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08-02-2011, 08:41 PM
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Meh, he's had a good couple of seasons but people for some reason continually ignore how good defensively all of their forwards are, how good in his own zone Chara is. How well the entire team is at clearing rebounds out.

You could have thrown Miller, Lundqvist, Price or Ward on that Bruins team and they would have won the cup.

I LOL at people who actually think Thomas was the number 1 reason tehy won the cup.
Conn Smyth, but I guess u know better.

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Conn Smyth, but I guess u know better.
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Conn Smyth, but I guess u know better.
Yes there was no one real stand out guy on the Bruins, of course the goalie with the fantastic numbers is going to get it. He was great don't get me wrong, but he was NOT the most important part of that team. People talk about how he carried that team to the finals, it's bizarre.

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Yes there was no one real stand out guy on the Bruins, of course the goalie with the fantastic numbers is going to get it. He was great don't get me wrong, but he was NOT the most important part of that team. People talk about how he carried that team to the finals, it's bizarre.
Not to the finals but in the finals.

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Not to the finals but in the finals.
vancouver dragged themselves out of the finals. TT was way more beastly in the other series IMO

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I wouldn't take Crosby for anyone, he's finished ,but u r way over estimating P.K.
Wow, a concussion specialist, and talent evaluator, we are lucky to have you here.

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vancouver dragged themselves out of the finals. TT was way more beastly in the other series IMO
Really,we watched a diffrent PO .I thought he was horrible against Montreal,as good as he needed to be against Philly,just ok against Tampa but eight goals in seven games,what else do u need ? Anyway when Price can put in that kind of preformance than he can #1.But until then I'll go with Timmy.

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Wow, a concussion specialist, and talent evaluator, we are lucky to have you here.
Not a specialist on concussions and you don't have to be a talent evaluator to know P.K. ,while good is not nor will he be as great as u make him out to be and finally yes u r lucky to have me here ,as I see without homer glasses on.

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Not a specialist on concussions and you don't have to be a talent evaluator to know P.K. ,while good is not nor will he be as great as u make him out to be and finally yes u r lucky to have me here ,as I see without homer glasses on.
If homer glasses help you find the Bruins forum, they might be helpful.

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I know it's in fashion right now to bash the hell out of Luongo, but he deserves to be higher on this list.

As for Price, 5th or 6th right now is about right but I think he'll be the best goalie in the league in the next few years.

He better be, we'll have a lot riding on him.

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08-02-2011, 10:20 PM
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Its a decent list.

I never felt like the habs were outclassed in any goalie matchup last season with Price in net. Now its just a matter of doing it season after season.

Here's my top 10
  1. Rinne
  2. Lundqvist
  3. Miller
  4. Price
  5. Thomas
  6. Vokoun
  7. Ward
  8. Kiprusoff
  9. Halak
  10. Hiller
Clear hater...


To put Kiprusoff in front of Luongo is ridiculousness.

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Meh, he's had a good couple of seasons but people for some reason continually ignore how good defensively all of their forwards are, how good in his own zone Chara is. How well the entire team is at clearing rebounds out.

You could have thrown Miller, Lundqvist, Price or Ward on that Bruins team and they would have won the cup.

I LOL at people who actually think Thomas was the number 1 reason tehy won the cup.
No Thomas = No Cup...

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You sir just lost any credibility you ever had with this statement. I think your erection for Subban is doing all the thinking here and it's kinda making you look like you have no idea what you're talking about.
Did I say Subban was better than Crosby? No.

Do you read/watch the news, y'know, sports news? Crosby will be a risk for the rest of his career. If there's one thing you don't want in hockey, it's a player who is prone to CC. That's why I wouldn't even want Crosby for Subban.

So yeah, thanks for asking more precision on why I said that, instead of acting like a teenager and concluding for me.

As for Subban, you can -those 4 letters that mean to shut it up- and wait to see if my prediction is right, as I don't care what you think my credibility is, or anyone else for that matter. I don't need validation from others to see if I'm right or wrong. I let facts do that.


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And IMO, Price definitely has the most worth on the Habs.
That's because you disregard or ignore many factors.

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In fact, like it was mentioned before, he quite possibly has the most value for any goaltender in the league.
That's because you again disregard or ignore many factors. While he does have a high value among goalies, doesn't mean he has higher value than Subban. Don't respond to this part yet, wait till I tell you the factors you are ignoring.

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It may not be quite clear to you yet because i'm willing to bet you were one of the fans hoping the Habs would trade Price instead of Halak but give it a year or two and you'll see exactly what i'm talking about.


If you'd ask around or done a search, you would see that I've always been a big fan of Price, followed him for a long time, saw most of his entire calder cup run, defended him last summer, said that his only problem was between his ears, confidence, and that I wasn't worried one bit about him before last season started. I was always of the opinion that Halak would be shipped out before Price ever will, and that Price would end-up to be the better goalie. I defended the Halak trade, while most wanted PG's head. Most posters who've been around here in the last two years will attest to that. Here, ask a mod, Natey2k... he'll tell you all about our talks of Halak vs Price. You'll see just how ridiculous you looked with your assumption.

