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07-22-2011, 07:00 PM
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Rangers re-sign Ryan Callahan [3 years, $4.275M per]

Other one is closing in on 1k.

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RealKyperNick Kypreos

#NHL news. Hearing #Rangers Ryan Callahan will not being going to an arb hearing as he's settled on signing a new 3 year deal.

NYDNRangersJesse Spector

Confirmed that Ryan Callahan deal is now done, as #NYR avoids arbitration with last restricted free agent.

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Dubinsky and Callahan have discussed their contract situations



http://blogs.northjersey.com/blogs/r...get_deal_done/
This makes me feel very good/confident that a long-term deal will get done shortly (no pun intended) with Callahan. The fact that he and Dubinsky are very good friends gives me confidence that Callahan wants to be here with Dubinsky. Cally doesn't want arbitration and I think he signs rather quickly.

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Gretzky looks good in that picture

Can't wait to hear the terms of the eventual deal.

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I expect this to be done sometime around Tuesday or Wednesday.

I don't see this one getting close to arbitration.

Could be wrong again though

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I'd take a shot at:

$22M over 5 years:

Year 1 (RFA year): $3.5M
Year 2: $4M
Year 3: $4.5M
Year 4: $5M
Year 5: $5M

$4.4M cap hit.

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I'd take a shot at:

$22M over 5 years:

Year 1 (RFA year): $3.5M
Year 2: $4M
Year 3: $4.5M
Year 4: $5M
Year 5: $5M

$4.4M cap hit.
This seems like a fair number for Cally. I really don't want much more than that too.

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Has to be 3 or 5.

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5 years/25 mill would be my guess. Could be wrong but we would buy out 4 UFA years with Cally. We bought out 2 UFA years from Duby. Those extra 2 on a 5 year deal will cost us more.

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I'd take a shot at:

$22M over 5 years:

Year 1 (RFA year): $3.5M
Year 2: $4M
Year 3: $4.5M
Year 4: $5M
Year 5: $5M

$4.4M cap hit.
This is Ladd numbers, perfect for Callahan. Similar intangibles, captain of the Jets. Slightly more if it's 6 years, a little less if 4. 5 or 6 years would be good. Don't see how some peg him at $5 per year. That's Kesler territory.

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6yrs $27m

4m

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4.5 cap hit

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You would have to figure the contract starts with the same RFA # as Dubinsky, 3.75 in the RFA year and go from there. Dubinsky then got 4.65 in his UFA years.

3.75
4.65
4.65
4.65=4.425 cap hit for 4yrs or
4.65=4.47 cap hit for 5yrs

If they gave Callahan the exact same deal. Maybe he gets a bump in year 5?

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5 million for Callahan? The guy barely broke 20 goals twice and has never had a 50 point season. Yeah I realize what else he brings but to me 5 million per is too much, UFA years or not.

I'm hoping 3-4 million which is what he is worth.

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5 million for Callahan? The guy barely broke 20 goals twice and has never had a 50 point season. Yeah I realize what else he brings but to me 5 million per is too much, UFA years or not.

I'm hoping 3-4 million which is what he is worth.
Unless it's a one year deal, there is absolutely zero chance that his deal has a cap hit under $4M. If the contract is 3-5 years, it's going to be between $4.2M and $4.5M. That's just the reality of the market as dictated by comparable players/contracts. Under $4M would be awesome, but it's completely unrealistic.

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5 million for Callahan? The guy barely broke 20 goals twice and has never had a 50 point season. Yeah I realize what else he brings but to me 5 million per is too much, UFA years or not.

I'm hoping 3-4 million which is what he is worth.
I'm a Cally fan but he's been vastly overrated on these boards the past few weeks.

He's not as good offensively as Dubinsky is and that's what makes these guys their money. If he signs for 4 years, it will be equal to or less than the 4.2 Duby got. Yes, I know 4 years would be buying 3 UFA years. I don't see the contract going over 4.5M no matter how long he signs for.

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And where the **** is my edit button?

Emma Royd basically said the same thing as I did.

Anything more than 4.5M cap hit and I think real hard about letting him walk...

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5 million for Callahan? The guy barely broke 20 goals twice and has never had a 50 point season. Yeah I realize what else he brings but to me 5 million per is too much, UFA years or not.

I'm hoping 3-4 million which is what he is worth.
$5 million is stretching it for sure, but at the same time all of us know just how important he is. I'm sure Bartlett is holding everything he can over our heads but hopefully saner heads prevail. He should end up with Dubi's contract almost identically, with slightly more money due to the UFA years and what not.

If the Cally we saw last year is who we get for the length of this next contract, $5 million still might be stretching it but I wouldn't even mind. Kid was straight ballin' last year.

Like Dubi, Cally's worth is based on so much more than numbers.

During negotiations that might make it a difficult thing to assess. As a Rangers fan, it's what I'm loving most about this team.

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Unless it's a one year deal, there is absolutely zero chance that his deal has a cap hit under $4M. If the contract is 3-5 years, it's going to be between $4.2M and $4.5M. That's just the reality of the market as dictated by comparable players/contracts. Under $4M would be awesome, but it's completely unrealistic.
I could live with 4 or 4.2 even but if we start getting to 4.7 to 5 is what i'm not liking.

