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07-21-2011, 10:28 AM
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Dubi would've been a UFA after this season correct? So NYR bought out 3 possible UFA years with this deal?

Awesome job, lock up Callahan and Eminger now and let's get to training camp
Would have been RFA next year and year after, they bought 2 UFA years.

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For the Rangers it's better to front load all deals, so paying him less the first two years isn't great.
RFA deals are almost never frontloaded.

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Good to know we have Dubs under our control for another four years. A big part of the core.
And once Cally signs, all of our core will be set for a while.

Gaborik/Richards/Dubi/Staal/Cally/Henrik/Girardi - All locked in for a minimum of three years.

Start the clock.... our window is open.

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For the Rangers it's better to front load all deals, so paying him less the first two years isn't great.

Most teams don't care about the cap that much because they never hit it. They care about the actual money they pay. Giving a player more money up front means he will have additional value beyond his real worth by year 3 or 4 of his contract.

Nobody wants to trade Dubinsky now, but who knows what will happen in a few years. It's never bad to have players with extra value.
RFA vs UFA years, the latter are more expensive.

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You are forgetting that we can simply send Zuccarello to minors. His cap hit is $1.75. If we send him down, we will still have 13 NHL forwards.

If you send him down, then we have $12.3 million left(prior to this Dubinsky deal):
Now lets estimate:
$12.3 - $4.2(Duby) - $4.4(Callahan) - $1.75(Erixon) - $.9(Eminger) = $1.05


I still would not mind buying out Wolski to give us some cap room.
As I said in the arbitration thread, I have no problem subtracting MZA - but then who plays 3rd line RW? Avery? With no one else to sub in if he goes off the rails/into a funk? While I realize this would make many fans happy, I personally think it's a bad idea (and I'm fairly certain Torts would agree).

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Great news.

But didn't Staal sign a 5yr deal last year? Thats going to be an expensive July, 2015.
Actually, it's not bad cap management.
Girardi, Gabby and Hank come up in 3 years.
Dubi and Staal come up in 4.
Depending on the term Cally signs for (ideally 5 years), you've got 'em pretty well spaced and you target all the guys with an additional RFA contract to come for 4+ year deals next time, which would take them out effectively 6 years from today.

And bear in mind that things will change from this year til next, never mind 2016.

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07-21-2011, 10:33 AM
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Very happy this got done. One more to go.

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Great news.

But didn't Staal sign a 5yr deal last year? Thats going to be an expensive July, 2015.

Gaborik comes off the books in 2014, the same year Lundqvist's contract ends.

The savings on Gaborik will go to pay Lundqvist, Staal, Dubinsky, Callahan and at least some among Anisimov, Stepan, Kreider, Erixon

I think Gaborik will either be gone or on a very much reduced salary, allowing others to get re-signed.

Hopefully either Kreider or Thomas will be able to pick up the goals we will lose when Gaborik is gone.

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As I said in the arbitration thread, I have no problem subtracting MZA - but then who plays 3rd line RW? Avery? With no one else to sub in if he goes off the rails/into a funk? While I realize this would make many fans happy, I personally think it's a bad idea (and I'm fairly certain Torts would agree).



Actually, it's not bad cap management.
Girardi, Gabby and Hank come up in 3 years.
Dubi and Staal come up in 4.
Depending on the term Cally signs for (ideally 5 years), you've got 'em pretty well spaced and you target all the guys with an additional RFA contract to come for 4+ year deals next time, which would take them out effectively 6 years from today.

And bear in mind that things will change from this year til next, never mind 2016.
Not to mention the cap will tick up each year (most likely) till then. Going into the three year mark, there might be enough open space to add another 'elite' level player, and then take a serious run.

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I'm happy we signed him for 2 UFA years. Terms are fine. There is a decent chance he will perform well well better than $4.2 million a year every year of the contract, especially if he clicks with Richards and Gabby

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YEA!!!!!!!!!

Thank god this didnt get to arbitration.

GAG must be mad right now!

