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07-24-2011, 09:38 PM
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If Gorges has a good year... he will become UFA and sign elsewhere.

bad deal for the habs. they should hd signed him for 4 years- 10 million, right now.

How do you know Gorges would sign that kinda contract. I doubt Gorges would give up 3 UFA years for the same money he is making this year...who knows Gorges might of been asking for $4M a year for anything longer that one year...who knows.

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Gorges is a steady d-man, lots of heart and a great team guy. He is a pk specialist with not much offensive upside and he was offered a good contract for that type of service. I don't think he is worth 3-3.5 per year and neither do the Habs. If he wanted more money/term and the Habs offered him less, it is a great possibility that he might leave next summer. It might also be that both parties wanted to see how his knee might react post surgery, if he can play at the same level then maybe he might be offered a longer term deal at say the 60-70 game mark. I accept decisions made by management as a fan because that's what I am. There are often decisions made that us "fans" are not meant to understand.

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So... the only spot left are the 13th forward (Engqvist)/8th d-man (Diaz)?

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So... the only spot left are the 13th forward/8th d-man?
Yep...right now i would have to assume that Blunden/Engqvist have the inside track on the 13th forward spot but i still think the Habs will go outside of the organization to add another forward with experience.

I do not expect us to carry 8 d-men unless we sign another UFA (or make a trade). I can't imagine that PG won't add another d-man between now and the start of the season...we need more depth. I'd give a guy like Hannan a 1 year deal, but at the very least i think we should look to maybe bring back Mara as a #8 guy. I'm not convinced that any of the guys at the AHL level (Diaz, Mitera, Nash, etc) are really going to be ready for regular NHL duty if we get hit with a couple of injuries.

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How do you know Gorges would sign that kinda contract. I doubt Gorges would give up 3 UFA years for the same money he is making this year...who knows Gorges might of been asking for $4M a year for anything longer that one year...who knows.
I am not saying what Gorges should had done...

I am saying what thee habs might had tried to do.

For me, it is written on the wall. Gorges will fly away next July.

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Yep...right now i would have to assume that Blunden/Engqvist have the inside track on the 13th forward spot but i still think the Habs will go outside of the organization to add another forward with experience.

I do not expect us to carry 8 d-men unless we sign another UFA (or make a trade). I can't imagine that PG won't add another d-man between now and the start of the season...we need more depth. I'd give a guy like Hannan a 1 year deal, but at the very least i think we should look to maybe bring back Mara as a #8 guy. I'm not convinced that any of the guys at the AHL level (Diaz, Mitera, Nash, etc) are really going to be ready for regular NHL duty if we get hit with a couple of injuries.
Possible, but no one is giving a chance to Trotter to get that job ?

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I am not saying what Gorges should had done...

I am saying what thee habs might had tried to do.

For me, it is written on the wall. Gorges will fly away next July.
I don't understand why it's clear he'll leave. His heart seems to be in Montreal...

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I don't think Josh is going anywhere...this is just simply a short-term solution. I have little doubt that he will re-sign before July 1 next year. He is a hab.

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I think a 1 year deal was the best option for both sides...Gorges probably thinks he can get more, while the Habs are weary of giving him a long term deal.

They'll see how the year goes and they'll make their determination on a long term deal accordingly...

This is similar to the Plekanec situation...

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Gorges isn't an offensive defenseman. He's not going to be in the $4-5m range.

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07-25-2011, 10:27 AM
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Possible, but no one is giving a chance to Trotter to get that job ?
Trotter doesn't exactly seem like 4th line material. Engqvist and Blunden are much more suited to play that role on a line with some combination of Darche, Moen and White.

I'd still rather see PG go out and sign one of Madden or Drury for 1 year.

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Gorges isn't an offensive defenseman. He's not going to be in the $4-5m range.
How much did Komisarek end up getting?

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I am just happy to have gorges back. We still have time to discuss a longer contract.

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How much did Komisarek end up getting?
Skating, size and physical dominance made Komsarek a rare commodity in Montreal, while a lot of teams have a Josh Gorges in their system. The best he could ever get is a Hjalmarsson type contract (12mil/ 4 years).

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Skating, size and physical dominance made Komsarek a rare commodity in Montreal, while a lot of teams have a Josh Gorges in their system. The best he could ever get is a Hjalmarsson type contract (12mil/ 4 years).
And I think Gorges would deserve that as I see him better than Hjalmarsson.

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Watch Gorges go down again and everyone claim that they ''always knew 1 year was good!!!!!111one''

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Not to minimize Gorges impact on the Habs...he's an important player and an even more important leader.

But I think given his hockey ability, he should be in the 2.5M to 3.25M range...not sure I would pay him more than that personally. So while he's a valuable player, he's also very replaceable (at least on the ice).

I don't mind the team paying a little extra for the intangibles he brings...but I wouldn't go overboard either.

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Skating, size and physical dominance made Komsarek a rare commodity in Montreal, while a lot of teams have a Josh Gorges in their system. The best he could ever get is a Hjalmarsson type contract (12mil/ 4 years).
Perhaps. Then again I recall a few comparisons to Scuderi and he signed for 3.4 per.