You'll see that there's a whole reality you're missing. A reality where the difference in talent between goalies has never been as small. There are no more than 40-50 regular goalies in this league, but there are over 200 defensemen. It's simple logic, your defensive gem will be worth a lot more than your goaltending gem, especially if the difference in talent is small for the latter category, not because one is slightly better overall and whatnot, but simply because of much higher scarcity vs the overall number that can be found. This fact becomes glaring when you see the value of goalies on the trade market. It is also important to add the factor of the Habs organization, the leading developers of goaltenders. Goalies today are all mostly highly talented, and their stats are often a product of the system they play in and the players they play with. Basically, while I think Price is better than Halak, have always thought that, I'm also of the opinion that there wouldn't be that much difference if we had any of the 15 best goalies in net instead of Price.

And as far as Subban is concerned, I'm as stoked about him than I was about Price after his rookie season. I knew Price was the complete package, just as I know Subban is the complete package. Disagree all you want, you can make all the assumptions you want (talk about great credibility -ahem-), it won't change what will happen. In two years from now, odds are you'll be the one who'll finally start to 'get it' and things will become clearer for you.


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I'm not a Habs fan... So I don't have homer glasses or a favorite in player. In fact, I dislike them all equally as much.
As a Bruins fan, I can say when we think Habs game-changer, we don't think PK Subban. We think Price. I watch every Bruins game, so I've seen the two of them play quite a few times, and Price is the guy we think is going to swing a a game in the Habs favor. From what I've seen, Habs fans view Chara as the guy on the Bruins they don't like to see on the other team. Bruins fans dont like to see Price in net. Subban, from what I've seen, is an offensive threat with very little toughness. Offensive defensemen are all well and good, but to be a top 5 in the league type of guy he's got a long way to go imo. Carey Price is there already. And that nonsense about 50 goalies vs 200 defensemen is exactly that. That's like trying to say the twentieth best defenseman, if he were around Price's age, would be a straight swap. Not a chance. Price is going to be the player the Bruins fans hate to face for a long time. Subban will just be the guy they hate.

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Clear hater...


To put Kiprusoff in front of Luongo is ridiculousness.
I struggled with kipper's rating tbh. He definitely dropped in my ratings as he was once in my top 3.

Luongo was easily in my top 10 at one point.... right now he's probably #11 or 12.

I'm trying to take into consideration not only what these goalies have done so far, but also how I think they will fare in the near future.... so I expect alot of criticsm especially towards the end of my list.

In the case of goalies like brodeur, luongo, and kipper, their stock has dropped imo, while guys like thomas, rinne, and price elevated

now, if luongo can get back to the form of anything like 2007, he's easily in my top 3. There's just not a whole lot separating these goalies tbh.

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No Thomas = No Cup...
I think Thomas was at the right place at the right time but lets be realistic, he gave alot of softies all along the playoffs too, he has been lucky to have a such hockey machine in front of him every nights.. I will give him that he made some important saves too but it was far from being a dominant goaltending performance, In fact Thomas could be compared to Chris Osgood, a pretty strong team playing in front of him complemented more by a charactere guy than a top notch goaltender.. Im happy for him cause I like the man, I like his warrior attitude but lets be real, any goaltenders in the top 5 could have got the numbers Thomas has had last year if playing for the Bruins, Bruins have been pretty solid, consistent, extremmely tough to play against as much at home as on the road this year.. I just cant imagine how easy it could have been in the playoffs for the Bruins with a super goaltender in net, ala Price, ala Rinne...

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I think Thomas was at the right place at the right time but lets be realistic, he gave alot of softies all along the playoffs too, he has been lucky to have a such hockey machine in front of him every nights.. I will give him that he made some important saves too but it was far from being a dominant goaltending performance, In fact Thomas could be compared to Chris Osgood, a pretty strong team playing in front of him complemented more by a charactere guy than a top notch goaltender.. Im happy for him cause I like the man, I like his warrior attitude but lets be real, any goaltenders in the top 5 could have got the numbers Thomas has had last year if playing for the Bruins, Bruins have been pretty solid, consistent, extremmely tough to play against as much at home as on the road this year.. I just cant imagine how easy it could have been in the playoffs for the Bruins with a super goaltender in net, ala Price, ala Rinne...
Rinne and Price are really good, but do they set the sv% and GAA records, and win the Vezina and Conn Smythe in the same season on the Bruins? I doubt it. To say that any great goalie would have arguably the best season ever played just by playing for the Bruins might be a stretch.

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Rinne and Price are really good, but do they set the sv% and GAA records, and win the Vezina and Conn Smythe in the same season on the Bruins? I doubt it. To say that any great goalie would have arguably the best season ever played just by playing for the Bruins might be a stretch.
You're completely right.



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Wow what a list, all 25 are fantastic goalies. Hard to pick a top ten in that list let alone a top 5.

