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Aspiring to be enforcers?

We know that many of today's NHL enforcers were respectable, or even premier, scorers when they were younger playing in junior leagues. When they get to the bigs they realize that their offense in their junior years won't translate to the NHL, so they embrace the enforcer role.

My question is, do you think many of these enforcers today actually had that job description in mind when they were starting out as young kids? Do some simply started aspiring and training to be enforcers during their early formative years, or do you think they transform themselves into that role after realizing they are not going to put up as many points in the NHL as they did?

Oh and for the record I have the utmost respect for enforcers and what they contribute to any team. Without their presence behaviors and plays on ice would get reckless and players would get hurt more often. Enforcers work as hard as any other players, sometime even harder. Guys like Bob Probert and Tony Twist deserve a big

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Enforcers are ususally fighters from day one. A lot of them will light it up in lower tier leagues. For the record, despite what Cherry said, Domi never lit it up in junior. He was a decent 2nd/3rd line scorer who happened to be a completely dominant fighter.

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Enforcers are ususally fighters from day one. A lot of them will light it up in lower tier leagues. For the record, despite what Cherry said, Domi never lit it up in junior. He was a decent 2nd/3rd line scorer who happened to be a completely dominant fighter.
Exactly.... I think most of the enforcers out there are players who could always punch the lights out, but we're good enough to score in the lower leagues.

That said, I think it's pretty funny to imagine someone like Chris McCallister lighting the lamp up for 20 or 30.

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That said, I think it's pretty funny to imagine someone like Chris McCallister lighting the lamp up for 20 or 30.
Or Steve McKenna lighting anything other than the owner's cigars - oh wait, he is still doing that as a pro in Pittsburgh.

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didn't Darren Langdon get like, 150 something points in juniors?

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Or Steve McKenna lighting anything other than the owner's cigars - oh wait, he is still doing that as a pro in Pittsburgh.
Well Steve McKenna has shown previously that he can be a scoring machine. He just needs to keep his stick on the ice and let Mario bang pucks off of it into the net ...... :lol

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Well Steve McKenna has shown previously that he can be a scoring machine. He just needs to keep his stick on the ice and let Mario bang pucks off of it into the net ...... :lol
Seriously, fire hydrants have more offensive talent than McKenna.

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Seriously, fire hydrants have more offensive talent than McKenna.
I will gladly second that......

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We know that many of today's NHL enforcers were respectable, or even premier, scorers when they were younger playing in junior leagues. When they get to the bigs they realize that their offense in their junior years won't translate to the NHL, so they embrace the enforcer role.

My question is, do you think many of these enforcers today actually had that job description in mind when they were starting out as young kids? Do some simply started aspiring and training to be enforcers during their early formative years, or do you think they transform themselves into that role after realizing they are not going to put up as many points in the NHL as they did?

Oh and for the record I have the utmost respect for enforcers and what they contribute to any team. Without their presence behaviors and plays on ice would get reckless and players would get hurt more often. Enforcers work as hard as any other players, sometime even harder. Guys like Bob Probert and Tony Twist deserve a big
I dont think they aspire to be enforcers in Pee-wee's or anything I think it generally happpens that once they get to the level that allows fighting they are good at it and find that that is how they are going to make the NHL.

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Few of the real scrub enforcers in junior make it as NHL enforcers. Worrell put up nearly a point a game in the Q. Brashear's numbers weren't quite as good but they were respectable. Domi's were similar to Brashear's, as were Jody Shelley's. Guys who score less than 10 points a season their entire junior careers, like Marc-Andre Roy and Derek Boogaard, typically don't last as enforcers in the NHL.

Tougher guys who put up really massive numbers don't typically end up as enforcers, but more often as pests and agitators (Darcy Tucker for example).

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Alek Stojanov's scouting report had him as a potential power forward. Similar story with Andrei Nazarov who was drafted as a power forward, but developed into an enforcer when his skills failed him at the NHL level.

there is the odd tough player who was drafted for other aspects of the game (usually as a powerforward), but end up switching to enforcing to make it to the pros.

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Boogaard has comes leaps and bounds from his junior days...You should read some of his interviews...very nice...

I'm not going to get in that ****ing argument about how ****** he was or his team, there were mistakes on both sides and Boogaard has come a long ****ing way from where he was...

 
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I don't think anyone starts out wanting to be just an enforcer, but if you don't start out liking to fight early, you'll generally won't be effective. A lot of guys are forced into the role to keep a job or move up, but if their heart isn't in it, they tend to fizzle. A good example is Chris McCallister. The guy hates his role, will only fight if he has to, and has ended up sucking at it now.

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Jeff Odgers lit it up last year........in rec hockey.

Seriously, rarely does an enforcer do well. In fact, Anaheim enforcer Garret Burnett was cut from the Trail Smoke Eaters of the BCHL.

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Alek Stojanov's scouting report had him as a potential power forward. Similar story with Andrei Nazarov who was drafted as a power forward, but developed into an enforcer when his skills failed him at the NHL level.
You could say the same of Shean Donovan. However, two guys in recent memory who were drafted in the first round as potential HW enforcers were Scott Parker and Mike Brown. Of course Colorado and Florida were hoping for a little more skill out of them .....

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