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08-03-2004, 07:39 PM
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Best NHL Rookie of All-Time

Who is the Best NHL Rookie of All-Time:

Wayne Gretzky

Bobby Orr

Mike Bossy

Mario Lemieux

Teemu Selanne(do you know how many goals this guy scored in his rookie season!!!)

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Selanne by a country mile.

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Definitely Selanne... 76 goals as a rookie!! That will never get broken.

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My choice would be Ken Dryden. He had 6 games of NHL experience entering the 1970-71 playoffs when he was the difference in the Habs winning the Cup. He won the Conn Smythe and then the Calder the following year.

Honourable mention to Tom Barrasso, Mike Bossy, Mario Lemieux, Peter Stasny, Ray Bourque and Bobby Orr.

Wayne Gretzky and Teemu Selanne had played pro before their first NHL seasons.

Dryden had the biggest impact of those players in his first season. imo

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08-03-2004, 08:01 PM
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Well, not completely true. The NHL ruled that Gretzky was a pro because he played in the WHA. Selanne was not considered a pro by the NHL.


What about Larry Murphy? 76 points as a rookie dman.

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Selanne without a doubt.. 76 goals in a rookie season is unbelievable...

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I didn't try to diminish his accomplishment. Selanne had a heckuva first year but he waited a couple of years before coming to the NHL.

Some other super rookie years...Tony Esposito had 15 shutouts, Barrasso won the Vezina as an 18 year old.

But Dryden literally led his team to the Cup, which for me was the biggest impact a rookie had in his first year.

Edit: I should add Patrick Roy to the honourable mention list...He also won the Conn Smythe trophy his first year leading the Habs to the Cup.


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Selanne: 76 goals, 132 points. Hot damn!!

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08-03-2004, 08:42 PM
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Selanne...No contest.

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08-03-2004, 09:59 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shadoz19
Selanne...No contest.
Your right no contest
Ken Dryden

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Teemu...no one can even score 76 goals now, let alone a rookie.

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Have to go with Selanne here. More goals and only a couple less points than Gretzky in his rookie year. If Gretzky had the better year I'd count him, even if the NHL didn't, for the purposes of this thread. By the very essence of the word he was a rookie; he simply wasn't eligible for the Calder.

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Soon as i saw this thread, i thought Selanne.

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Best Rookies - All-Time

LW

Player Name -- SEASON -- PTS -- Franch.
===================================
Stastny Anton -- 1980-81 -- 85 -- COL
Robitaille Luc -- 1986-87 -- 84 -- LA
Renberg Mikael -- 1993-94 -- 82 -- PHI
Propp Brian -- 1979-80 -- 75 -- PHI
Martin Rick -- 1971-72 -- 74 -- BUF

Lukowich Morris -- 1979-80 -- 74 -- PHO
Pettersson Jorgen -- 1980-81 -- 73 -- STL
Kvartalnov Dmitri -- 1992-93 -- 72 -- BOS
Turgeon Sylvain -- 1983-84 -- 72 -- CAR
Naslund Mats -- 1982-83 -- 71 -- MTL


C

Player Name -- SEASON -- PTS -- Franch.
=================================
Gretzky Wayne -- 1979-80 -- 137 -- EDM
Stastny Peter -- 1980-81 -- 109 -- COL
Rogers Mike -- 1979-80 -- 105 -- CAR
Hawerchuk Dale -- 1981-82 -- 103 -- PHO
Juneau Joe -- 1992-93 -- 102 -- BOS

Lemieux Mario -- 1984-85 -- 100 -- PIT
Broten Neal -- 1981-82 -- 98 -- DAL
Trottier Bryan -- 1975-76 -- 95 -- NYI
Nilsson Kent -- 1979-80 -- 93 -- CGY
Nieuwendyk Joe -- 1987-88 -- 92 -- CGY
Pederson Barry -- 1981-82 -- 92 -- BOS


R

Player Name -- SEASON -- PTS -- Franch.
===============================
Selanne Teemu -- 1992-93 -- 132 -- PHO
Macdonald Blair -- 1979-80 -- 94 -- EDM
Bossy Mike -- 1977-78 -- 91 -- NYI
Larmer Steve -- 1982-83 -- 90 -- CHI
Cloutier Real -- 1979-80 -- 89 -- COL

