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08-04-2004, 07:44 AM
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Selanne I think was the best ever. Surprisingly Joey Juneau had an awesome rookie season, he had summon like just over 100 points, maybe 103 if I can remeber correctly.

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While Selanne certainly had a great rookie season, I'll have to give Gretzky the slight nod.

Wayne Gretzky

79gp - 51g - 86a - 137pts.

Tied for the NHL scoring lead.
5th in the NHL in goals
1st in assists
Hart Trophy
Land Byng Trophy
Would have won the Calder in a landslide.

Teemu Selanne

84gp - 76g - 56a - 132 pts.

5th in NHL scoring
Tied for league lead in goals
Calder Trophy Winner



Another note ... Selanne was 22, Gretzky was 18.


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08-04-2004, 08:13 AM
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Nels Stewart didn't win the Calder, as he was a rookie before it was created, but he's the only rookie to win the Hart Trophy and "Art Ross". Nels Stewart led the NHL in goals and points as a rookie. He also led his team to a Stanley Cup by scoring 6 of his teams 10 goals, he also got 1 assist, in 4 games, while playing much of the series as a defenseman.

So to recap: He won the Hart. He led the league in goals, a "Richard Trophy", points, an "Art Ross", during both the regular season and playoffs. He would have easily won the Calder and Conn Smythe if they had been around. I guess one should also note that he finished second in PIM to top it off. All-in-all a heck of a year.


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Nels Stewart didn't win the Calder, as he was a rookie before it was created, but he's the only rookie to win the Hart Trophy. Nels Stewart led the NHL in goals and points as a rookie. He also led his team to a Stanley Cup by scoring 6 of his teams 10 goals, he also got 1 assist, in 4 games, while playing much of the series as a defenseman.

So to recap: He won the Hart. He led the league in goals, a "Richard Trophy", points, an "Art Ross", during both the regular season and playoffs. He would have easily won the Calder and Conn Smythe if they had been around. I guess one should also note that he finished second in PIM to top it off. All-in-all a heck of a year.
Although Gretzky wasn't technically a rookie, he was 18 and did win the Hart Trophy.

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Although Gretzky wasn't technically a rookie, he was 18 and did win the Hart Trophy.
Well Nels was a "rookie, while Gretzky was a "first year NHL player", so it is correct, but I can change it to the only rookie to win the Hart and "Art Ross".

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08-05-2004, 12:44 PM
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Who is the Best NHL Rookie of All-Time:

Wayne Gretzky

Bobby Orr

Mike Bossy

Mario Lemieux

Teemu Selanne(do you know how many goals this guy scored in his rookie season!!!)
I go with the best player of all time Bobby Orr.

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Selanne and gretzky

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I go with the best player of all time Bobby Orr.
What was so special about Orr's rookie season? I certainly wouldn't say he was in the class of the other's mentioned here.

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Selanne: 76 goals, 132 points. Hot damn!!
Wayne Gretzky: 51 goals, 86 assists, 137 points AS A 19 YEAR OLD, not a 22 year old like Selanne.

Although I will agree I doubt very much if ANY rookie will ever score 76 goals again. That WAS incredible! But Gretzky led the NHL in scoring as a rookie! With one of the highest (at the time) scoring totals ever (the record at that time was 152 points).

Ken Dryden's ROOKIE season was pretty good, but he was exceptional in the playoffs THE SEASON BEFORE his rookie year of 1971-72. He only played 6 games in 1971 before the playoffs. But 39 wins as a rookie goalie was still pretty darn good!
Mike Bossy's 53 goals as a rookie was the record before Selanne came along, but once again Bossy was an 18 year old, and hockey was still in a defensive age at that time. And 91 points was pretty good, although a few more assists would have been nice.

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Selenne!

No question about it.

Goal scoring anyway.

Sure, 18 and 22 years old, but didnt Gretz was playing as an under ager during most of his playing career, if that is true, then he is used to playing against people who are bigger, faster, and older than him.. in a sense, even tho on paper he is only 18, but he is more like a 22 year old, accustomed to the faster/tougher pace of the game?

Anyhow, its hard to discount Gretzky, because he is the great one!

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If you are counting Gretzky then he and Selanne are both pretty close. When I posted earlier I wasn't really thinking about him since he wasn't Calder eligible.

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08-05-2004, 04:42 PM
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If you are counting Gretzky then he and Selanne are both pretty close. When I posted earlier I wasn't really thinking about him since he wasn't Calder eligible.
Yeah, but that was just due to a technicality. Gretzky and Selanne had the best "performance(s) by a first-year NHL player" in my opinion, which is kinda how the rules reads.
Although Rick Martin scoring 44 goals for the lowly Sabres in one of the most defensive eras of all-time was pretty impressive, too.

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Wayne Gretzky: 51 goals, 86 assists, 137 points AS A 19 YEAR OLD, not a 22 year old like Selanne.

Although I will agree I doubt very much if ANY rookie will ever score 76 goals again. That WAS incredible! But Gretzky led the NHL in scoring as a rookie! With one of the highest (at the time) scoring totals ever (the record at that time was 152 points).

Ken Dryden's ROOKIE season was pretty good, but he was exceptional in the playoffs THE SEASON BEFORE his rookie year of 1971-72. He only played 6 games in 1971 before the playoffs. But 39 wins as a rookie goalie was still pretty darn good!
Mike Bossy's 53 goals as a rookie was the record before Selanne came along, but once again Bossy was an 18 year old, and hockey was still in a defensive age at that time. And 91 points was pretty good, although a few more assists would have been nice.
Ages:
Gretzky was 18 when he started his first NHL season.
Bossy was 20.
Selanne was 22.

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"BEST ROOKIE COACHES"

Coach--Age--Year--Team--Games--Win--Lose--1 Place--% Win--CUP--Final
================================================== =========
GREEN Peter----1919-20--OTT1--24--19--5--yes--0,792--yes--0

JOHNSON Thomas --43--1970-71--BOS--78--57--14--yes--0,776--no--no
GUIDOLIN Bep--48--1972-73--BOS--26--20--6--no--0,769--no--no

GILL David M. ----1926-27--OTT1--44--30--10--yes--0,727--yes--0
QUINN Patrick --37--1979-80--PHI--80--48--12--yes--0,725--no--yes

BURNS Patrick --37--1988-89--MTL--80--53--18--no--0,719--no--yes
BLAKE Toe --44--1955-56--MTL--70--45--15--yes--0,714--yes--0

SMITH Floyd--40--1974-75--BUF--80--49--16--no--0,706--no--yes
KEENAN Michael--36--1984-85--PHI--80--53--20--yes--0,706--no--yes
GRANATO Tony--39--2002-03--COL--51--32--11--no--0,706--no--no


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