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07-26-2011, 05:10 PM
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Raymond + 2nd for Malone?

Much lower hit, 50 point winger, both currently injured. Much different styles but Raymond would make a good addition as his speed compliments the other TB forwards very well.
now thats an interesting proposal...works for both teams

Edit: how long is raymond out for?


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07-26-2011, 05:14 PM
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ESPN recently reported that the TB lighting may be shopping Ryan Malone in order to dump salary. My question is why? I thought their new Owner had money to burn? why would they need to Dump Ryan Malone? I mean I know he has a shoulder injury right now but everything I've read/seen including on the Lighting's offical Twitter page says that Malone will be ready for camp.
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Why would Tampa attempt to trade Malone right after announcing that he's just went under the knife? It makes no sense to trade a player when their value is the lowest.
Exactly - doesn't make sense to me when the reports say he will miss significant time. That can't help his marketing appeal to other teams.

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07-26-2011, 05:28 PM
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thats not true. Kessel was traded while injured
Same as Lombardi

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07-26-2011, 05:32 PM
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the caps should do

chimera + schutlz

for

malone

and then resign hannan

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07-26-2011, 05:42 PM
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Malone is brutally overpaid in my mind.

I would give up Lupul maybe, but that wouldn't even make sense since he showed some chemistry with Kessel last year.

This kind of news is akin to saying that Mike Commodore is on the block. Most teams will just look around and smirk, some will give offers of 5th Rd picks etc.
I personally hope the Leafs don't trade Lupul fo him. Lupul is a pretty good player and played well for the Leafs down the stretch. With this offseason to fully heal from his infection I'm looking forward to see what he's got.

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07-26-2011, 06:07 PM
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thats not true. Kessel was traded while injured
People just never do their homework. People ALWAYS think players cant be traded when injured.

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07-26-2011, 06:11 PM
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the caps should do

chimera + schutlz

for

malone

and then resign hannan
Good idea, doubt Tampa trades with us though.

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07-26-2011, 11:16 PM
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Exactly - doesn't make sense to me when the reports say he will miss significant time. That can't help his marketing appeal to other teams.
it has been established that Malone's injury is not as serious and he will be good to go by camp

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07-27-2011, 12:24 AM
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the caps should do

chimera + schutlz

for

malone

and then resign hannan
boy I hope Stevie Y is jumpin all over that one!

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07-27-2011, 01:58 AM
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now thats an interesting proposal...works for both teams

Edit: how long is raymond out for?
I know he's injured (to answer your question I have no news), but would Tampa fans who would do this be comfortable with a lower pick (even a third?) with Raymond? Just the differences in cap hits and contract lengths would have me feeling a second in this years draft, even between 55 and 60 hopefully, might be a slight bit more then I'm comfortable with if Raymond is poised to regain his form.

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07-27-2011, 02:02 AM
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now thats an interesting proposal...works for both teams

Edit: how long is raymond out for?
He should be back in action by november, very latest december

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07-27-2011, 02:08 AM
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He is a 40-50 point player max. He throws some hits at a rate higher than average but thats about it unless I am missing something from his book.

Guys I consider comparable to him in terms of talent and what they bring:

Tuomo Ruutu (better player) $3.8 AAV
Troy Brouwer (better player) $2.3 AAV
Steve Ott (better player) $2.95 AAV
Chad LaRose $1.7 AAV
Colby Armstrong $3 AAV


Maybe I have completely misjudged Malone and don't see enough Tampa games but I am not one of those types who believe a player is good because he is big, and I haven't seen much from Malone's game to say he is more than a very good third line player
wow, wow, wow....

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07-27-2011, 03:54 AM
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Until Malone's NMC becomes a NTC in 2013/14 and Ashton is ready to take his place, Malone's going nowhere.

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07-27-2011, 04:45 AM
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He is a 40-50 point player max. He throws some hits at a rate higher than average but thats about it unless I am missing something from his book.

Guys I consider comparable to him in terms of talent and what they bring:

Tuomo Ruutu (better player) $3.8 AAV
Troy Brouwer (better player) $2.3 AAV
Steve Ott (better player) $2.95 AAV
Chad LaRose $1.7 AAV
Colby Armstrong $3 AAV

Maybe I have completely misjudged Malone and don't see enough Tampa games but I am not one of those types who believe a player is good because he is big, and I haven't seen much from Malone's game to say he is more than a very good third line player
Wow. Malone is a top 6 player on almost every team in the league. The guy is a beast in front of the net and plays with an edge that every top 6 could use. Nice to see how horribly under-rated he is. Now, I won't say he isn't slightly overpaid, because he probably is, but the dude is an absolute terror on goaltenders (ask the Caps).