Not saying he'll get the same, just wanted to counter with a name of my own

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All those that are "sure" Gorges will leave are likely the same that we're "sure" Plekanec was going to leave. It's far from the truth right now.

It's a good move for both parties right now, it gives Gorges a chance to come back on a new and improved knee and see if he can take it to the next level. It's a contract year, so we should see some excellent hockey out of him and who knows that excellent hockey could put us on another level. I doubt either side wants to part ways moving forward, I just think Gorges believes he can give more and that the Habs we're willing to give him one last chance to showcase himself before they commit long-term.

If he plays good-to-great next season I don't think 3.5-3.75 over 3-4 years is out of the question at all whether it's here or elsewhere. I agree with the comments above that he's better then Hjalmarsson and perhaps Scuderi as well. The only place I could potentialy see Gorges choosing over Montreal with matching term/money is Vancouver (it is close to home) but that's just speculation and I have no basis other than it's near home to believe that.

I'm hardly concerned, if it's meant to be he'll be back... For all we know next season Weber/Emelin/Diaz turns out as solid as Gorges defensively and cranks out 30+ points in the process and turns Gorges into a spare part.

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All those that are "sure" Gorges will leave are likely the same that we're "sure" Plekanec was going to leave. It's far from the truth right now.

It's a good move for both parties right now, it gives Gorges a chance to come back on a new and improved knee and see if he can take it to the next level. It's a contract year, so we should see some excellent hockey out of him and who knows that excellent hockey could put us on another level. I doubt either side wants to part ways moving forward, I just think Gorges believes he can give more and that the Habs we're willing to give him one last chance to showcase himself before they commit long-term.

If he plays good-to-great next season I don't think 3.5-3.75 over 3-4 years is out of the question at all whether it's here or elsewhere. I agree with the comments above that he's better then Hjalmarsson and perhaps Scuderi as well. The only place I could potentialy see Gorges choosing over Montreal with matching term/money is Vancouver (it is close to home) but that's just speculation and I have no basis other than it's near home to believe that.

I'm hardly concerned, if it's meant to be he'll be back... For all we know next season Weber/Emelin/Diaz turns out as solid as Gorges defensively and cranks out 30+ points in the process and turns Gorges into a spare part.
And i love josh, but thats best case scenario right there. thats why it being a 1 year deal instead of being possibly handcuffed to him for 3-4 years while those 3 prospects DO bloom is so absolutely key

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CJAD sports in a phone convo with #Habs Josh Gorges moments ago: "I wanted a multi-year deal...I want to stay in MTL as long as I can. I wanted to get as many years as I could.Looking at it from the team's perspective I understand, coming off a major knee surgery and not finishing the year, there is some risk involved with how many knee's going to hold up. I think they just wanted to do their job and make sure that my knee was 100%..coming into this season, so that I'm not putting the team at risk."

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Although everyone is going to say, well what was he supposed to say, to me Gorges comments on CJAD today demonstrate how classy of an individual he is. I for one think he will be back.

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Although everyone is going to say, well what was he supposed to say, to me Gorges comments on CJAD today demonstrate how classy of an individual he is. I for one think he will be back.
What is also seems to prove is that it took that long because that's not what Gorges had in mind after all...He wanted a long-term commitment. Nothing suggest he won't sign it later during the year. I personnally would like to see PG sign players during the year....you will get a better deal that way....if the players wants to sign right away and avoid being injured later during the year. And mostly in the case of a Gorges. You might hesitate to do this for Subban or Price 'cause chances are both parties won't agree easily on numbers...but Gorges? It should be easier. So I don't see a distraction effect.

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CJAD sports in a phone convo with #Habs Josh Gorges moments ago: "I wanted a multi-year deal...I want to stay in MTL as long as I can. I wanted to get as many years as I could.Looking at it from the team's perspective I understand, coming off a major knee surgery and not finishing the year, there is some risk involved with how many knee's going to hold up. I think they just wanted to do their job and make sure that my knee was 100%..coming into this season, so that I'm not putting the team at risk."
Glad to hear Josh saying this....guys, just relax, he will be staying. I wonder if the Devils fans are as dramatic about Parise only signing for 1 yr as some of our fans are about Gorges???

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So ITT, a bunch of angsty overanxious habs fans can't remember the flaws in a player they haven't seen play in a long time and as a result overrate him like crazy. They make up imaginary slights to his ego and derive from it that he'll make a decision in 2012 Gorges himself probably doesn't know he'll make.

I mean how little sense does that make ?

It's hard to actually get my mind around how messed up that thinking is. So many things have to go wrong for someone to decide to think that way ... probably should be giving your collective selves one long and slow head shake all those of you who think that way.

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Glad to hear Josh saying this....guys, just relax, he will be staying. I wonder if the Devils fans are as dramatic about Parise only signing for 1 yr as some of our fans are about Gorges???
Hell, Parise is an actual special player. A rare commodity. I would actually understand if NJ devils fans were worried about the potentiality of losing a guy like Parise. But Gorges ? Come the **** on. Not going to lose sleep over it. Not one minute. Why worry about an easily replaceable top 4 dman who might end up staying anyway? WHYYY!

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