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07-16-2011, 11:45 PM
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I wish we hadn't, but we are strapped for cash to say the least. I guess management thought we needed the depth up front more than on D at this point.
So that would probably eliminate Kimmo Timonen from any discussion then huh? Not sure if either side would be willing to work a trade. Just a name that popped in my head reading the thread

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07-16-2011, 11:46 PM
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hm?

Backes fills in on the third line for the Avs and Quincey would easily be the number 1 guy on the blue line for the Blues, plus hes left handed. hes certainly got the potential to be a number 1 guy, just needs to reach it.
How is a 60pt Backes, who was a Selke candidate and has captain material, a third liner?

I have no faith in Quincey becoming a #1 defenseman.

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07-16-2011, 11:50 PM
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hm?

Backes fills in on the third line for the Avs and Quincey would easily be the number 1 guy on the blue line for the Blues, plus hes left handed. hes certainly got the potential to be a number 1 guy, just needs to reach it.
Backes would play 1st line wing on the avs. Quincy would be debatably better then cola on the blues....

Pietrangelo, polak, shattenkirk, jackman would all be higher on the depth chart. No way you trade backes for a #5 dman on your team...

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07-16-2011, 11:53 PM
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So that would probably eliminate Kimmo Timonen from any discussion then huh? Not sure if either side would be willing to work a trade. Just a name that popped in my head reading the thread
Timonen seems like he is on the decline, even if the decline isn't steep. Plus, that salary is probably too large and the Blues need the LHD to be around for a while or come cheap for the short term. I can't see how Timonen would work.

I do like Timonen and it would be cool to have him though.

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07-17-2011, 12:03 AM
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off topic question, why was Erik Johnson traded? wasnt he paired with Pietrangelo?

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off topic question, why was Erik Johnson traded? wasnt he paired with Pietrangelo?
Johnson was not panning out as hoped and COL provided an offer that was too good to pass up. As for EJ and Pietrangelo being paired together it might have happened a couple times, but that was due to injuries. Regularly they were not paired together, being as they are both RHD.

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off topic question, why was Erik Johnson traded? wasnt he paired with Pietrangelo?
No Johnson and pietrangelo are both right defensemen. Johnson was traded because of pietranglo's progress and potential to be a true number one defensemen.

Also the the blues received shattenkirk who is a top 4 defenseman in the Johnson deal. We also got Stewart who is a top line power forward basically we traded from a position of strength to fill a weakness.

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Whitney for Allen, Cole, 2nd
Oilers don't need more prospects. There aren't even spots on the farm let alone the main club.

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You can take Johnson back.
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hm?

Backes fills in on the third line for the Avs and Quincey would easily be the number 1 guy on the blue line for the Blues, plus hes left handed. hes certainly got the potential to be a number 1 guy, just needs to reach it.
God I hope you're joking...I honestly can't tell

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jj for stewart

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07-17-2011, 02:42 AM
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Berglund, Backes, Stewart, Pietrangelo and Shattenkirk are all a no go IMO for any trade.

Oshie, McDonald, Polak, Tarasenko, Schwartz, Allen or Cole are only in a deal for a young top pairing left Defenseman IMO. The player has to be a big upgrade over Jackman and Cola. Great defensively while still having a good offensive game.

I know that really limits and probably eliminates all trades and I am fine with that. I don't see the point in trading and creating a bigger hole on the team. A top pairing left defenseman is a luxury IMO not a need we have serviceable players right now. I think Cole will soon fill that spot so I really am not as worried as some other Blues fans.

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07-17-2011, 03:21 AM
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Timonen seems like he is on the decline, even if the decline isn't steep. Plus, that salary is probably too large and the Blues need the LHD to be around for a while or come cheap for the short term. I can't see how Timonen would work.

I do like Timonen and it would be cool to have him though.
I think Timonen's salary is declining, so that would help the Blues. Small salary, large cap-hit is very nice to small - mid market teams under the current CBA.

I think Coburn would be a very nice fit, but he isn't leaving Philly for anything less than an overpayment.

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07-17-2011, 03:22 AM
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Berglund, Backes, Stewart, Pietrangelo and Shattenkirk are all a no go IMO for any trade.

Oshie, McDonald, Polak, Tarasenko, Schwartz, Allen or Cole are only in a deal for a young top pairing left Defenseman IMO. The player has to be a big upgrade over Jackman and Cola. Great defensively while still having a good offensive game.

I know that really limits and probably eliminates all trades and I am fine with that. I don't see the point in trading and creating a bigger hole on the team. A top pairing left defenseman is a luxury IMO not a need we have serviceable players right now. I think Cole will soon fill that spot so I really am not as worried as some other Blues fans.
I can see Cole filling the hole nicely as well. But I worry about how long he can fill it with his concussion history.

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07-17-2011, 10:07 AM
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I think Timonen's salary is declining, so that would help the Blues. Small salary, large cap-hit is very nice to small - mid market teams under the current CBA.

I think Coburn would be a very nice fit, but he isn't leaving Philly for anything less than an overpayment.
I totally missed reviewing his actual salary. I think $5M and $3M respectively could make sense. But I ask, why would Philly move him?

