's total career that got him in. He was really terrific as a left winger in the WHA. I had seen him with Houston, a speedy skill offensive player and couldn't believe when I moved to Philly he had converted to D and was still playing at an All-Star level. The Hall is long overdue, but I'm not one for retiring numbers very often.
Its funny, there was a thread on the main board about what forwards could play Norris Caliber D if any, and I stated Howe more than once as someone who actually did and no one took any notice to it.

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I'm not a big fan of retiring numbers anyway.

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if clark and bernie were the 70's then Howe was the 80's.
When you think Flyers, you think Bernie and Clarke. That's about it, at least for me.

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When you think Flyers, you think Bernie and Clarke. That's about it, at least for me.
Yeah, and Lindros. Not saying his number should be retired though, but his name is probably the first that comes to mind.

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When you think Flyers, you think Bernie and Clarke. That's about it, at least for me.
BSB were before my time, I caught on in the mid 80's and I think anyone who watched the 87 finals holds a special place in their heart for that team.

When i think Flyers , i seriously think of that 87 team, poulin, howe, hexy, propp, tocchet. But to me howe was my favorite.

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No, I don't think they should retire another number until they win another Stanley Cup.

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It's something to consider, but it's Howe's total career that got him in. He was really terrific as a left winger in the WHA. I had seen him with Houston, a speedy skill offensive player and couldn't believe when I moved to Philly he had converted to D and was still playing at an All-Star level. The Hall is long overdue, but I'm not one for retiring numbers very often.
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Its funny, there was a thread on the main board about what forwards could play Norris Caliber D if any, and I stated Howe more than once as someone who actually did and no one took any notice to it.
Not many fans realize that Howe accomplished this. Truly one of the most overlooked players ever to play the game. Glad he's finally gotten the recognition he deserves.

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I'll admit I was completely wrong about Howe.

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Not many fans realize that Howe accomplished this. Truly one of the most overlooked players ever to play the game. Glad he's finally gotten the recognition he deserves.
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Its funny, there was a thread on the main board about what forwards could play Norris Caliber D if any, and I stated Howe more than once as someone who actually did and no one took any notice to it.
The WHA was a really good league. The top teams there wouldn't have challenged for cups, but they would have made the playoffs in the NHL. Howe was unique in that he had so many fine years there. Lots of HOFers finished up there after doing enough in the NHL to make it and lots of HOFers started there as kids.

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As someone whose very first jersey was an orange Howe 2, I'm all in favor of retiring his number. That 87 team was special and hooked me for life, and I think that the best player from that team deserves to get his number retired now that he's officially a HHOFer.

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Yes, I believe Hall of Famers should be honored with their number retired.
I agree with this, but it brings to mind an interesting dilemma: Say Lindros makes it in. He's definitely got a shot at some point, though he may have to wait longer than Howe did. Do the Flyers retire 88?

By then, Snider and Clarke may well be in that luxury box in the sky.

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I agree with this, but it brings to mind an interesting dilemma: Say Lindros makes it in. He's definitely got a shot at some point, though he may have to wait longer than Howe did. Do the Flyers retire 88?

By then, Snider and Clarke may well be in that luxury box in the sky.
It must be remembered that IIRC there is nothing stipulated that a number retired by the Flyers has to be either in The HHoF nor has to have won The Cup with the Flyers... and certainly not both... So, the Flyers retiring #2 and acknowledging his induction does not set a precedent and no permanent guideline... If Lindros were to be enshrined people could refer to Howe in an argument, but cannot expect #88 to be hoisted to the WFC rafters merely because of it.

IMO Mark Howe should have his number retired based purely on his tenure with the Flyers and the fact that the World of Hockey has recognized what we who have watched him have known for decades now.

Let each Flyers player sand on their own merits... as I see it.


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I've always been a yes on this, but we'll get to test the theory that they have to win a Cup. He's the first one (and possibly only one right now) who will get in as a Flyer without winning the Cup.

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The WHA was a really good league. The top teams there wouldn't have challenged for cups, but they would have made the playoffs in the NHL. Howe was unique in that he had so many fine years there. Lots of HOFers finished up there after doing enough in the NHL to make it and lots of HOFers started there as kids.
I enjoyed WHA hockey, about as freewheeling as it got or gets. My friends and I used to go to MSG to watch the NY Raiders (later Golden Blades) on Sunday afternoons for $2 bucks with our junior high IDs. We saw the Howe trio on their first (and only) trip into New York that season before the team moved to Cherry Hill.

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