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07-18-2011, 09:21 PM
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How many top FAs have signed with Toronto recently?..

...Don't worry I'll wait.

Since there was only one this year, B Richards, you could ask this question to a lot of teams. If I were Lou, I'd get cracking soon.

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I agree I might be far fetched to put Phaneuf at the level of Doughty, Weber and Keith and I admit those are the 3 most appealing and better than Phaneuf.

I still consider Phaneuf a rare breed of D Men who come around once every 10 years. Its harder to find an ELITE Defense man than an ELITE winger. I dont care how good Parise is.

I want Parise on NJ for life. I think he is our next Captain.

But since I chose to participate in the fun of trade proposals on HF, I would gladly offer Parise to Toronto for their STUD D MAN Captain tomorrow.

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I agree I might be far fetched to put Phaneuf at the level of Doughty, Weber and Keith and I admit those are the 3 most appealing and better than Phaneuf.

I still consider Phaneuf a rare breed of D Men who come around once every 10 years. Its harder to find an ELITE Defense man than an ELITE winger. I dont care how good Parise is.

I want Parise on NJ for life. I think he is our next Captain.

But since I chose to participate in the fun of trade proposals on HF, I would gladly offer Parise to Toronto for their STUD D MAN Captain tomorrow.
I'll drive Dion to the airport

EDIT: and for the record (in case someone tries to frame it as if I hate Dion) I'm a huge fan of Phaneuf and think his play post-Reimer is more indicative to what he'll bring this year (40-60pts).

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but, it really wasnt a "serious" knee injury.

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a PPG left winger is a more important gap to fill, IMO. Phaneuf has been pretty good since the allstar break but nothing near irreplaceable. Getting someone of Parise's caliber is so much harder than that of Dions.
Phaneuf's more valuable to the Leafs than Parisi, he's a good player but he is not a #1 center, leafs have a similar player in Kessel as a 3 year straight 30+ goal man, one of the best young wingers in Kulemin in the league that is only going to be better, Parisi would be nice but Leafs don't have to trade for him when they can take a run at him on July 1. Phaneuf is the Captain, the Leafs D have an abundance of young promising Defencemen and Phaneuf is needed to anchor it. Ask Boston how important a Number 1 D man is, heck if you are a NJ fan look at what Stevens did for them. No way is Parisi worth Phaneuf at this point of time.

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but, it really wasnt a "serious" knee injury.
Ty. It wasnt an ACL or MCL tear.

I dont do any Trades proposed in this thread.

None of them.

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Phaneuf's more valuable to the Leafs than Parisi, he's a good player but he is not a #1 center, leafs have a similar player in Kessel as a 3 year straight 30+ goal man, one of the best young wingers in Kulemin in the league that is only going to be better, Parisi would be nice but Leafs don't have to trade for him when they can take a run at him on July 1. Phaneuf is the Captain, the Leafs D have an abundance of young promising Defence and Phaneuf is needed to anchor it. Ask Boston how important a Number 1 D man is, heck you if you are a NJ fan look at what Stevens did for them. No way is Parisi worth Phaneuf at this point of time.
You're kidding yourself if you think:
1. Parise will hit UFA
2. The Leafs don't need another top-end forward (Kulemin/Grabo/Mac line can't carry the offense forever)
3. that Phaneuf is more valuable than Parise

Not even to mention that how the Leafs would win a bidding war for Parise if for some crazy reason he did hit UFA... Where do we get the cap space for that?

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You're kidding yourself if you think:
1. Parise will hit UFA
2. The Leafs don't need another top-end forward (Kulemin/Grabo/Mac line can't carry the offense forever)
3. that Phaneuf is more valuable than Parise
this guy gets it.

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You're kidding yourself if you think:
1. Parise will hit UFA
2. The Leafs don't need another top-end forward (Kulemin/Grabo/Mac line can't carry the offense forever)
3. that Phaneuf is more valuable than Parise

Not even to mention that how the Leafs would win a bidding war for Parise if for some crazy reason he did hit UFA... Where do we get the cap space for that?

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You're kidding yourself if you think:
1. Parise will hit UFA
2. The Leafs don't need another top-end forward (Kulemin/Grabo/Mac line can't carry the offense forever)
3. that Phaneuf is more valuable than Parise

Not even to mention that how the Leafs would win a bidding war for Parise if for some crazy reason he did hit UFA... Where do we get the cap space for that?

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You're kidding yourself if you think:
1. Parise will hit UFA
2. The Leafs don't need another top-end forward (Kulemin/Grabo/Mac line can't carry the offense forever)
3. that Phaneuf is more valuable than Parise
Personally I think Lou would rather move other parts so he can sign Parisi, but the longer this drags out I'm sure Zach was watching what was going on with Richards this summer, he may test UFA.

