Well, if it did, it may be a blessing in disguise in a sick kind of way. If Tambellini was in the wrong that badly, and we did lose our first, it would surely mean he would get punted down the highway.
If the compensation was lets say a fourth or even a third rounder, then he may be allowed to continue cocking up things for us and continue these yearly embarrassments.
Irregardless, if this does fall on Tambellini's head, then I hope both him and Lowe are finished here for good.
Khabibulin, Heatley, Souray, and now this in a span of three years is just too many examples of incompetence and too many chances given to carry on with the same crew of idiots at the helm.
I completely disagree, this next 1st will probably be the final core building block through the draft. No matter who our GM is that pick is key, to lose it just to change management would be a brutal trade off. If Tambo isn't the man for the job that will come after next years draft when we see what he adds to make a push for the postseason in '12-13.
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I completely disagree, this next 1st will probably be the final core building block through the draft. No matter who our GM is that pick is key, to lose it just to change management would be a brutal trade off. If Tambo isn't the man for the job that will come after next years draft when we see what he adds to make a push for the postseason in '12-13.
Well, losing the pick would be no small hump to get over, but I would contend that if indeed this fiasco is or was Tambellini's fault (still yet to be determined) then keeping someone around that is a constant **** up is more detrimental to the team in the long run.
The damage that someone like that could cause may be much, much worse than just losing one draft pick, albeit a high one.
Think about all the potential ways someone like that with that much control could hurt the team.
In every thread, you have Oilers hatred. Blaming Lowe when he's not even the GM is typical of you. Why blame someone when you don't have a clue what happened. I don't recall Khabbi or Heatly bad-mouthing the Oilers. It was that jackass Souray who bad-mouthed the Oilers and did it 4 times. If Souray was so right why was he not picked up on waivers since he was put on waivers 4 times. Don't defend Souray as if he's an angel. He's anything but an angel and criticized them again and again. Heatly wanted to go to a sunny place like California. Khabbi didn't bad-mouth the Oilers. You keep saying things to fit you agenda of the Lowe/ Tambellini hatred.
You seriously think that an offer sheet that would make Hall sign it and the Oilers not match would be that low? And there's no point even talking about Eberle. He flat out won't leave Edmonton
Well, 7.8M is quite high for Hall; it would at least make big problems for youre salary cap
You're right. Would have to aim lower at a no compensation RFA. Not sure LA has any of those right now, but I think some kind of tantrum would be warranted.
No it most certainly would not be. We are very lucky the Vanek O/S got matched or we would have no MPS, no Taylor Hall, and no RNH. That is the kind of emotional reactionary baloney that Lowe used to bring and used to get us and him in trouble.
No, it would be time to get rid of the Laurel and Hardy show and replace them with intelligent professionals that dont let every off-season turn into the Benny Hill show.
It feels to me that this entire mess is over a lowly roster spot.
Tambo didn't want to spend a roster spot to bring in a large salary dump. Hence, he required a player to go back in the trade.
Lombardi doesn't want a player who can't be bought out eating up a roster spot. Hence, he's mad that he's left holding the bag on this one.
The Oilers will "lose" this grievance if they are forced to take Fraser back. Bank on it, that's what Lombardi is going to press for.
Allow me to present you with Tempest2i's interpretation of what the hell happened and why we've gotten to this point. Presented to you by insomnia and a general lack of anything better to do. Feel free to skip over this if you're offended by long posts.
DL: "Steve, Ryan wants to come back to the Oilers."
ST: "Great."
DL: "So I'm thinking a 7th round pick and some future considerations"
ST: "I'm close to the limit of signed players Dean, you're going to have to take someone back"
DL: "Really?"
ST: "Yup."
DL: "Ok... um... our roster is pretty much set. Kinda hoping to keep some flexibility during the free agent period. I don't think you guys have anyone to offer that we could use"
ST: "Meh, I'm not doing this deal unless you take a player. I'm taking a lot of cap space off your books Dean, you have to do something for me on this one. How about Brule?"
DL: "I'll run it past my guys"
(a day later)
DL: "No can do Steve, my lawyers/the league says you can't buy out Brule because he's not healthy. You know the PA would **** bricks if we even tried to do that to a guy coming off a concussion"
ST: "Damn."
DL: "How about we just do the trade on future considerations?"
ST: "Not gonna happen. How about Fraser? He broke his foot last year but my Docs say he's supposed to be ready to start training again next week"
DL: "Well... if he's ready to go next week we'll be able to buy him out before the window closes... let me run this past the guys"
(couple hours later)
DL: "Yup, we're good on my side. Let's finish this"
ST: "Sounds good"
(a week later)
DL: "Hey Steve, our Docs had a look at Colin, he's got a cyst on that foot. It's not looking like he's going to be ready to go any time soon."
