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Rangers Prospect Poll: #23

View Poll Results: Who is the #23 Rangers prospect?
Jason Wilson 8 21.62%
Samuel Noreau 11 29.73%
Tommy Grant 1 2.70%
Jyri Niemi 4 10.81%
Cameron Talbot 6 16.22%
Peter Ceresnak 7 18.92%
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07-22-2011, 12:18 PM
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Rangers Prospect Poll: #23

Goalie Scott Stajcer very closely won round 22. D Jyri Niemi will be added to our poll.

Don't forget to write-in who should be added in the next round. Also would be good to include a discussion/argument on why you voted for a particular prospect.


TOP PROSPECTS

1. LW Chris Kreider
2. D Ryan McDonagh
3. D Tim Erixon
4. RW Christian Thomas
5. D Dylan McIlrath
6. LW Mats Zuccarello
7. LW J.T. Miller
8. LW Carl Hagelin
9. RW Jesper Fasth
10. D Pavel Valentenko


SECOND-TIER PROSPECTS

11. C Oscar Lindberg
12. D Tomas Kundratek
13. LW Ryan Bourque
14. C Andrew Yogan
15. C Steven Fogarty
16. RW Shane McColgan
17. C Michael St. Croix
18. RW Dale Weise
19. D Mikhail Pashnin
20. D Blake Parlett


SUSPECTS & PROJECTS

21. RW Andreas Thuresson
22. G Scott Stajcer


Scott Stajcer
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Born Jun 14 1991 -- Cambridge, ONT
Height 6.02 -- Weight 195 -- Shoots L

2010-11 Owen Sound Attack OHL 14 games 2.91 0.901


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07-22-2011, 12:20 PM
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LW JASON WILSON

Tough, banging winger projected to play on the bottom two lines as a physical player who can hopefully add some offense.

"Wilson is going to surprise some people. He can really play.”
-Gordie Clark

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D SAMUEL NOREAU

Huge, hard-hitting defenseman who is a decent skater for his size.

"Very mobile and very skilled [Samuel Noreau is] 6-5 and really tough."
- Gordie Clark

"Noreau is a 6-5, 215-pound tough-as-nails punisher who doesn’t have much in the way of high-end skill, but has the size and nastiness to be a shutdown guy in time. He’s not a bad skater, though needs to work on his lateral movement and pivots/turns like many big players on D. This dude can really fight, too. With his size and strength, he ragdolls guys and stands in and throws them against the tougher comers/enforcers in the QMJHL."
- Bruins Draft Watch
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LW TOMMY GRANT

"He is able to really control the puck. This guy never wants to dump it in. He's very good with his hands in carrying it up the ice and making plays. He has some offense to his game in passing the puck and carrying the puck... It's just about adjusting the pace of his game to the pro game, and that's why it was important to get him into Connecticut at the end of the year. Now he's seen the size and the strength of the players at that level, and he knows what he has to do to over the summer to be ready to come back for his first year of pro."
- Gordie Clark

"The Connecticut coaches saw the offensive upside, and they saw some speed and some hands. And for an offensive guy, he was good in his own end. He's also very competitive, and they were pretty excited about that."
- Jeff Gorton

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D JYRI NIEMI

Good size at 6-3 206 pounds and an excellent shot, clocked at 97 mph at the Top Prospects Competition. Played good quality hockey as a 4-5 defenseman in Hartford as a 20-year-old. Captain of the finnish U20 national team. Physical and while he fights rarely, can hold his own in a fight.

"A very good defensive prospect... We got to see a lot of Niemi last season because of Sam Klassen who was Niemi's teammate on the Blades. Niemi is more an offensive minded defender who does need some work but his potential makes it worth the effort to work with him... [trading him for a 6th round pick] is a bad move by the Islanders and a very good move by the Rangers."
- The Prospect Park in 2010
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G CAMERON TALBOT

Goalie with good size on a weak team. Did for his college team what Lundqvist did in his early days: keep a bad team in the game, giving them a chance. Dominated at every level he played at, though he was always in rather weak places (OPJHL, College Hockey America). Almost defeated the top ranked Miami-Ohio while backstopping the very weak UofA team.

"He has size and the athleticism we like, and he was able to keep a very weak team competitive... I told our scout I expected them to get spanked in the game, but they won," said Clark. "They won it and got to go to the NCAA tournament, so I sent another couple guys in to watch him. They got beat in that second game, but in both games, they were in it... Benoit (Allaire) really likes him."
- Gordie Clark

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D PETER CERESNAK

A very physical defenseman who needs to improve his skating and his positioning. Hits everything that moves. The Rangers traded just to draft him.

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Prospects left on board:

Prospects potentially left to potentially be added:

Lee Baldwin, D
Greg Beller, LW
Stu Bickel, D
Chris Chappell, LW
Tysen Dowzak, D
Danny Hobbs, C
Eric Hunter, LW
Sam Klassen, D
Chad Kolarik, RW
David Kveton, RW
Matt McCue, LW
Randy McNaught, RW
Jason Missiaen, G
Roman Psurny, LW
David Skokan, C
Lukas Zeliska, C


The people in bold are those I personally regard as prospects worth watching.