Secondly, Leafs need a #1 Center, Parisi is a nice player, when healthy he would help almost any team, but again he is a winger. I'm sure burke wouldn't say no to the idea, but a winger isn't his first priority.

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2 former high firsts, a possible lottery pick in 2012, and a 2nd is closer to Crosby than for an upcoming UFA next year, a blind man could see this.
Where they were drafted means nothing. What Toronto has done with them since then matters more. Schenn is decent, and Kadri has yet to prove anything in the NHL. Leafs fans overrate him quite a bit.

The Devils aren't going to trade a player like Parise for a package of mostly futures.

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Phaneuf's more valuable to the Leafs than Parisi, he's a good player but he is not a #1 center, leafs have a similar player in Kessel as a 3 year straight 30+ goal man, one of the best young wingers in Kulemin in the league that is only going to be better, Parisi would be nice but Leafs don't have to trade for him when they can take a run at him on July 1. Phaneuf is the Captain, the Leafs D have an abundance of young promising Defencemen and Phaneuf is needed to anchor it. Ask Boston how important a Number 1 D man is, heck you if you are a NJ fan look at what Stevens did for them. No way is Parisi worth Phaneuf at this point of time.
Several things:

Parise spells his name like this, get it right.

Kessel is not a similar player to Parise. Parise is better defensively, better offensively, and is a better player to build a team around.

Kulemin is good, but not one of the best young wingers in the league. Parise, on the other hand, is one of the best young wingers in the league.

Parise will not be a UFA next July 1, because Lou is not a chump.

Parise is the future captain of the Devils, the fact that Phaneuf is the captain of the Leafs means nothing extra.

A number one defenceman is important, but so is a top line left winger.

Not that either team would ever make the offer, but the Devils would not trade Parise for Phaneuf. No way.

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3. that Phaneuf is more valuable than Parise
This one is debatable. Parise is more valuable to Phaneuf in most cases. For the Devils who are so deep at LW and have Kovy locked up until the world ends, along with the fact that Phaneuf fills a need we have had direly since we have been getting bounced in the 1st Round and even before that, I am not sure how much more valuable Parise would be to NJ than a Puck Moving D Man with size and the talent that Phaneuf has.

Both players have done exactly NOTHING come April.

Like I said, I hold onto Parise and make him my Captain instantly. But if the opportunity arose to get a top level elite legit #1 Defense man who is franchise caliber, I do it.

I guess the argument is whether or not anyone feels Phaneuf is now or ever will reach that level. In NJ I think he could.

I also think your #1 is not set in stone either. I don't see anything that makes me definitively think Parise will test Free Agency. I think he signs long term before this season.

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who the **** is Parisi?

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Where they were drafted means nothing. What Toronto has done with them since then matters more. Schenn is decent, and Kadri has yet to prove anything in the NHL. Leafs fans overrate him quite a bit.

The Devils aren't going to trade a player like Parise for a package of mostly futures.



Several things:

Parise spells his name like this, get it right.

Kessel is not a similar player to Parise. Parise is better defensively, better offensively, and is a better player to build a team around.

Kulemin is good, but not one of the best young wingers in the league. Parise, on the other hand, is one of the best young wingers in the league.

Parise will not be a UFA next July 1, because Lou is not a chump.

Parise is the future captain of the Devils, the fact that Phaneuf is the captain of the Leafs means nothing extra.

A number one defenceman is important, but so is a top line left winger.

Not that either team would ever make the offer, but the Devils would not trade Parise for Phaneuf. No way.
This is a fair post, except for the part about Kulemin, he is right on the cusp of being one of the premiere 2 way fwds in the game, he can also be termed a power fwd as he loses very few battles on the boards. I don't expect other fanbases to follow as closely as Leafs fanbase does but if he isn't one of the best wingers in the game, he is darn close.

BTW I heard on TOR radio about Lou slipping of late on a few moves, he didn't qualify some players and ended up paying more for them, don't forget this is the guy that let Gionta and Raffie go for nothing, Gomez though that worked out well. Personally I think he overrated Marty, he hasn't impressed me in years, he was once a great goalie that played in very good defensive systems but he doesn't have Raffie, Neidermayer or Stevens to bail him out anymore.

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This is a fair post, except for the part about Kulemin, he is right on the cusp of being one of the premiere 2 way fwds in the game, he can also be termed a power fwd as he loses few battles on the boards. I don't expect other fanbases to follow as closely as Leafs fanbase does but if he isn't one of the best wingers in the game, he is darn close.

BTW I heard on TOR radio about Lou slipping of late on a few moves, he didn't qualify some players and ended up paying more for them, don't forget this is the guy that let Gionta and Raffie go for nothing, Gomez though that worked out well. Personally I think he overrated Marty, he hasn't impressed me in years, he was once a great goalie that played in very good defensive systems but he doesn't have Raffie, Neidermayer or Stevens to bail him out anymore.
so should Lou have traded players like Gionta and Rafalski in the middle of a playoff run? teams dont do that, come on.

also, go look at marty's #s the 2nd half of the season last year. pretty sure he had a GAA around 2.

lastly, what the hell are you talking about with the QOs?

