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07-21-2011, 07:28 PM
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Tor - Phi

* disclaimer - if you wouldnt trade jvr for the whole leafs roster, just move on as i dont value your opinion


James Van Riemsdyk


Luke Schenn (sign and trade)
Tyler Biggs
2012 - 4th round pick

For cap issues: Laperriere to LTIR, Shelley waived. with JVR traded clears roughly 4.1 (I believe), which would be ample to fit Schenn and likely leave a bit of flexibility.


Flyers get a stud dman who lead the league in hits by a defenseman and was one of only 2 defenders to break 200 hits and 150 blocked shots. He also brings youth to an aging d-core that could lose key pieces to retirement in the coming years. They also add a prospect from the first round (their pick) who could step into a 3rd line checking forward role in 2-3 years.

The Leafs add another young skilled forward to the lineup that has tremendous upside. JVR scored 21 goals in his second season who uses his large frame to his advantage.

Lines:

jvr - connolly - kessel
kulemin - grabovski - macarthur
kadri/lupul - lomardi/bozak - armstrong
brown - bozak/boyce/dupuis - orr

phaneuf - aulie
liles - franson
gunarsson - komisarek
lashoff

reimer
gustavsson



hartnell - briere - jagr
read - giroux - voracek
nodl - schenn - simmonds
betts - talbot - holmstrom
sestito

schenn - pronger
timonen - coburn
meszaros - lilja/carle
lilja/bartulis

bryz
bob


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07-21-2011, 07:34 PM
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Toronto's adding?

Schenn is more proven, younger, and so far the better player, why would Leafs be adding their recently 22nd overall pick for JVR who showed up for one playoff series since entering the league?

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07-21-2011, 07:36 PM
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Leafs fans just dont stop
Quality > Quantity

Also i guess Talbot retired

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Leafs will only trade Schenn in a packge for a number one centre.

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Yeah I'll pass from Toronto's side. Nothing against JVR. He'll be good.

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07-21-2011, 07:39 PM
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Leafs say no. Schenn is a great piece to have for us going forward.

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07-21-2011, 07:40 PM
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Leafs fans just dont stop

Quality > quantity
the fact that you justify a no with this trade with the quantity / quality "reason" is laughable ... schenn is shaping into one of the best shutdown, hard hitting d-men in the league... theres no value in a player like him???

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Leafs fans just dont stop
Quality > Quantity

Also i guess Talbot retired
my apologies on forgetting the all-mighty talbot ... insert him where you please

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07-21-2011, 07:41 PM
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Leafs fans just dont stop

Quality > quantity
Sometimes Philly fans are just as dumb as the 'stereotypical' TO fans you're referring to. Schenn has huge upside and is a quality player. So I don't really know what you're talking about.

If this trade were to go down we'd be able to trade Carle and get a quality winger coming back in case Read can't handle the NHL.

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07-21-2011, 07:44 PM
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Toronto's adding?

Schenn is more proven, younger, and so far the better player, why would Leafs be adding their recently 22nd overall pick for JVR who showed up for one playoff series since entering the league?
Yes, Toronto would have to. You're getting a young top line winger who just scored 20+ goals in his second season in the league and improved all year long. And did you watch Philadelphia in the playoffs? JVR was the only player to show up in the Boston series for Philadelphia, to say he only had one good playoff series is just silly.

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i'd say Schenn for JVR is fair value imo

not so fond of adding Biggs (the pick means nuthing) as i think he will at least be a very good 3rd liner who may develop into a Lucic type (my fingers are crossed)

i wouldnt do this trade because we would be stuck with Lupul's 4.25 on the 3rd line... and JVR is going to need a big raise the same time Kulemin and Grabo do... not a good idea

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07-21-2011, 07:46 PM
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Sometimes Philly fans are just as dumb as the 'stereotypical' TO fans you're referring to. Schenn has huge upside and is a quality player. So I don't really know what you're talking about.

If this trade were to go down we'd be able to trade Carle and get a quality winger coming back in case Read can't handle the NHL.
Or we could just keep a quality winger in JVR?

Schenn is good. He's actually great. But it makes no sense to trade JVR for him when we can grab a good young defender by way of NOT losing a budding star winger, which by the way, we are still weak at.

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07-21-2011, 07:49 PM
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Leafs fans just dont stop
Quality > Quantity

Also i guess Talbot retired
Maybe u should watch Schenn play before making a dumb comment. As for the proposal, JVR is gonna be a good player but Burke would hang up the phone, if Holmgren asked Schenn for him (JVR).

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No from both sides.

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Counter:

Brayden Schenn
Matt Carle
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Luke Schenn
Joe Colbourn
2012 1st


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Or we could just keep a quality winger in JVR?

Schenn is good. He's actually great. But it makes no sense to trade JVR for him when we can grab a good young defender by way of NOT losing a budding star winger, which by the way, we are still weak at.
Yea we could. When and where can we grab a good young defender without trading a good player in return? Unless you meant a long ways down the road with 2012 free agency.

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Yes, Toronto would have to. You're getting a young top line winger who just scored 20+ goals in his second season in the league and improved all year long. And did you watch Philadelphia in the playoffs? JVR was the only player to show up in the Boston series for Philadelphia, to say he only had one good



playoff series is just silly.
Not sure if your serious, but there is no reason for Flyers to say NO if this was what offered.

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Not sure if your serious, but there is no reason for Flyers to say NO if this was what offered.
What am I not serious about?

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Counter:

Brayden Schenn
Matt Carle
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Luke Schenn
Joe Colbourn
2012 1st

That's not really comparable to the OP...



The reason I gave this one a quick no is because JVR is exactly the player we need for the long haul. We could use Schenn, too, no doubt, but we also have to keep in mind Schenn's salary this year would put us over the cap. So what do we do? Trade Carle? Awesome, we lose offensive production on D and O and gain defensive production on D. That sends us backwards for sure.

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I'm not really keen on adding Biggs with Schenn to get JVR.

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07-21-2011, 07:58 PM
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It's good value for Flyers, but it addresses 0 needs and really doesn't help them at all.

Same with Toronto, doesn't help them 1 bit... JVR is a right wing I believe, so unless he plays offwing they can't even match him with Kessel...lol

This would be a great trade in the "Make a good trade value wise, but bad for both teams" thread.

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No thanks from the flyers POV

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Toronto's adding?

Schenn is more proven, younger, and so far the better player, why would Leafs be adding their recently 22nd overall pick for JVR who showed up for one playoff series since entering the league?
JVR's one playoff series puts him up on Schenn though, no?


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What is it with leaf fans? Guys Carter is gone. Oh I see, Stamkos is not available anymore so you have to come bother us. But to respond to your proposal the Flyers say no.

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07-21-2011, 08:18 PM
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Yea we could. When and where can we grab a good young defender without trading a good player in return? Unless you meant a long ways down the road with 2012 free agency.
You think it would be a better idea to trade JVR for Schenn, then trade Carle for a top six winger instead of waiting until 2012 to nab Suter? Why do we have to trade for a good young defender when we already have a great top 5? The whole good, YOUNG, defender thing wont come in handy until Pronger and/or Timonen are gone, so what is wrong with waiting and NOT losing JVR?

So much wrong with that. Not to mention, the return Carle would get would be so far from filling the hole that trading JVR would make.

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07-21-2011, 08:36 PM
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The only way a deal like this would happen is if the Flyers couldn't get a defenseman during next offseason. Until that time, they really don't need to do something like this for the upcoming season.

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