Put yourselves in LA's shoes. Would you accept a package of Okposo, Comeau, and a 1st for JT? Let alone for Doughty.
If i was having a hard time signing Tavares, i would atleast consider it.
When i mentioned Doughty and Suter it was because of their contract situations. If either of them were signed long term, then it would be a pipe dream.
If i was having a hard time signing Tavares, i would atleast consider it.
When i mentioned Doughty and Suter it was because of their contract situations. If either of them were signed long term, then it would be a pipe dream.
Ok, I suppose you can consider it. But then let's also pretend there are about 29 other teams that would want a Doughty. How many offers would trump the one that includes a 2nd line winger, a 3rd line winger, and a 1st rounder? I predict maybe.
Now if Doughty was in his 30s, and did not have at least 10-15 years of dominant hockey left, then maybe a package like this would make more sense. But even then trading elite players for a package of solid, but unspectacular players is rarely a good deal.
Ok, I suppose you can consider it. But then let's also pretend there are about 29 other teams that would want a Doughty. How many offers would trump the one that includes a 2nd line winger, a 3rd line winger, and a 1st rounder? I predict maybe.
Now if Doughty was in his 30s, and did not have at least 10-15 years of dominant hockey left, then maybe a package like this would make more sense. But even then trading elite players for a package of solid, but unspectacular players is rarely a good deal.
Someone used to try and pry Denis Potvin from us. They offered similar deals. It won't happen, just like you said. He is a franchise #1 defenseman. It's going to cost quite a bit, more than what I have seen here.
Ok, I suppose you can consider it. But then let's also pretend there are about 29 other teams that would want a Doughty. How many offers would trump the one that includes a 2nd line winger, a 3rd line winger, and a 1st rounder? I predict maybe.
Now if Doughty was in his 30s, and did not have at least 10-15 years of dominant hockey left, then maybe a package like this would make more sense. But even then trading elite players for a package of solid, but unspectacular players is rarely a good deal.
I'm not saying that K.O., Comeau & a pick will get it done, but as long as he's not signed, he's in play. And we would definitily compete with the rest of the league for him.
But this idea that some people have that there is no way we'd get him if he were in play in ludicrous. No one thought we'd get Smyth, and we did...for nothing!
I'm not saying that K.O., Comeau & a pick will get it done, but as long as he's not signed, he's in play. And we would definitily compete with the rest of the league for him.
But this idea that some people have that there is no way we'd get him if he were in play in ludicrous. No one thought we'd get Smyth, and we did...for nothing!
I see no similarities between the Smyth trade and a potential Doughty trade. I'll list the differences.
1) One is a franchise player. The other was a heart and soul type player, but hardly a franchise-changer.
2) One is 21 years old at time of trade rumors. The other was 31 at the time of the trade.
3) One plays for a team that just traded for "the last piece" to contend for a cup. The other played for a team that was in the midst of a rebuild.
4) One will cost an arm and a leg to get (probably both arms and legs). The other player was dealt for a bust, a soon-to-be-found-out bust, and a mid-1st rounder.
What the Kings will be looking for if they trade Doughty is far more than we have. To think that we can get him without giving up JT, and likely a top prospect is not acknowledging the type of player Doughty is. Please let's not compare him to the Smyth deal. There is absolutely no similarities between the two cases.
I really don't want to give up a 1st next year in such a great draft.
Have to start trying to win at some point...
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we had both...chara for our solid defense and if we drafted parise we wld have our solid winger...ughhhh ******* milbury!! and dont forget having luongo in goal ughhhhhh!!!!!
I guess we won't ever get over things that happened 10 and 8 years ago, eh?
I know doughty won't happen nor do I want to give up what it would take to happen. But to play devils advocit..two 1st. Dehann strome bailey? Anywhere close?
I know doughty won't happen nor do I want to give up what it would take to happen. But to play devils advocit..two 1st. Dehann strome bailey? Anywhere close?
Replace de Haan with Amac. That's how much of an overpayment they'd want.
I see no similarities between the Smyth trade and a potential Doughty trade. I'll list the differences.
1) One is a franchise player. The other was a heart and soul type player, but hardly a franchise-changer.
2) One is 21 years old at time of trade rumors. The other was 31 at the time of the trade.
3) One plays for a team that just traded for "the last piece" to contend for a cup. The other played for a team that was in the midst of a rebuild.
4) One will cost an arm and a leg to get (probably both arms and legs). The other player was dealt for a bust, a soon-to-be-found-out bust, and a mid-1st rounder.
What the Kings will be looking for if they trade Doughty is far more than we have. To think that we can get him without giving up JT, and likely a top prospect is not acknowledging the type of player Doughty is. Please let's not compare him to the Smyth deal. There is absolutely no similarities between the two cases.
There is one similaritie...Smyth didn't sign a extension with the Oilers, and Doughty doesn't have a contract. That's the reason all these Doughty/Stamkos rumours surfaced all summer. Stamkos has signed, no more rumours. Until Doughty does the same, you never know.