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I could live with 4 or 4.2 even but if we start getting to 4.7 to 5 is what i'm not liking.
I don't think it will for a few reasons. If a deal gets signed you'd have to assume it's going to be between 4-6 years. While they would be buying out multiple UFA years the length of the deal would hopefully bring down the cap hit some. Real dollars aren't relevant to any of us, it's the cap hit that matters.

If a deal does not get done, it will go to arbitration. He is not getting anywhere near what you fear on a one year deal from an arbitrator.

Where you would have to worry is if it does go to arbitration there is zero reason for Cally to re-sign before becoming a UFA at the end of next season. If he gets there SOMEONE is going to give him that, and you'd have to decide whether or not you would be willing to.

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You would have to figure the contract starts with the same RFA # as Dubinsky, 3.75 in the RFA year and go from there. Dubinsky then got 4.65 in his UFA years.

3.75
4.65
4.65
4.65=4.425 cap hit for 4yrs or
4.65=4.47 cap hit for 5yrs

If they gave Callahan the exact same deal. Maybe he gets a bump in year 5?
If you're tying it to Dubi - and I wonder if you can't justify a little bit less in year 2 - then I would think you're looking at something like:


3.75
4.65
4.65
5.0
AAV = 4.5125

or

3.75
4.65
4.65
5.0
5.0
AAV = 4.61



Personally, I'm hoping that they are able to get a bit more of a concession on terms in exchange for the extra year and the two sides can perhaps agree that they're paying Dubi for some offensive upside that Cally doesn't have. Resulting deal looks like:

3.75
4.25
4.5
4.5
4.75
AAV = 4.35

Either way, they're going to pretty closely connected. I can't see a scenario where the two players are separated by more than a couple hundred thousand in AAV.

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If Cally had kept us his pace for 82 games last year he would have scored 30 goals. I don't doubt that if he play a full season and gets PP time in front of the net, he could hit 30.

I would be totally fine with a 4.5 cap hit.

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5 million for Callahan? The guy barely broke 20 goals twice and has never had a 50 point season.
He had 48 points in 60 games. If he played a full season, or hell, even 5 more games, he'd have broken the 50 point mark. So, in a technical sense, sure, you could say "he's never broken 50 points", but he basically did last season, and he certainly has shown he is capable of putting up that type of production.

As for breaking the 20 goal mark, these are his seasons in the NHL:

YearGamesGoals
06-07144
07-08528
08-098122
09-107719
10-116023

In each of his seasons as a top-6 player for the Rangers, he has produced at roughly a ~.28 or so GPG clip -- which is 20 goals over 82 games. You can rely on him for 20 goals, so I don't really think it matters if he "barely", by your standards, eclipsed that mark.

Also, I would consider scoring >20 goals in 3/4's of a season more than "barely breaking 20 goals".

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Yeah I realize what else he brings but to me 5 million per is too much, UFA years or not.
I don't think we should expect to see a $5M cap hit after Dubinsky signed for a $4.2 hit, but I have no doubt that Callahan would easily get $5M annually on the free agent market. Is that his "value" pursuant to us fans? Probably not, but in the current free agent market, a team doling out a 5 year/$25M contract for a player of Callahan's caliber/ilk is what we'll usually see.

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I'm hoping 3-4 million which is what he is worth.
Consider this: I believe the average NHL salary, right now, is $3M per. Is Callahan an "average" player? I wouldn't consider him as such.I'd consider him an "above average" player.

$4M is the lowest cap hit we'll see him get, in all likelihood.


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Anything less than 5 years will be dissappointing to me...

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I was just thinking about something.

It's always been pretty obvious to me who was going to be the next Rangers captain each time they are chosen, especially recently.

Jagr - obvious.
Drury - obvious.

Seems like Callahan is just as obvious... but we aren't in the room with the guys, ya know?

What if someone comes out of left field to captain the team? Stepan? Staal? Girardi? That's something worth speculating about IMO.

Cally's awfully quiet for a captain... and yeah Drury was too, but he was already an established leader and captain before he was brought on board.

In no way does this mean I don't want Cally to be captain. I think he'd be a fine captain. But maybe it's not so cut and dried as we think.

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I was just thinking about something.

It's always been pretty obvious to me who was going to be the next Rangers captain each time they are chosen, especially recently.

Jagr - obvious.
Drury - obvious.

Seems like Callahan is just as obvious... but we aren't in the room with the guys, ya know?

What if someone comes out of left field to captain the team? Stepan? Staal? Girardi? That's something worth speculating about IMO.

Cally's awfully quiet for a captain... and yeah Drury was too, but he was already an established leader and captain before he was brought on board.

In no way does this mean I don't want Cally to be captain. I think he'd be a fine captain. But maybe it's not so cut and dried as we think.
I understand what you're saying but I think it is as obvious as it could get. You mention quietness and that Callahan isn't so vocal maybe, but neither Girardi, Stepan or Staal or any more vocal really (from what we've seen). It doesn't seem like Stepan is going to bark orders at people after one season in the NHL.

Staal's a good "A" but I don't think he's a "C". At least not above Callahan. I don't think Girardi is either, I believe he's fine the way he is. I think it's all but set in stone that Callahan gets the "C", he is Torts' most relied upon and well-liked forward.

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I don't know. It seems pretty damn cut and dry to me; I mean, Torts' loves him, and all you hear from teammates/opposing players is how much they respect him. I have a hard time seeing him NOT named captain.

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