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07-21-2011, 06:35 PM
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How exactly does that work? Eberle is a young unproven offensively gifted winger. Of which Edmonton also has Hall, MPS, Omark, and veterans Smyth and Hemsky already on the team. If he's that good then he'd be just as good/valuable to any other team.

He doesn't get traded because teams generally don't trade their top prospects around. That doesn't mean he'd be more valuable on Edmonton than anywhere else, considering he has yet to really break out yet and he plays in the position of Edmonton's greatest depth & strength.
There are a couple main reasons that make him more valuable to Edmonton than anywhere else:

Firstly, him and Taylor Hall have quickly become very good friends (they live together, and I personally have seen them out together several times) and they have developed some fantastic on-ice chemistry.

Secondly, he grew up an Edmonton Oiler fan and he legitimately is THRILLED to be an Oiler. He exhibits the exact kind of qualities that Oiler fans want all of their players to have. It is especially important in Edmonton, a place that is pretty well known to be somewhere a lot of teams don't want to be.

As for the bolded statement, he plays RW. Is our RW REALLY that deep that this is even a true statement? Say we trade Eberle for Schenn. Say we trade Hemsky or he leaves as a UFA. Who else do we have? Omark? Then who? Our NHL depth is not fantastic in any position really, but the only position I'd say we have great depth in is LW. Everywhere else can be hurting really soon.

Even if we keep Eberle, we really only have him for the foreseeable future guaranteed. I like the odds that Hemsky stays. Omark is a question mark.

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07-21-2011, 06:38 PM
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Something around:

to Tor:

Jordan Eberle
Gilbert Brule

to Edm:

Luke Schenn
Colbourne or Gardiner
Late pick (3-5)

could be worked out.

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07-21-2011, 06:39 PM
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No from Edmonton, HELL NO.

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07-21-2011, 06:42 PM
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Something around:

to Tor:

Jordan Eberle
Gilbert Brule

to Edm:

Luke Schenn
Colbourne or Gardiner
Late pick (3-5)

could be worked out.

Sarcasm, right?

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07-21-2011, 06:50 PM
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Not to diminish anything Eberle has done, but Schenn has now played 3 NHL seasons, and has done a great job in his role (and gotten better and better) through each season.

Even if you like Eberle better (which is perfectly acceptable), it's hard to argue that Schenn isn't a lot more established. 231 NHL games vs 69 NHL games is a pretty big difference.
Both players have established themselves as legitimate NHL players. Schenn's two year head start doesn't change the fact that Eberle will be a top six forward in this league for a long time. Is Schenn more experienced? Definitely. More established as an NHL'er, or in his role? Nope, both have proven that they are where they should be.

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07-21-2011, 06:54 PM
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Not to diminish anything Eberle has done, but Schenn has now played 3 NHL seasons, and has done a great job in his role (and gotten better and better) through each season.

Even if you like Eberle better (which is perfectly acceptable), it's hard to argue that Schenn isn't a lot more established. 231 NHL games vs 69 NHL games is a pretty big difference.
While this is true that Schenn is more established, he made it seem like Eberle was completely unproven since he said "Schenn is the established player in the trade".

Schenn is without a doubt more established than Eberle, but Gagner is established more than both and probably has the least value of the 3 going forward, so years in the league shouldn't be a criteria of value.

Either way, neither team trades 21 year old building blocks unless it is in a package for an all-star player.

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Both players have established themselves as legitimate NHL players. Schenn's two year head start doesn't change the fact that Eberle will be a top six forward in this league for a long time. Is Schenn more experienced? Definitely. More established as an NHL'er, or in his role? Nope, both have proven that they are where they should be.
Yes, they have both established themselves as NHL players, but I don't think Eberle is nearly as established (starting to hate the word) because one season is simply not a long enough look at a player to properly assess what their role is going to be.

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07-21-2011, 07:16 PM
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How is Schenn much more established than Eberle? Eberle was playing effectively on the top line for most of the season last year...that sounds like he is pretty established to me.
being in the the top line in the worst team in the league isn't something to write home about

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07-21-2011, 07:23 PM
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being in the the top line in the worst team in the league isn't something to write home about
Wait, are you making that argument FOR Schenn?