There is one similaritie...Smyth didn't sign a extension with the Oilers, and Doughty doesn't have a contract. That's the reason all these Doughty/Stamkos rumours surfaced all summer. Stamkos has signed, no more rumours. Until Doughty does the same, you never know.
The reason there are rumors out there is because people need something to write about. If you have a blog or are some bozo on Twitter and want to get people to follow you, you're going to write about the biggest names out there. You plug in teams with a lot of cap space or big market teams and big name players. It doesn't mean that there's any validity to the rumors. Doughty is probably the biggest name out there, only because Parise and Weber are going to arbitration.
I'm not saying the Isles wouldn't be interested in adding a piece like Doughty. Every team would. However, I would think if the Isles were seriously pursuing Doughty, the rumors would be coming from more legitimate sources than some random guy on Twitter. For example the one guy reported the Isles were going to make an offer sheet. Then I saw one guy (a different one) on Twitter say Doughty was at the Blue and White game over the weekend. If the Isles had Doughty come out for a visit and he was at the prospect game, don't you think more than some random nobody on Twitter would have been all over that?
To start rumors any more, all it takes is one guy on Twitter to say something, someone else to jump in and say "Oh yeah I heard that too" or "I saw this guy at such and such a place" even though it never happened, get a bunch of people to retweet it and you have rumors that aren't even close to being valid.
There is one similaritie...Smyth didn't sign a extension with the Oilers, and Doughty doesn't have a contract. That's the reason all these Doughty/Stamkos rumours surfaced all summer. Stamkos has signed, no more rumours. Until Doughty does the same, you never know.
Lombardi would seriously be lynched if Doughty is not resigned. All of this Doughty speculation is just that, speculation. The kid is an absolute stud. He was a Kings fan growing up and they are one of the most promising teams in the league right now. They have some great young pieces and he leads the pack in that regard. It's not as if the Kings don't have the cap space to sign him which would be the ONLY reason why you trade him. They are almost $10M under the cap and I think he's their only RFA remaining. I believe Oscar Moller bolted for Europe?
The fact that Stamkos signed, it's only a matter of time until Drew re-signs with LA. You have to think that both their agents were waiting for eachother because it would set the market for a star player of their caliber. Stamkos at $7.5M a year? That seems about right. I was a little surprised at the short length of 5 years though, I would have thought it would have been at least 6 years, probably 7. Doughty should get a contract in that ball park, but maybe for a longer term than Stamkos.
I know doughty won't happen nor do I want to give up what it would take to happen. But to play devils advocit..two 1st. Dehann strome bailey? Anywhere close?
Now you're in the ballpark.
3 excellent, excellent prospects and 2 1sts.
The only thing standing in the way here might be Strome. If LA viewed him a top prospect then a deal like this works. They would likely be looking for a Brayden Schenn (whoops) in return. Meaning, a kid who is clearly going to play in this league at a high level for many years -- nearly guaranteed.
Regardless... Isles ain't undoing the youth movement in one fell swoop like that.
I know doughty won't happen nor do I want to give up what it would take to happen. But to play devils advocit..two 1st. Dehann strome bailey? Anywhere close?
Close.. But that's really just starting negotiations it honestly would probably take more than that to keep Lombardi on the line for a little longer. I know we value our guys very highly, as we should, but Doughty is a franchise.. FRANCHISE defensemen it's going to take a huge amount to nab him.
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I'm not saying that K.O., Comeau & a pick will get it done, but as long as he's not signed, he's in play. And we would definitily compete with the rest of the league for him.
But this idea that some people have that there is no way we'd get him if he were in play in ludicrous. No one thought we'd get Smyth, and we did...for nothing!
Smyth and Doughty are two vastly gigantic ridiculously different situations. I get that message boards or for speculating and wishing for players to come here but Doughty is a PIPE DREAM. Just like Stamkos it's not happening and to really think he is actually in play is ludicrous in itself.
I've been checking to see what kinda move is possible to make that would most benefit the club....more realistically anyway.
Buffalo is over the cap - As far a Dmen go..I think only Morrison is on the chopping block..but he is not what we want.
Edmonton - Apparently they want to unload or at least have an opened mind to trade Hemsky (RW) and Gilbert... What about going for those? We can trade Parenteau and "player or prospect" or something like that. Move Grabs to first line and Hemsky..who is a better player than PAP...to the second line and comeau would open up another spot up front for a prospect.. Have Bails center third line with Nino and Rhett on his wing. We also Get Gilbert....not sure if he can do a top 2 job though.
Ottawa - Do we want Kuba because I am hearing they have way too many D as 2 prospects (cowen and Rundblad) are slated to make it into the lineup this coming season, so Kuba's name keeps popping up.
Philly - Since Philly is way close to the cap...speculation is that they might be willing to let Matt Carle go...I like this guy and he is a whopping +30. I know we are in the same division, but I just had to at least put it out there.
Toronto - I think we talked about Komisarek
TBH..I think the Isles are waiting till AFTER the vote to make a huge move.