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07-27-2011, 06:41 AM
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low blow.
Malone would probably want to go to a playoff team and try to win a cup. The Sens were 5th to last this past season in points and looking at the trades and signings they've made it doesn't look like they are ready to head in that direction.
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They both make the same $. How's that a cap-dump?
Komisarek would be off the books a year before Malone, but yeah doesn't really help with the cap hit anytime soon.
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Until Malone's NMC becomes a NTC in 2013/14 and Ashton is ready to take his place, Malone's going nowhere.
Yep. Without our current team I can't see Malone going anywhere. In the future when the younger guys like Ashton and Connolly are able to slot into the line up then Malone will become more expendable.

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07-27-2011, 01:07 PM
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I know he's injured (to answer your question I have no news), but would Tampa fans who would do this be comfortable with a lower pick (even a third?) with Raymond? Just the differences in cap hits and contract lengths would have me feeling a second in this years draft, even between 55 and 60 hopefully, might be a slight bit more then I'm comfortable with if Raymond is poised to regain his form.
Im not too familiar with Raymonds injury so depending on how much of a question mark it is, should depend on the draft pick. If he doesnt return healthy then it would be essentially malone for a 2nd which doesnt sting so bad haha. This was actually one of the better trades on these boards though.

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07-27-2011, 01:13 PM
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boy I hope Stevie Y is jumpin all over that one!

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07-27-2011, 01:28 PM
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Our 20 year old defenseman who put up 45 points in 75 games on the worst offensive team in the league. That star.
He may be a star in Ottawa, but i don't think league recognized star yet.

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Sure they have cap space, but do they have ownerships approval to spend to the cap?
Really, this again?

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Komisarek would be off the books a year before Malone, but yeah doesn't really help with the cap hit anytime soon.
Regardless of whether one thinks Malone & Komisarek are overpaid or not - the former is still a top six forward while the later isn't a 2nd pairing defenseman (at least in a full-time capacity). For the same cap hit, not that hard a decision which one a team would rather have.

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I can see Tampa dealing him. Fairly large cap hit for the next 4 years, recent injury/surgery, and they've got plenty of winger prospects with top 6 upside who are reasonably close to being able to make the NHL (Connolly, Ashton, Panik, and Harju, all of whom are 6'1" to 6'3"). They may want to simply deal him now rather than risk him playing poorly after the surgery and becoming much harder to trade (if he comes back 100% his value is higher than now, with the uncertainty, but if he comes back and sucks, then they could be stuck with his cap hit for years).

I don't think Malone is overpaid in terms of what he currently brings, and if he comes back healthy he's a solid player with solid value, but Tampa has plenty of potential replacements who could come in on cheap ELCs, and IF Malone isn't the same post-surgery (think a decrease in effectiveness along the lines of pre-to-post surgery Lecavalier), then he becomes a bad contract, especially since he's been pretty injury prone over the last few years regardless, and will be 35 when his contract ends.


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WOW....seems that Bugsy is severely underrated here.

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Im not too familiar with Raymonds injury so depending on how much of a question mark it is, should depend on the draft pick. If he doesnt return healthy then it would be essentially malone for a 2nd which doesnt sting so bad haha. This was actually one of the better trades on these boards though.
He should be back by November, possibly December, and so far all signs are good according to the Canucks board. Another concern though is Malone's NMC. Would he have any inclination to waive it? I thought his dad was working for the Lightning organization, and seems to be happy in Florida by all accounts.

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I would love to get Malone on the second line with Kesler. He's almost exactly what we're looking for.

I like the trade proposal of Raymond and a 2nd or 3rd. I think that's fair for both teams. The only other players I can see being offered instead of Raymond would be Samuelsson or maybe Schroeder.

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raymond + 2nd for malone is fair... tb gets their payroll deduction and an offensive player to play up front, we get our rugged 2nd line player to play w kesler

sedin sedin burrows
malone kesler samuelsson
sturm malholtra higgins
hansen lapierre wincester/bitz/oreskovich

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