Stastny Marian -- 1981-82 -- 89 -- COL
Makarov Sergei -- 1989-90 -- 86 -- CGY
Hedberg Anders -- 1978-79 -- 78 -- NYR
Kurri Jari -- 1980-81 -- 75 -- EDM
Borschevsky Nikolai -- 1992-93 -- 74 -- TOR


D

Player Name -- SEASON -- PTS -- Franch.
=============================
Howe Mark -- 1979-80 -- 80 -- CAR
Murphy Larry -- 1980-81 -- 76 -- LA
Leetch Brian -- 1988-89 -- 71 -- NYR
Suter Gary -- 1985-86 -- 68 -- CGY
Housley Phil -- 1982-83 -- 66 -- BUF

Bourque Ray -- 1979-80 -- 65 -- BOS
Chelios Chris -- 1984-85 -- 64 -- MTL
Beck Barry -- 1977-78 -- 60 -- NJ
Larson Reed -- 1977-78 -- 60 -- DET
Lidstrom Nicklas -- 1991-92 -- 60 -- DET




If Use "Adjusted Points" (see "Total Hockey 2 ed.")

LW

Player Name -- SEASON -- Franch. -- Age -- Adj PTS
======================================
Denneny Cy -- 1917-18 -- OTT1 -- 27 -- 92
Noble Reg -- 1917-18 -- TOR -- 23 -- 84
Siebert Babe -- 1925-26 -- MTM -- 22 -- 81
Malone Joe -- 1917-18 -- MTL -- 28 -- 78
Cook Bun -- 1926-27 -- NYR -- 23 -- 73
Martin Rick -- 1971-72 -- BUF -- 21 -- 71
Renberg Mikael -- 1993-94 -- PHI -- 22 -- 69
Day Hap -- 1924-25 -- TOR -- 24 -- 69
Schriner Sweeney -- 1934-35 -- NYA -- 24 -- 69
Hay George -- 1926-27 -- CHI -- 29 -- 68

Robitaille Luc -- 1986-87 -- LA -- 21 -- 68
Sheppard Johnny -- 1926-27 -- DET -- 24 -- 66
Denneny Corbett -- 1917-18 -- TOR -- 24 -- 66
Darragh Harry -- 1925-26 -- PTP -- 24 -- 64
Grant Danny -- 1968-69 -- DAL -- 24 -- 64
Conacher Roy -- 1938-39 -- BOS -- 23 -- 64
Kariya Paul -- 1994-95 -- ANA -- 21 -- 63
Stastny Anton -- 1980-81 -- COL -- 22 -- 61
Olmstead Bert -- 1949-50 -- CHI -- 24 -- 61
Lewis Herbie -- 1928-29 -- DET -- 24 -- 60


C

Player Name -- SEASON -- Franch. -- Age -- Adj PTS
======================================
Blair Andy -- 1928-29 -- TOR -- 21 -- 137
Irvin Dick -- 1926-27 -- CHI -- 35 -- 129
Stewart Nels -- 1925-26 -- MTM -- 24 -- 113
Gretzky Wayne -- 1979-80 -- EDM -- 19 -- 107
Frederickson Frank -- 1926-27 -- BOS -- 32 -- 102
Rogers Mike -- 1979-80 -- CAR -- 26 -- 82
Apps C.J. Syl -- 1936-37 -- TOR -- 22 -- 81
Weiland Cooney -- 1928-29 -- BOS -- 24 -- 80
Forsberg Peter -- 1994-95 -- COL -- 22 -- 78
Stastny Peter -- 1980-81 -- COL -- 25 -- 77

Trottier Bryan -- 1975-76 -- NYI -- 20 -- 75
Juneau Joe -- 1992-93 -- BOS -- 25 -- 75
Lemieux Mario -- 1984-85 -- PIT -- 20 -- 75
Hawerchuk Dale -- 1981-82 -- PHO -- 19 -- 74
Nilsson Kent -- 1979-80 -- CGY -- 24 -- 73
Nieuwendyk Joe -- 1987-88 -- CGY -- 22 -- 73
Keats Duke -- 1926-27 -- -- 32 -- 72
Dionne Marcel -- 1971-72 -- DET -- 21 -- 71
Broten Neal -- 1981-82 -- DAL -- 23 -- 70
Gomez Scott -- 1999-00 -- NJ -- 21 -- 68