IEdmonton - Apparently they want to unload or at least have an opened mind to trade Hemsky (RW) and Gilbert... What about going for those? We can trade Parenteau and "player or prospect" or something like that. Move Grabs to first line and Hemsky..who is a better player than PAP...to the second line and comeau would open up another spot up front for a prospect.. Have Bails center third line with Nino and Rhett on his wing. We also Get Gilbert....not sure if he can do a top 2 job though.
Hemsky fits our needs, but is an injury risk. If I were the Oilers, I'd hold on to him until the trade deadline. If he's healthy, he'll be just as valuable then to a contender as he will be to the Islanders now. Not knocking Gilbert, but do we need another one of those?
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Ottawa - Do we want Kuba because I am hearing they have way too many D as 2 prospects (cowen and Rundblad) are slated to make it into the lineup this coming season, so Kuba's name keeps popping up.
I think signing McCabe is a better option than Kuba. Same awful defense, but more upside on the point, and leadership qualities.
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Philly - Since Philly is way close to the cap...speculation is that they might be willing to let Matt Carle go...I like this guy and he is a whopping +30. I know we are in the same division, but I just had to at least put it out there.
Yeah, I don't think the Flyers do business with us.
Really, I think the best bet for a deal is Hemsky. Unfortunately, if the Oilers want to trade Hemsky, that's a pretty good sign that his shoulder isn't coming along as expected. The Colin Fraser situation doesn't look good for dealing with Steve Tambellini.
I think the chances it happens are low. I wouldn't give a 2012 #1 for him (draft is expected to be too strong), and that's probably what it would cost. If the cost is lower (i.e. Comeau + 2012 3rd), I'd pull the trigger after doing due diligence on the shoulder.
Back to the Doughty situation, I really think the Kings would want Neilson in the deal. Its going to hurt no matter who they take from us but people tend to forget how valuable this guy is. He makes peanuts and is a top 10 two way center, maybe even top 5 in my book. Also, for the people that don think Doughty is worth it, think again. This guy was team Canadas top pairing dman in the Olympics and did damage at a very young age. He has STAR POWER. Isles lack that badly besides Tavares. Doughty definitely puts us back on the map and in the playoffs. Garth has my vote.
The reason there are rumors out there is because people need something to write about. If you have a blog or are some bozo on Twitter and want to get people to follow you, you're going to write about the biggest names out there. You plug in teams with a lot of cap space or big market teams and big name players. It doesn't mean that there's any validity to the rumors. Doughty is probably the biggest name out there, only because Parise and Weber are going to arbitration.
I'm not saying the Isles wouldn't be interested in adding a piece like Doughty. Every team would. However, I would think if the Isles were seriously pursuing Doughty, the rumors would be coming from more legitimate sources than some random guy on Twitter. For example the one guy reported the Isles were going to make an offer sheet. Then I saw one guy (a different one) on Twitter say Doughty was at the Blue and White game over the weekend. If the Isles had Doughty come out for a visit and he was at the prospect game, don't you think more than some random nobody on Twitter would have been all over that?
To start rumors any more, all it takes is one guy on Twitter to say something, someone else to jump in and say "Oh yeah I heard that too" or "I saw this guy at such and such a place" even though it never happened, get a bunch of people to retweet it and you have rumors that aren't even close to being valid.
The rumours of Doughty being available, and they are only rumours, is because he doesn't have a contract. And it may well be a long shot. But as i said earlier, until he's signed, you never know.
My opinion...were not getting him. But i didn't think Richards & Carter would get traded either. So this idea that it's impossible is crazy.
I'm of the opinion that Snow should sign someone like Hannan and call it a day. But he seems like he's going to trade for a defenseman.
Despite many unreliable sources, I believe Garth is talking to several teams right now looking to make a big splash. I'm getting excited, expect news within a week!
Hemsky fits our needs, but is an injury risk. If I were the Oilers, I'd hold on to him until the trade deadline. If he's healthy, he'll be just as valuable then to a contender as he will be to the Islanders now. Not knocking Gilbert, but do we need another one of those?
I think signing McCabe is a better option than Kuba. Same awful defense, but more upside on the point, and leadership qualities.
Yeah, I don't think the Flyers do business with us.
Really, I think the best bet for a deal is Hemsky. Unfortunately, if the Oilers want to trade Hemsky, that's a pretty good sign that his shoulder isn't coming along as expected. The Colin Fraser situation doesn't look good for dealing with Steve Tambellini.
I think the chances it happens are low. I wouldn't give a 2012 #1 for him (draft is expected to be too strong), and that's probably what it would cost. If the cost is lower (i.e. Comeau + 2012 3rd), I'd pull the trigger after doing due diligence on the shoulder.
Comeau is a finisher; Hemsky a playmaker. Who plays with Bailey? And already, the stats don't warrant the trade given the price disparity and our need for a goal scorer on line 2 (3 until Bailey wakes up).
Sorry, I don't do that trade....but if it were Bailey straight up for Hemsky? I have some issues but it makes more sense. It opens up a spot for Strome in a year (but who plays center until then?).
Regardless, I pass based on the shoulder and our giving up age for questionable goods.