ST: "Ok"
DL: "Yeah, I don't think you're understanding me here. I said he's probably going to need surgery to correct this."
ST: "Um... ok"
DL: "Steve, you said he'd be ready to go this week."
ST: "That's what the time line was from my medical staff"
DL: "Yeah... well he's not going to be ready to go."
ST: "ok"
DL: "What the hell man, you said he's be ready to buy out by now?"
ST: "(silence) I'm telling you what I had been told. You got the medical reports we had. This is news to me just like it's news to you"
DL: "Well you're going to have to take him back."
ST: "Nope. No can do."
(Steve proceeds to stop answering the phone when Dean calls as per instructions from the Oilers lawyers)
Well, losing the pick would be no small hump to get over, but I would contend that if indeed this fiasco is or was Tambellini's fault (still yet to be determined) then keeping someone around that is a constant **** up is more detrimental to the team in the long run.
The damage that someone like that could cause may be much, much worse than just losing one draft pick, albeit a high one.
Think about all the potential ways someone like that with that much control could hurt the team.
Its not even close imo.
If this was his fault management needs to take notes. IMO keeping on top of the situation is better than needing to get screwed over to realize a wrong had been done.
It feels to me that this entire mess is over a lowly roster spot.
Tambo didn't want to spend a roster spot to bring in a large salary dump. Hence, he required a player to go back in the trade.
Lombardi doesn't want a player who can't be bought out eating up a roster spot. Hence, he's mad that he's left holding the bag on this one.
The Oilers will "lose" this grievance if they are forced to take Fraser back. Bank on it, that's what Lombardi is going to press for.
Allow me to present you with Tempest2i's interpretation of what the hell happened and why we've gotten to this point. Presented to you by insomnia and a general lack of anything better to do. Feel free to skip over this if you're offended by long posts.
DL: "Steve, Ryan wants to come back to the Oilers."
ST: "Great."
DL: "So I'm thinking a 7th round pick and some future considerations"
ST: "I'm close to the limit of signed players Dean, you're going to have to take someone back"
DL: "Really?"
ST: "Yup."
DL: "Ok... um... our roster is pretty much set. Kinda hoping to keep some flexibility during the free agent period. I don't think you guys have anyone to offer that we could use"
ST: "Meh, I'm not doing this deal unless you take a player. I'm taking a lot of cap space off your books Dean, you have to do something for me on this one. How about Brule?"
DL: "I'll run it past my guys"
(a day later)
DL: "No can do Steve, my lawyers/the league says you can't buy out Brule because he's not healthy. You know the PA would **** bricks if we even tried to do that to a guy coming off a concussion"
ST: "Damn."
DL: "How about we just do the trade on future considerations?"
ST: "Not gonna happen. How about Fraser? He broke his foot last year but my Docs say he's supposed to be ready to start training again next week"
DL: "Well... if he's ready to go next week we'll be able to buy him out before the window closes... let me run this past the guys"
(couple hours later)
DL: "Yup, we're good on my side. Let's finish this"
ST: "Sounds good"
(a week later)
DL: "Hey Steve, our Docs had a look at Colin, he's got a cyst on that foot. It's not looking like he's going to be ready to go any time soon."
ST: "Ok"
DL: "Yeah, I don't think you're understanding me here. I said he's probably going to need surgery to correct this."
ST: "Um... ok"
DL: "Steve, you said he'd be ready to go this week."
ST: "That's what the time line was from my medical staff"
DL: "Yeah... well he's not going to be ready to go."
ST: "ok"
DL: "What the hell man, you said he's be ready to buy out by now?"
ST: "(silence) I'm telling you what I had been told. You got the medical reports we had. This is news to me just like it's news to you"
DL: "Well you're going to have to take him back."
ST: "Nope. No can do."
(Steve proceeds to stop answering the phone when Dean calls as per instructions from the Oilers lawyers)
Sounds about right, except I believe that Lombardi used more colorful language Or it could be that he was ticked that he struck out in free agency?
If this was his fault management needs to take notes. IMO keeping on top of the situation is better than needing to get screwed over to realize a wrong had been done.
If Tambo is found in the wrong then Lowe and Katz need to realize this for what it is and basically have him on probation. IIRC every trade goes through at least Lowe so they can keep an eye on what he does. If things keep coming up lemons on everything that he touches, then can him.
It was that jackass Souray who bad-mouthed the Oilers and did it 4 times.
You say "four" (wouldn't mind some links to the four separate times you are talking about but that's beside the point I guess) like that's somehow different than doing it once or twice . Somehow I think you'd be just as outraged if he'd done it only once .
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If Souray was so right why was he not picked up on waivers since he was put on waivers 4 times.
Because his salary was an abomination even at half price .... any idea who signed him to that deal Narnia ? You will notice the Stars signed him virtually the moment free agency opened . Watch Souray outscore every Oiler defenceman not named Whitney this coming season . Wanna bet ?
