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07-28-2011, 06:43 AM
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Buffalo / Pittsburgh

To Buffalo: Dustin Jeffrey and Pittsburgh's 3rd round draft pick in 2012

To Pittsburgh: Brad Boyes


Buffalo needs to shed salary and the Pens can afford to take on Boyes' contract. This deal eliminates Buffalo's cap problem. Plus, they get a solid 3rd line center who could further develop into second line center in Dustin Jeffrey and a third rounder in a fairly deep 2012 draft.

The Pens acquire a former 40 goal scorer who has worked well with Crosby in the past. I think Boyes would find his 'A' game being reunited with Sid the kid. Plus, Shero can still negotiate with his core players because Boyes' contract would be expired by the time Staal's or Crosby's new deals kick in. The need to move Niskanen greatly improves with Boyes on the books.

Cap totals after trade:

Buffalo; +$338,000.00 .... http://www.nhlnumbers.com/teams/BUF?year=2012

Pittsburgh; +$2,958,000.00 http://www.nhlnumbers.com/teams/PIT?year=2012


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07-28-2011, 06:59 AM
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To Buffalo: Dustin Jeffrey / Pittsburgh's 3rd round draft pick in 2012

To Pittsburgh: Brad Boyes


Buffalo needs to shed salary and the Pens can afford to take on Boyes' contract. This deal eliminates Buffalo's cap problem. Plus, they get a solid 3rd line center who could further develop into second line center in Dustin Jeffrey and a third rounder in a fairly deep 2012 draft.

The Pens acquire a former 40 goal scorer who has worked well with Crosby in the past. I think Boyes would find his 'A' game being reunited with Sid the kid. Plus, Shero can still negotiate with his core players because Boyes' contract would be expired by the time Staal's or Crosby's new deals kick in. The need to move Niskanen greatly improves with Boyes on the books.

Cap totals after trade:

Buffalo; +$338,000.00 .... http://www.nhlnumbers.com/teams/BUF?year=2012

Pittsburgh; +$2,958,000.00 http://www.nhlnumbers.com/teams/PIT?year=2012
Buffalo does not need to "shed" salary, they are capable of burying AlKo & ShaMo (- $5M) in Rochester if needed - which fixes the cap problem. They are certainly not going to be forced to deal Boyes or anyone else for below value. That said, I actually dont hate this idea, admittedly I dont know a lot about DJ, but if he is close to ready (this year or next) I would consider this deal from Buffalo's POV.

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07-28-2011, 07:13 AM
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Interesting, but I DON'T think the Pens have cap space, otherwise the team that often uses Pascal Dupuis in the top six would have been a more obvious destination for one of our excess wingers more of often. I think salary has to come back, and now that Sekera has been signed, that's a no go.

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07-28-2011, 07:19 AM
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Buffalo doesn't have to give up assets to get under the cap.

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07-28-2011, 07:21 AM
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There is no need for us to shed salary, but i still like this deal. Giving up a Winger for a Center makes sense for us and, vice versa, for the Penguins too, as long as the salarys work.

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I like the deal as well. Let's get Shero and Regier on the phone.

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07-28-2011, 08:11 AM
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At least sombody used nhlnumbers.com for cap reference, I thought it was a dead site since capgeek.com take over

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Not a fan of this deal from a Pens perspective.

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07-28-2011, 08:15 AM
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Deal doesn't work out cap hitwise for the Pens.

Just checked the number on nhlnumbers.com and they can't add. No one uses it because it isn't as good as capgeek. They say the cap hit is 57.917 for the Pens, but simple addition of the contracts they use is actually 61.917 and is still not enough to absorb the 4M hit from Boyes.


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07-28-2011, 08:46 AM
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Deal doesn't work out cap hitwise for the Pens.

Just checked the number on nhlnumbers.com and they can't add. No one uses it because it isn't as good as capgeek. They say the cap hit is 57.917 for the Pens, but simple addition of the contracts they use is actually 61.917 and is still not enough to absorb the 4M hit from Boyes.
I should've checked myself, lol. Perhaps if they included Niskanen they could pull this off?