R

Player Name -- SEASON -- Franch. -- Age -- Adj PTS
======================================
Selanne Teemu -- 1992-93 -- PHO -- 23 -- 103
Bailey Ace I. -- 1926-27 -- TOR -- 24 -- 97
Ward Jimmy -- 1928-29 -- MTM -- 23 -- 95
Cook Bill -- 1926-27 -- NYR -- 29 -- 80
Bossy Mike -- 1977-78 -- NYI -- 21 -- 78
Cleghorn Odie -- 1918-19 -- MTL -- 28 -- 77
Macdonald Blair -- 1979-80 -- EDM -- 27 -- 74
Geoffrion Bernie -- 1951-52 -- MTL -- 21 -- 71
Cloutier Real -- 1979-80 -- COL -- 24 -- 70
Heatley Dany -- 2001-02 -- ATL -- 21 -- 70

Larmer Steve -- 1982-83 -- CHI -- 22 -- 68
Ryder Michael -- 2003-04 -- MTL -- 24 -- 68 - !!!!!!!!!!!
Makarov Sergei -- 1989-90 -- CGY -- 32 -- 65
Oliver Harry -- 1926-27 -- BOS -- 27 -- 64
Stastny Marian -- 1981-82 -- COL -- 29 -- 64
Mosienko Bill -- 1943-44 -- CHI -- 23 -- 63
Litzenberger Ed -- 1954-55 -- CHI -- 23 -- 63
Peirson Johnny -- 1948-49 -- BOS -- 24 -- 62
Hedberg Anders -- 1978-79 -- NYR -- 28 -- 61

DEF

Player Name -- SEASON -- Franch. -- Age -- Adj PTS
======================================
Cameron Harry -- 1917-18 -- TOR -- 28 -- 66
Howe Mark -- 1979-80 -- CAR -- 25 -- 62
Reise Leo Sr. -- 1921-22 -- HAM -- 30 -- 59
Connors Bobby -- 1928-29 -- DET -- 25 -- 59
Fraser Gord -- 1926-27 -- CHI -- 25 -- 57
Zidlicky Marek -- 2003-04 -- NSH -- 27 -- 55 - !!!!!!!!!
Leetch Brian -- 1988-89 -- NYR -- 21 -- 54
Shore Eddie -- 1926-27 -- BOS -- 25 -- 54
Murphy Larry -- 1980-81 -- LA -- 20 -- 53
Bourque Ray -- 1979-80 -- BOS -- 20 -- 50

Beck Barry -- 1977-78 -- NJ -- 21 -- 50
Tallon Dale -- 1970-71 -- VAN -- 21 -- 49
Larson Reed -- 1977-78 -- DET -- 22 -- 49
Suter Gary -- 1985-86 -- CGY -- 22 -- 49
Housley Phil -- 1982-83 -- BUF -- 19 -- 49
Svehla Robert -- 1995-96 -- FLA -- 27 -- 48
Cleghorn Sprague -- 1918-19 -- OTT1 -- 29 -- 48
Potvin Denis -- 1973-74 -- NYI -- 21 -- 47
Lidstrom Nicklas -- 1991-92 -- DET -- 22 -- 47

without taking into account age


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Selane but a noteable mention to Belfour. 43 wins i believe

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"ROOKIE GOALIES - BEST WIN-LOSE DIF."

GOALIE NAME -- Season -- GAMES -- WIN -- W-L -- Team
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Durnan Bill -- 1943-44 -- 50 -- 38 -- 33 -- MTL
Sawchuk Terry -- 1950-51 -- 70 -- 44 -- 31 -- DET
Moog Andy -- 1982-83 -- 50 -- 33 -- 25 -- EDM
Peeters Pete -- 1979-80 -- 40 -- 29 -- 24 -- PHI
Brimsek Frankie -- 1938-39 -- 43 -- 33 -- 24 -- BOS

Belfour Ed -- 1990-91 -- 74 -- 43 -- 24 -- CHI
Fuhr Grant -- 1981-82 -- 48 -- 28 -- 23 -- EDM
Rollins Al -- 1950-51 -- 40 -- 27 -- 22 -- TOR
Edwards Don -- 1977-78 -- 72 -- 38 -- 22 -- BUF
Esposito Tony -- 1969-70 -- 63 -- 38 -- 21 -- CHI

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Everyone seems to be saying Selanne.....and its hard to argue....I do have issue with the "no contest" remarks however....consider this....