If Tambo is found in the wrong then Lowe and Katz need to realize this for what it is and basically have him on probation. IIRC every trade goes through at least Lowe so they can keep an eye on what he does. If things keep coming up lemons on everything that he touches, then can him.
So yearly fiasco's warrant probation?
I dont think so.
If this falls on Tambellini, then I think we need to be honest with ourselves and realize that he is well and truly incompetent and is undeserving of even one more chance. This was a pretty straightforward deal. Take Smyth and in return send a body back the other way. Its pretty inconceivable that you **** that up not once but two times sending injured/unfit players the other way.
That is pretty hard to do, even on purpose.
This is a guy we are going to trust to get us out of the mess we are in?
Im thinking any number of boobs from HF Oil could do a better job than that.
If Tambo is found in the wrong then Lowe and Katz need to realize this for what it is and basically have him on probation. IIRC every trade goes through at least Lowe so they can keep an eye on what he does. If things keep coming up lemons on everything that he touches, then can him.
I like that, "Dumber" giving the ok to "Dumbs" trades.
The whole feeling on this issue has shifted way over to Tambo possibly being at fault... It was better when I got a reassuring vibe from here...
Oilers don't have a history of support from the league do they? If so then having this finally decided by the NHL is a good thing as we can count on their objective decision... If not then we are in trouble.
I don't think voiding the trade will work because Smyth has probably already purchased a house and the 'announcement' has been made (which I still think is probably part of Lombardi's waiting strategy)..It just wouldn't go over well with the Edmonton public and probably the NHLPA.
If we are forced to take Fraser back.. well it's better than some alternatives... but if the league makes us take Fraser back and give up another draft pick Lombardi has manipulated them in my opinion... He gets the trade he originally wanted by stomping and whining and that is a poor precedent to set...
Will Bettman take into account the entire trade? Such as our need to unload a body and our depth at LW.... that we are overpaying for a player we weren't seeking.. there are some sacrifices made by the Oilers in this as well and c'mon Smyth would have been a good soldier and stayed in LA and played his heart out for his remaining year even after asking to go home. LA really wanted to make this trade and they made a booboo in their hurry to seal it.
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This thread amuses me. If the kings as for a first. Oilers should offer smyth back to them as comp then or horcoff. The most I see the queens getting is a 3rd
Its only Oiler fans that want to rehash this stuff over and over and over again. Hey, everyone is entitled to his or her opinion, I get it.
The Oilers have made mistakes, I can admit that. But recently they've made some positive moves and the future looks sick, so I'm happy for the most part.
This LA thing is just a part of doing business thats been made public.
This thread amuses me. If the kings as for a first. Oilers should offer smyth back to them as comp then or horcoff. The most I see the queens getting is a 3rd
That seems like a lot of compensation because Colin Fraser isn't able to play on schedule.
let's just get the announcement from the judges... sheesh...
You guys have the scope of potential compensation way out of whack. If they do get compensated (which is a HUUUUUUGE stretch and would make this a much bigger story than it is since it would send a message to the league that it's now up to the trading team to make sure the player sent away is healthy, even if the receiving team turns down doing their own physical)... even if they get compensated we're talking about the draft pick getting bumped up a round. Or what Dean asked for, the Oilers paying his salary for a couple months.
No it most certainly would not be. We are very lucky the Vanek O/S got matched or we would have no MPS, no Taylor Hall, and no RNH. That is the kind of emotional reactionary baloney that Lowe used to bring and used to get us and him in trouble.
No, it would be time to get rid of the Laurel and Hardy show and replace them with intelligent professionals that dont let every off-season turn into the Benny Hill show.
I'd be curious to know what constitutes a successful season for next year. If they finish in the lottery again (as I am predicting) does Tambo automatically get another pass? How many more years of this can they have before he's held accountable?
I'd be curious to know what constitutes a successful season for next year. If they finish in the lottery again (as I am predicting) does Tambo automatically get another pass? How many more years of this can they have before he's held accountable?
Eight years seems to be the magic number. Only five more to go. We're almost half way there!
You guys have the scope of potential compensation way out of whack. If they do get compensated (which is a HUUUUUUGE stretch and would make this a much bigger story than it is since it would send a message to the league that it's now up to the trading team to make sure the player sent away is healthy, even if the receiving team turns down doing their own physical)... even if they get compensated we're talking about the draft pick getting bumped up a round. Or what Dean asked for, the Oilers paying his salary for a couple months.
I think if they side with LA on the trade that the league will send a message and that it will be more then bumping the draft pick up a round. Their going to want to deter other GM's from any dirty dealing, which if they side with LA is what they will have found. So the compensation could be a lot higher then your expecting.
Or it could be that he was ticked that he struck out in free agency?
let's just get the announcement from the judges... sheesh...