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07-28-2011, 08:57 AM
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I should've checked myself, lol. Perhaps if they included Niskanen they could pull this off?
Probably not an option the Sabres would pursue since they have 8 D-men under contract and probably have to bury/waive Morrisonn already. If they could find a home for ShaMo, then perhaps Niskanen becomes a slightly cheaper AHL bury. Still not ideal.

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Buffalo doesn't have to give up assets to get under the cap.
This is pretty good value given what Boyes has done recently. Don't think it works capwise for the Pens.

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07-28-2011, 09:03 AM
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As a pens fan I like this alot. Jeffrey did great last year until his knee injury and is pretty much penciled into the lineup for next year since he would have to clear waivers to be sent back down. The only issue is I dont think we can fit his salary as Shero usually like to leave a few million in wiggle room for the deadline

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07-28-2011, 09:15 AM
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As a Sabres fan, I do this in a heartbeat. Jeffrey AND a 3rd rounder for Boyes, a guy who's out the door on July 1, 2012, at the latest? Sign me up. Jeffrey would play four more seasons before becoming a UFA. He's also a natural center. At $575k, his value far exceeds his salary, and I think he could be a 35-40 pt secondary scorer this season.

Unfortunately, it doesn't work for Pittsburgh. They only have roughly $1.5m of cap space, and even Boyes for Jeffrey + Niskanen adds $2m in cap hit to Pittsburgh's ledger. Such a deal would have to happen at or around the deadline.

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07-28-2011, 09:20 AM
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1) Buffalo only gave up a 2nd for Boyes and he didn't do anything to increase his value while playing for the Sabres, so I'm not sure why the Pens would give up Jeffrey and a 3rd for him. Jeffrey alone is worth more than a 2nd...you pray for your 2nd rounders to progress like Jeffrey has since being drafted.

2) The Pens don't have the cap room to fit Boyes. If they hadn't signed Sullivan to be their RH shot PP presence, then Boyes would've been a nice target, but they did. Might as well see how SS acclimates and then maybe re-visit the Boyes option at the deadline.

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07-28-2011, 09:41 AM
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I should've checked myself, lol. Perhaps if they included Niskanen they could pull this off?
Again, back when Sekera wasn't signed, I'd have been willing to take on Niskanen as a bottom pairing man, and one of Letustu/Jeffrey, with Boyes and a 2nd pick going back. As it is right now, Niskanen will be wholly superfluous as an 8th D and I'd rather just keep Boyes. Our current logjam at wing won't nearly be as bad as the one on the blueline that could result. (If no one claims him off waivers, Morrisonn, who I think is still a decent bottom pairing guy, could be our 9th D in this scenario. Talk about a misallocation of resources.)

It's too bad, because as a team whose center line is set for the better part of the next decade, the Penguins will have spare centers quite often. Pretty much anyone besides the big three who isn't a clear 4C and nothing more will be an odd man out in terms of eventual salary.

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It's too bad, because as a team whose center line is set for the better part of the next decade, the Penguins will have spare centers quite often. Pretty much anyone besides the big three who isn't a clear 4C and nothing more will be an odd man out in terms of eventual salary.
That depends. The organization seems intent on trying Staal with Malkin on the 2nd line, so if that works, the 3rd line C spot can slide in Letestu/Jeffrey/whoever to that spot based on whoever translates better to wing etc.

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07-28-2011, 10:26 AM
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This is pretty good value given what Boyes has done recently. Don't think it works capwise for the Pens.
He's still right though, in that they don't need to dump Boyes for cap reasons. As for the proposal it's good value, don't think it would classify as salary dump from a Sabres fan POV. Don't know, if it works for the Pens.

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I like the value but it would be hard for the Penguins to fit him under the cap, even if they get rid of Niskanen.