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This is a fair post, except for the part about Kulemin, he is right on the cusp of being one of the premiere 2 way fwds in the game, he can also be termed a power fwd as he loses few battles on the boards. I don't expect other fanbases to follow as closely as Leafs fanbase does but if he isn't one of the best wingers in the game, he is darn close.

BTW I heard on TOR radio about Lou slipping of late on a few moves, he didn't qualify some players and ended up paying more for them, don't forget this is the guy that let Gionta and Raffie go for nothing, Gomez though that worked out well. Personally I think he overrated Marty, he hasn't impressed me in years, he was once a great goalie that played in a very defensive system but he doesn't have Raffie, Neidermayer or Stevens to bail him out anymore.
Rafalski was given an offer to play in his home town for $6 MILL a year for 5 years when he was over 30 years of age. There was no way we were offering him that kind of deal. He was made an offer in the $4-$5 mill range.

Whom did Lou not qualify that he ended up playing more for?

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who the **** is Parisi?
He draws the cartoon strip Off the Mark:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Parisi

I can see why Phaneuf would be more valuable to a hockey team than that guy.

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BTW I heard on TOR radio about Lou slipping of late on a few moves, he didn't qualify some players and ended up paying more for them, don't forget this is the guy that let Gionta and Raffie go for nothing, Gomez though that worked out well. Personally I think he overrated Marty, he hasn't impressed me in years, he was once a great goalie that played in very good defensive systems but he doesn't have Raffie, Neidermayer or Stevens to bail him out anymore.
That qualifying thing you're referring to has not happened. The only times I can recall him not qualifying players we intended to keep were the cases of John Madden, Brian Rafalski, and Andy Greene. Madden and Rafalski was in 2000, hardly recent. Greene was intentionally not qualified in 2009, and subsequently re-signed for less.

Gionta got $5 M/yr from Montreal, the Devils did not want to match that. They had Bergfors ready to step into that spot, and were trying to cut salary so they could keep future free agents, like Parise. Without letting Gionta walk, the Devils don't get or keep Kovalchuk, so I'm fine with that.

Rafalski was a mistake to let go, most Devils fans will agree with that. The other big mistake is Rolston's contract, but 17 other teams were bidding for his services, and he signed at the value the market set for him.

Marty actually took less than his market value at the time he signed his current contract, so I don't know what you're talking about there.

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He draws the cartoon strip Off the Mark:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Parisi

I can see why Phaneuf would be more valuable to a hockey team than that guy.



That qualifying thing you're referring to has not happened. The only times I can recall him not qualifying players we intended to keep were the cases of John Madden, Brian Rafalski, and Andy Greene. Madden and Rafalski was in 2000, hardly recent. Greene was intentionally not qualified in 2009, and subsequently re-signed for less.

Gionta got $5 M/yr from Montreal, the Devils did not want to match that. They had Bergfors ready to step into that spot, and were trying to cut salary so they could keep future free agents, like Parise. Without letting Gionta walk, the Devils don't get or keep Kovalchuk, so I'm fine with that.

Rafalski was a mistake to let go, most Devils fans will agree with that. The other big mistake is Rolston's contract, but 17 other teams were bidding for his services, and he signed at the value the market set for him.

Marty actually took less than his market value at the time he signed his current contract, so I don't know what you're talking about there.
And Paul Martin? Obviously Lou doesn't keep as many upcoming UFA's as widely thought.

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again, what should he have done? trade those players in the midst of a playoff run? thats not how you do things.

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And Paul Martin? Obviously Lou doesn't keep as many upcoming UFA's as widely thought.
Paul Martin scored fewer points than Andy Greene last year. His defence is harder to replace, but I think the Devils will manage. I certainly wouldn't want to pay him $5 M.

Also, Martin wanted to leave because he felt the Devils' medical staff had mishandled his arm injury and caused him to miss the Olympics. To be fair, he had a legitimate gripe there, but there's not much Lou could do about it. I doubt Martin would have come back even if Lou had matched Pittsburgh's offer.

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Since there was only one this year, B Richards, you could ask this question to a lot of teams. If I were Lou, I'd get cracking soon.
I don't know if you were paying attention last summer but there was this guy named Kovalchuk, I hear he's pretty good.

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I don't know if you were paying attention last summer but there was this guy named Kovalchuk, I hear he's pretty good.
The quote from Burke was something along the lines of: "I don't even know his agents name".

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I don't know if you were paying attention last summer but there was this guy named Kovalchuk, I hear he's pretty good.
I don't think we were going after him anyways. Just saying.

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