Right now in my opinion the top 5 are Thomas, Rinne, Miller, Price, and Lundqvist in no specific order. In my opinion Brodeur should retire because he is getting slow and should go out before embarassing himself by hanging around too long.

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I'm not a Habs fan... So I don't have homer glasses or a favorite in player. In fact, I dislike them all equally as much.
As a Bruins fan, I can say when we think Habs game-changer, we don't think PK Subban. We think Price. I watch every Bruins game, so I've seen the two of them play quite a few times, and Price is the guy we think is going to swing a a game in the Habs favor. From what I've seen, Habs fans view Chara as the guy on the Bruins they don't like to see on the other team. Bruins fans dont like to see Price in net. Subban, from what I've seen, is an offensive threat with very little toughness. Offensive defensemen are all well and good, but to be a top 5 in the league type of guy he's got a long way to go imo. Carey Price is there already. And that nonsense about 50 goalies vs 200 defensemen is exactly that. That's like trying to say the twentieth best defenseman, if he were around Price's age, would be a straight swap. Not a chance. Price is going to be the player the Bruins fans hate to face for a long time. Subban will just be the guy they hate.
Very well said and acurate.

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I think Thomas was at the right place at the right time but lets be realistic, he gave alot of softies all along the playoffs too, he has been lucky to have a such hockey machine in front of him every nights.. I will give him that he made some important saves too but it was far from being a dominant goaltending performance, In fact Thomas could be compared to Chris Osgood, a pretty strong team playing in front of him complemented more by a charactere guy than a top notch goaltender.. Im happy for him cause I like the man, I like his warrior attitude but lets be real, any goaltenders in the top 5 could have got the numbers Thomas has had last year if playing for the Bruins, Bruins have been pretty solid, consistent, extremmely tough to play against as much at home as on the road this year.. I just cant imagine how easy it could have been in the playoffs for the Bruins with a super goaltender in net, ala Price, ala Rinne...
Against the Habs and Tampa ur right he wasn't that good, gave lots of softies away,but against Vancover diffrent story ,I have to agree with Bobby Orr on this and I quote " I don't think I have ever seen a goalie dominate the way Thomas did in this years Stanley Cup finals..."

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Against the Habs and Tampa ur right he wasn't that good, gave lots of softies away,but against Vancover diffrent story ,I have to agree with Bobby Orr on this and I quote " I don't think I have ever seen a goalie dominate the way Thomas did in this years Stanley Cup finals..."
You quoted discriminantly. "Bobby Orr Says Tim Thomas Was 'Out of This World' During Stanley Cup Run, Not Sure He's Ever Seen a Performance Like It".

http://www.nesn.com/2011/07/bobby-or...en-a-perf.html

He wasn't speaking just about the finals. By the way Thomas set a record for saves in a playoffs year and saves in a finals so go fish.

"He gave lots of softies away" What?! Seriously?? We would NOT have won a cup without him period. You make it sound any goalie would have won a cup with this team ..... nuts! How can anyone who claims to be knowledgable about hockey even claim lots of softies??? Vezina, record setting regular season, record setting post season etc etc etc. Lunacy and clearly homer "hate bostonitis" syndrome.

Boston fans at least acknowledge that Price is wicked good. hell you guys would NOT have had a game 7 without him. He stole game 6.

Meh ... whatever. We'll enjoy our Cup the bruins won being goons with poor goaltending and were very lucky. Good grief.


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I don't recall seeing that HFBoards had individual registrations for each team's forum. Some of you guys slip through the fence over to our board as well generally in good nature and friendly rivalry.

When a fan claims Thomas won a cup by letting in lots of softies when the rest of the NHL world that isn't from Montreal knows it was one of the best goaltender performances seen in decades in the playoffs as a fan I must mention it. If pointing out complete lunacy is trolling then so be it, I would say the same thing on any board including the Bruins one.

Especially after I came here and stated Price was one of the top 5 goalies in the NHL along with Thomas and 3 others earlier in this thread.


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You quoted discriminantly. "Bobby Orr Says Tim Thomas Was 'Out of This World' During Stanley Cup Run, Not Sure He's Ever Seen a Performance Like It".

http://www.nesn.com/2011/07/bobby-or...en-a-perf.html

He wasn't speaking just about the finals. By the way Thomas set a record for saves in a playoffs year and saves in a finals so go fish.

"He gave lots of softies away" What?! Seriously?? We would NOT have won a cup without him period. You make it sound any goalie would have won a cup with this team ..... nuts! How can anyone who claims to be knowledgable about hockey even claim lots of softies??? Vezina, record setting regular season, record setting post season etc etc etc. Lunacy and clearly homer "hate bostonitis" syndrome.

Boston fans at least acknowledge that Price is wicked good. hell you guys would NOT have had a game 7 without him. He stole game 6.

Meh ... whatever. We'll enjoy our Cup the bruins won being goons with poor goaltending and were very lucky. Good grief.
Hate to tell u this but I am a Bruins fan.I agree we would not have won without him but truth be tols against Montreal especially he gave away a lot of softies a hand full maybe.

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