FORWARDS
James Neal ($2.875m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) / Brad Boyes ($4.000m)
Chris Kunitz ($3.725m) / Evgeni Malkin ($8.700m) / Tyler Kennedy ($2.000m)
Matt Cooke ($1.800m) / Jordan Staal ($4.000m) / Steve Sullivan ($1.500m)
Craig Adams ($0.675m) / Mark Letestu ($0.625m) / Pascal Dupuis ($1.500m)
Arron Asham ($0.775m)

DEFENSEMEN
Brooks Orpik ($3.750m) / Kristopher Letang ($3.500m)
Paul Martin ($5.000m) / Zbynek Michalek ($4.000m)
Robert Bortuzzo ($0.535m) / Deryk Engelland ($0.566m)
Ben Lovejoy ($0.525m)

GOALTENDERS
Marc-Andre Fleury ($5.000m) / Brent Johnson ($0.600m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,351,667; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): -$51,667

Might make more sense next offseason when Kunitz and Sullivan are both out.

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07-28-2011, 11:04 AM
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kunitz is going nowhere unless he prices himself out of Pittsburgh

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Would love to see Boyes in Pittsburgh. But I don't think the Pens could afford his salary. What I like though (this could be good or bad), Boyes comes with one more year on his deal. Should he not produce or be a fit, the Pens can let him walk after the season. Jeffery is a center. He is really going to have a hard time finding a spot on the Penguins due to the Pens center depth. He more than likely is going to have to play wing. He also has to pass through waivers this year if he doesn't make the team and he would definitely be claimed. If Pittsburgh had more cap space, I would do this deal.

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07-28-2011, 11:11 AM
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I like the value but it would be hard for the Penguins to fit him under the cap, even if they get rid of Niskanen.

FORWARDS
James Neal ($2.875m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) / Brad Boyes ($4.000m)
Chris Kunitz ($3.725m) / Evgeni Malkin ($8.700m) / Tyler Kennedy ($2.000m)
Matt Cooke ($1.800m) / Jordan Staal ($4.000m) / Steve Sullivan ($1.500m)
Craig Adams ($0.675m) / Mark Letestu ($0.625m) / Pascal Dupuis ($1.500m)
Arron Asham ($0.775m)

DEFENSEMEN
Brooks Orpik ($3.750m) / Kristopher Letang ($3.500m)
Paul Martin ($5.000m) / Zbynek Michalek ($4.000m)
Robert Bortuzzo ($0.535m) / Deryk Engelland ($0.566m)
Ben Lovejoy ($0.525m)

GOALTENDERS
Marc-Andre Fleury ($5.000m) / Brent Johnson ($0.600m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,351,667; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): -$51,667

Might make more sense next offseason when Kunitz and Sullivan are both out.
Yeah, for some reason nhlnumbers (the OP's source) can't add:
$37.475m + $18.842m + $5.6m = $57.917m? (it should be $61.917m)

Edit: Lol, just noticed someone already mentioned it.


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He's still right though, in that they don't need to dump Boyes for cap reasons. As for the proposal it's good value, don't think it would classify as salary dump from a Sabres fan POV. Don't know, if it works for the Pens.
I don't think Sabres would be against moving Boyes provided they can get a decent return and shedding his salary is a plus.

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It definitely sounds interesting, given our lack of depth at center. Pittsburgh folks, can you tell me more about Jeffrey? I don't know much about his game aside from 7 goals and 5 assists in 25 games (which ain't too shabby, I will admit). What's his style of play? Who does he remind you of?

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I don't think Sabres would be against moving Boyes provided they can get a decent return and shedding his salary is a plus.
No doubt about that, but it would need to be a "hockey trade" (I'm starting to hate that word). I'm confident saying that they won't let him go for simply a pick, even if it's fair value or if they get back the 2nd they gave up for him. Trading him for a center like Jeffrey, Letestu, Cal O'Reilly, etc. wouldn't weaken Buffalo's roster too much for next season while addressing their weak center depth and getting a decent young player with some upside on a cap-friendly deal.

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