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07-21-2011, 07:39 PM
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Holy cow. Another Tor/Edm proposal I wouldn't want Edmonton to have any part of... my socks have been blown off.

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07-21-2011, 07:41 PM
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being in the the top line in the worst team in the league isn't something to write home about
We might as well just trade everyone then...we can't possibly have any good players since we were the worst team in the league.

Show some humility man, it was just last year your team was in the basement with us. No point getting into that type of argument.

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If we wanted Eberle, we would have drafted him.
Just like you took kadri instead of MPS

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07-21-2011, 07:52 PM
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How is Schenn much more established than Eberle? Eberle was playing effectively on the top line for most of the season last year...that sounds like he is pretty established to me.
I love Eberle as much as the next Oiler fan and wouldn't do this trade but this is plain wrong. Schenn is clearly more established and further along in his development than Eberle although he does have 2 more years of NHL experience so that helps. Eberle did play very well in spurts last year but he has a ways to go to be considered established.
Eberle, just like most of our youngsters is more about what he will become as opposed to what he has proven.

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07-21-2011, 08:38 PM
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being in the the top line in the worst team in the league isn't something to write home about
Neither is being a "shutdown guy" on a team that finished bottom 5 in goals against.

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07-21-2011, 08:42 PM
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When did Eberle become the next elite superstar. He aint even better than Kulemin!!!

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07-21-2011, 08:45 PM
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My first crack at it... let me hear it

Leafs trade:

Luke Schenn (sign and trade) + Jussi Ryanas


Edmonton trades:

Jordan Eberle

Trying to figure out Eberle's potential. Can he be a #1 Center? Elite Level?
Agreed, your "first crack". Seriously that stuff will kill you.

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07-21-2011, 08:51 PM
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Leafs aren't trading Schenn. Oilers aren't trading Eberle, Paajarvi and Hall (just said it incase someone actually posts a trade involving Schenn and Hall or even RNH). The leafs and Oilers aren't good trading partners,

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07-21-2011, 09:30 PM
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When did Eberle become the next elite superstar. He aint even better than Kulemin!!!
Must be joking?

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07-21-2011, 09:37 PM
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lol why do leafs add rynnas?? Schenn has proven more than eberle has so far, why should leafs add more?

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07-21-2011, 09:38 PM
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As far as the fractions go on this one Schenn has 1/6 the offensive potential and although Eberle's defensive potential is 1/3 of Schenns it just doesn't add up for the Oilers on this one. The goalie really doesn't push it over the top because we have little need for a prospect goalie.

Now maybe add in Kadri and the Oilers add in a guy like Teubert (who Burke would love because he hits things) and we can make a deal here.

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Must be joking?
He really isn't.

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Neither team does it

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As far as the fractions go on this one Schenn has 1/6 the offensive potential and although Eberle's defensive potential is 1/3 of Schenns it just doesn't add up for the Oilers on this one. The goalie really doesn't push it over the top because we have little need for a prospect goalie.

Now maybe add in Kadri and the Oilers add in a guy like Teubert (who Burke would love because he hits things) and we can make a deal here.
Your fractions are hilarious, why not go full retard and bring out the <> too?

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As far as the fractions go on this one Schenn has 1/6 the offensive potential and although Eberle's defensive potential is 1/3 of Schenns it just doesn't add up for the Oilers on this one. The goalie really doesn't push it over the top because we have little need for a prospect goalie.

Now maybe add in Kadri and the Oilers add in a guy like Teubert (who Burke would love because he hits things) and we can make a deal here.
lolol now you've gone too far. Love how you pull these random fractions out of your ass too. i had a laugh with this one


kadri>>>tuebert AINEC, toronto gets shafted hard.

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Must be joking?
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He really isn't.
Look i can understand why neither team would do this trade.
Both Schenn and Eberle are gonna be special players,but to claim that Kulemin is better than Eberle is absurb.

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