Selanne tied for lead league in goals and was 5th in scoring his rookie season. Had Mario played more than 60 games that season its fair to say #66 would have lead the league in goals...Selanne played in all 84 games

Bossy missed 7 games his rookie season and was still 2nd in the NHL in goals and 6th in scoring.....

Now I am not saying his season was better.....or best....but compared to the rest of the NHL he was ranked very closely to where Selanne was.....while missing some action no less

When Selanne scored 76....14 players scored 50 or more

When Bossy scored 53....he was one of 2 players that scored 50 or more....and again, he missed 7 games

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Quote:
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Soon as i saw this thread, i thought Selanne.
Took the words right out of my mouth. The season Selanne had was just amazing. Sure he did'nt take the Jets to the cup like Dryden and Roy, but this is a feat that will never be touched IMO.

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If you dont take the fact that Selanne was about 22 years old during his rookie season into account, he definately had the most impressive rookie season

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After looking at those "Adjusted Points" I'm gonna have to go with the homer pick Andy Blair!

If only he hadn't died several decades before I was born. Oh well.

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Gretzky, Selanne, Dryden, and Roy are my top 4 best Rookies ever.

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"ROOKIES - TOP 5 IN SCORING (season)"

Player Name -- SEASON -- TEAM -- Age -- Adj. PTS -- Place
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Blair Andy -- 1928-29 -- TOR -- 21 -- 137 -- 3
Irvin Dick -- 1926-27 -- CHI -- 35 -- 129 -- 2
Stewart Nels -- 1925-26 -- MTM -- 24 -- 113 -- 1
Gretzky Wayne -- 1979-80 -- EDM -- 19 -- 107 -- 1
Selanne Teemu -- 1992-93 -- PHO -- 23 -- 103 -- 5
Frederickson Frank -- 1926-27 -- BOS -- 32 -- 102 -- 4
Denneny Cy -- 1917-18 -- OTT1 -- 27 -- 92 -- 2
Noble Reg -- 1917-18 -- TOR -- 23 -- 84 -- 3
Rogers Mike -- 1979-80 -- CAR -- 26 -- 82 -- 4
Apps C.J. Syl -- 1936-37 -- TOR -- 22 -- 81 -- 2
Cook Bill -- 1926-27 -- NYR -- 29 -- 80 -- 1
Malone Joe -- 1917-18 -- MTL -- 28 -- 78 -- 1
Cleghorn Odie -- 1918-19 -- MTL -- 28 -- 77 -- 2
Denneny Corbett -- 1917-18 -- TOR -- 24 -- 66 -- 5
Lalonde Newsy -- 1917-18 -- MTL -- 31 -- 62 -- 4

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"NHL PLAYERS - BEST PLAY OFF DEBUT"

Player --- Season ---- Team -- pos ---- PO Games --- PO G --PO A --- PO PTS
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Recchi Mark -- 1990-91 ---- PIT ---- RW -- 24 -- 10 -- 24 -- 34

Ciccarelli Dino --- 1980-81 ---- DAL ---- RW -- 19 -- 14 -- 7 -- 21
Kovalev Alexei --- 1993-94 ---- NYR --- C -- 23 -- 9 -- 12 -- 21
Maloney Don --- 1978-79 ---- NYR ---- LW -- 18 -- 7 -- 13 -- 20

Simpson Craig ---- 1987-88 ---- EDM ---- LW -- 19 -- 13 -- 6 -- 19
Lemieux Mario --- 1988-89 ---- PIT ---- C -- 11 -- 12 -- 7 -- 19
Zubov Sergei ---- 1993-94 ---- NYR ---- D -- 22 -- 5 -- 14 -- 19
Maclean John ---- 1987-88 ---- NJ ---- RW -- 20 -- 7 -- 11 -- 18
Pederson Barry ---- 1981-82 ---- BOS ---- C -- 11 -- 7 -- 11 -- 18
Richard Maurice ---- 1943-44 ---- MTL ---- RW -- 9 -- 12 -- 5 -- 17
Gaborik Marian ---- 2002-03 ---- MIN ---- LW -- 18 -- 9 -- 8 -- 17 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stastny Marian ---- 1981-82 ---- COL ---- RW -- 16 -- 3 -- 14 -- 17

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