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Gaborik comes off the books in 2014, the same year Lundqvist's contract ends.

The savings on Gaborik will go to pay Lundqvist, Staal, Dubinsky, Callahan and at least some among Anisimov, Stepan, Kreider, Erixon

I think Gaborik will either be gone or on a very much reduced salary, allowing others to get re-signed.

Hopefully either Kreider or Thomas will be able to pick up the goals we will lose when Gaborik is gone.
It will work itself out.

I look forward to Kreider and Thomas potentially making the team next yr. Spots should become available with Avery, Feds and I am sure Wolski off the books. Fine with those vets for this yr but it does take Hagelin and Zuccarello out of the mix in my opinion unless a vet gets dumped which I don't see to atleast start.

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YEA!!!!!!!!!

Thank god this didnt get to arbitration.

GAG must be mad right now!
Are you slow or something? Why would I be mad? You cried because Dubinsky ELECTED arbitration. I told you it wasn't a bad thing. I was right.

What else you got?

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Sanity prevailed. The Rangers paid an extra $800,000 to get it done. Stafford 4 years/$16M

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good deal imo

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Great deal. Very happy with this.

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Are you slow or something? Why would I be mad? You cried because Dubinsky ELECTED arbitration. I told you it wasn't a bad thing. I was right.

What else you got?
and your tune changes!!!

You were so excited over Dubi going to arbitration because it was the best thing ever, then as it got close your started panicking because you knew you were wrong.

Oh man, just stop digging yourself deeper and have a dubi.

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I was more worried about Dubi than Cally, because Dubi's holdout 2 years ago showed he's not afraid of being aggressive when it comes to this sort of stuff.

Great deal, Dubi actually signed for less than I was expecting him to. I figured it would be about $4.5.

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I would rather get rid of Wolski than Zuccarello. Wolski will almost certainly be gone next summer even if he has a good year just because his qualifying offer is so high.

Zuccarello could be a long term asset to the team if he plays well. Obviously if we can get real value for MZA while having to just dump Wolski, it may make sense, not in general, it makes more sense to get rid of Wolski.

Plus, the savings are greater so we could replace Wolski with Prospal, while still having plenty of money to re-sign Callahan and Eminger.

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Third time so far with arbitration cases being settled right before the hearing.

The Dubinsky deal is fair deal for both sides.

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YEA!!!!!!!!!

Thank god this didnt get to arbitration.

GAG must be mad right now!
Haha, right. The point was that having Dubinsky elect for arbitration put us in a better and more secure spot than if he hadn't, and were open to offer sheets. It was a point that pretty much everyone but you got.

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Sanity prevailed. The Rangers paid an extra $800,000 to get it done. Stafford 4 years/$16M
Makes sense. Dubinsky is more than $800K better than Stafford.

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and your tune changes!!!

You were so excited over Dubi going to arbitration because it was the best thing ever, then as it got close your started panicking because you knew you were wrong.

Oh man, just stop digging yourself deeper and have a dubi.
Are you joking? I don't even know. He was happy that Duby ELECTED arbitration, as were all of us except for you, because that prevents him from being offer sheeted. None of us wanted him to GET TO arbitration. We were happy he elected it. You really must be slow...

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So happy right now, great that this got done before arbitration.

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That agent in the Boston Globe said $4.25M for Dubinsky and Callahan. $1.75M for Boyle. The agent was off by just $50,000.

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I would rather get rid of Wolski than Zuccarello. Wolski will almost certainly be gone next summer even if he has a good year just because his qualifying offer is so high.

Zuccarello could be a long term asset to the team if he plays well. Obviously if we can get real value for MZA while having to just dump Wolski, it may make sense, not in general, it makes more sense to get rid of Wolski.

Plus, the savings are greater so we could replace Wolski with Prospal, while still having plenty of money to re-sign Callahan and Eminger.
I would in no way shape or form rather get rid of Wolski over Zucc. Zucc is still unproven at the NHL level. Wolski, despite being inconsistent has shown that he has talent, and has put up numbers.

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