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07-22-2011, 12:22 PM
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Voted for Noreau because he was a 5th round pick, and he's big and can skate. But I like Niemi a lot here also. I hope he can crack the top-25 because he DEFINITELY deserves it.

Add Chad Kolarik. Doubt he makes the NHL full-time, but he at least deserves to be in the poll to get an honorable mention because he'll definitely play in the NHL again whenever injuries hit.

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07-22-2011, 12:31 PM
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Went with Noreau since he is big. You can't teach his size, but what can be done is refining his skating. As we've seen with Boyle, you can fix the way someone skates, and they become more effective. Even if it makes him a below average skater, his size and potential development will make him someone that can fill out a 3rd pairing or even be a part time NHLer as a 7th defender.

Add Kolarik. As stated, he's a solid call-up if there are injuries to the team. He can play a bottom 6 role and not look out of place, but for an extended period, he'll most likely start to stick out.

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I definitely think the defensemen up there should all be in the top 25, and Niemi is likely very under-rated.

Good size, decent skill, can hit, bullet for a shot and captained a solid (Finnish) WJC team.


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Just looked at Kolarik's history, and his prospect status (by HF criteria) is expiring as we speak. He signed his first contract three years ago, so his prospect status is done. He's on the HF list of prospects because that list was prepared during the end of last season, when he was still a prospect. When this season starts, he'll be ineligible.

I get the sense though that no one likes going by HF standards, so I'll let RE make the call.

In that case, add Hobbs.

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Why is Ryan McDonagh on the prospects list???? He's on the team. Should we put Del Zotto back on the prospects list?

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Why is Ryan McDonagh on the prospects list???? He's on the team. Should we put Del Zotto back on the prospects list?
Eligibility for the list is based on HF's definitions on a prospect. I don't remember the rules off the top of my head, but McDonagh hasn't played enough games yet, where MDZ has played too many.

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Why is Ryan McDonagh on the prospects list???? He's on the team. Should we put Del Zotto back on the prospects list?
We use the HF criteria for determining prospects.

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If Kolarik is not eligible by preseason, then Hobbs.

Not that excited about our Honorable Mentions. This is where Jam and even Kale would come useful. I would choose either ahead of Hobbs.

Jam would make our top second tier stronger and Kale would ne a worthwhile project or honorable mention.


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Noreau ... also intrigued by Ceresnak

add Hobbs I guess, scrapping the bottom of the barrel now.

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I wrote it in the Jason Wilson post, but I definitely think it applies here.


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Wilson is our hope for the next Dale Weise, though he's more likely to become Newbury or worse. A lot of people like younger prospects than those who are borderline ready because they can have unreasonable hope for the prospects they know less about, but Weise is superior to what Wilson will be when he catches up age-wise.

I am sure a lot of people will doubt it, but the truth is that as a 19 year old, Weise put up better stats than Wilson despite the fact that they are the same size and play a similar game. Then next year, Weise had a good season in the AHL, while Wilson was forced to return to juniors as an overager. No doubt people will try to find differences, but those differences always exist in two similar players.

Let me tell you this: Wilson returned to the juniors as an overager. How many good prospects do that? How often do you see overagers turn into quality NHLers?

A player who can play in the AHL goes there. In fact, usually if he can hold up on the ECHL's top two lines, he'll go to the ECHL and the team will hope that he'll progress enough in the season to get a call up to the AHL. This is particularly true for gritty guys who can play on any of the 4 lines, at least at the AHL level. A gritty guy who goes back for an overager season is usually garbage.

This is compounded by the fact that Wilson couldn't score in juniors even as an overager. Generally speaking half-way decent prospects who become overagers come to dominate the juniors. Again, this is particularly so for big guys because they can abuse the not-yet-developed 17-18 year olds due to the size advantage.

The additional experience, the additional training and the size advantage normally allows overagers to dominate.

Instead, Wilson had a pathetic 43 points on a strong team. The guy was #8 in scoring on his team as an overager.

Wilson has ECHL written all over him. Granted, stats don't prove everything, but if you can't score in juniors on a decent team as an overager, odds are you won't be able to score even in the AHL, much less the NHL.

Compare him to Chris Chappell, who is bigger. In his overager season Chappell scored almost double what Wilson scored. And yet, he wound up in the ECHL because that's where almost all overagers go. This isn't an exception I found, this is the rule. Immediately after his good overager season, Chappell failed to make our top-35 list, the longest list of prospects we ever voted on. Why? Because overagers dominating teenagers is nothing special. But overagers not being able to do so is a very bad sign.

If Wilson had some great intangibles that don't show up on the stat sheet, he would have played in the AHL last season.

The guy is garbage who is overrated because many people just like anyone big who hits.


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This round is going to Sam Noreau. Move on to Round 24.

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