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07-17-2011, 01:00 PM
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What about...

Andrew MacDonald for TJ Oshie?

I am contradicting myself because in another thread I wrote how MacDonald won't be traded unless it's apart of a package to bring in an elite player, but I'm a big Oshie fan and with de Haan arguably ready to step in right now, this could be possible. MacDonald is honestly more of a #3 right now, but he filled in on the top-pairing last year and didn't skip a beat so IMO he does have 1st pairing potential.

He looked like a legit #2 defenseman playing next to Hamonic last year, so I'm assuming he will look the same playing with Pietrangelo.

As for the Islanders, Oshie-Tavares-Moulson would be absolute beast. I love Oshie's game and love the idea of his game on Tavares' line even more.

Doubt it ever happens but curious to see what fans of both sides think.

EDIT: BTW, MacDonald is locked up for 3 more years at 550K per year if you were wondering what his salary looked like.

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07-17-2011, 01:10 PM
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I think until Oshie gets a full season under his belt he'll stay out of trades that don't add from the top of the depth chart. Just not worth it to sell low on a guy who's never put in a full season's worth of scoring and healthy play to boost his market value to the team's internal value. Swapping him for another fringe guy who could reach their ceiling this year seems like a redundant move for a team that only needs that LHD as a means of having a complete on-paper line up. We'd gain some skill in the back-end and give up just as much hitting, backchecking, and PK skill in Oshie to do it, so just too lateral.

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What about...

Andrew MacDonald for TJ Oshie?

I am contradicting myself because in another thread I wrote how MacDonald won't be traded unless it's apart of a package to bring in an elite player, but I'm a big Oshie fan and with de Haan arguably ready to step in right now, this could be possible. MacDonald is honestly more of a #3 right now, but he filled in on the top-pairing last year and didn't skip a beat so IMO he does have 1st pairing potential.

He looked like a legit #2 defenseman playing next to Hamonic last year, so I'm assuming he will look the same playing with Pietrangelo.

As for the Islanders, Oshie-Tavares-Moulson would be absolute beast. I love Oshie's game and love the idea of his game on Tavares' line even more.

Doubt it ever happens but curious to see what fans of both sides think.

EDIT: BTW, MacDonald is locked up for 3 more years at 550K per year if you were wondering what his salary looked like.
I think we should just blow everyone's mind and trade Andy McDonald for Andrew MacDonald.

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07-17-2011, 03:11 PM
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And you wonder why Leaf fans have the reputation around here that they do. Komisarek is NOT a top pairing Dman, he's (at best) a bottom pairing Dman. Nobody will give you a 2nd for that. He is nothing more than a salary dump, that Leaf fans try to pawn off in every proposal. You'd have to GIVE a team a 2nd round pick to get rid of him (and any GM that took just a 2nd to take on that salary would win the Mike Milbury award).

Face it, Leaf fans, you aren't getting rid of that contract without taking an equally bad or worse one back. I don't know why I try though, as I know that this will fall on deaf ears. I'm sure this is just a troll post anyway.
I think it's pretty safe to say that it was a sarcastic post. Us Leafs fans know that Komisarek can't be moved this season...and that even if he was, we'd have to give-up something for a team to take him, not the other way around.

It's odd that one post from a Leafs fan equals the consensus of the fanbase, but one post from any other fan is just an individual opinion.

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I think we should just blow everyone's mind and trade Andy McDonald for Andrew MacDonald.
HF would explode more than when seabrook was traded

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I'm sure I'm in the minority, but if guaranteed an extension would be signed, I'd swap Backes for Suter.

Suter-Pietrangelo would be BEAST.

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I'm sure I'm in the minority, but if guaranteed an extension would be signed, I'd swap Backes for Suter.

Suter-Pietrangelo would be BEAST.
Yes, you would be in the minority. Even though Suter and Pietrangelo would make one of the best pairings in hockey, we won't be trading Backes anytime soon, especially to the Predators.

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I totally missed reviewing his actual salary. I think $5M and $3M respectively could make sense. But I ask, why would Philly move him?
I don't think they would. But he would be an ideal fit for what the Blues are looking for.

The Blues and other cap-floor teams will likely be trading for players with diminishing salary contracts over the next few season baring drastic change in the next CBA.

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I'd consider moving Edler for Backes and Pietrangelo. That may be a lateral move for the Blues though, I'm not sure if that's the type of deal they would bother doing.

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Yes, you would be in the minority. Even though Suter and Pietrangelo would make one of the best pairings in hockey, we won't be trading Backes anytime soon, especially to the Predators.
Your insane. This makes my above Edler propsal look foolish. If you can get a signed Suter for Backes, you do it. Suter is a legit #1 dman who by many accounts is better than Weber, if I'm the Blues I take that and run. There's no way Nashville does this trade though, in my eyes the value is far off.

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I'd consider moving Edler for Backes and Pietrangelo. That may be a lateral move for the Blues though, I'm not sure if that's the type of deal they would bother doing.
You'd consider it? The point of the thread is to get a defensive minded partner for Petro. Blues wouldn't move Petro for Edler straight up. Not sure if this post is serious or not.

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