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08-02-2011, 01:34 PM
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More money in Calgary...

...Huh?....did I say anything about money? And yes there is more money in the administration and buisness end of the oilfield there. We have all the blue collar workers. We get the Ft Mac traffic. Calgary is the buisness....Edmonton does the work!

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...Huh?....did I say anything about money? And yes there is more money in the administration and buisness end of the oilfield there. We have all the blue collar workers. We get the Ft Mac traffic. Calgary is the buisness....Edmonton does the work!
Ummmmm...yes I believe you did. something like money is the root of all evil.

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Gary Indiana, a city with a population of around 80,000 had 54 murders in 2010. The odds of you getting murdered in Edmonton are near lottery jackpot odds of occurrence. YMMV.

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Ummmmm...yes I believe you did. something like money is the root of all evil.
Heh -ya, he did...

"MONEY is the root of everything."

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I said it in another thread, but it's worth mentioning here too. Once that new remand center is built I'd hope we see a change with our crime in general. One of the biggest problems is there is no where to put criminals, so they get away with a crime that they should've spent years behind jail. Sooner or later these criminals start doing bigger and bigger crimes.

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Edmonton population 782,439
Calgary Population 1,090,936

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Ummmmm...yes I believe you did. something like money is the root of all evil.
Thats the only part that you didn't quote me...lol. Are you going to say that money is not the problem then? I would like to hear the answer to this one! Is it just a coincidence that our murder rate just keeps climbing? Have you ever lived anywhere other than Alberta? Have you lived anywhere where the economy wasn't based off oil?

Trust me...it's a lot different than it is here! You don't have that insurance when you get out of high school that you can just go get a job and start your life. You really have to work your way up. You have to save money and be smart. Here you can just go next door and get a new job if you lose yours. You don't have 10 people competing for 1 position. Here you can get hired over the phone when things are good. When things go bad you have to compete with 20000 other people for a job. Alberta in my opinion is boom and bust. Always has been always will be.

Im an Albertan. Ive lived here 19 of my 34 years. I have been able to watch this happen right in front of my eyes. I don't think anyone on here can say that oil doesn't have negetive effect on society. It has its positives too. But the negatives far out weigh the positive in my opinion. We have really lost out sense of community. This happens when you have a massive influx of people. Neighbors aren't as keen to watch out for their other neighbors anymore. Your lucky if you know half the people on your block. Things just aren't like they used to be.

So to sum it up in my opinion:

Oil=Money
Money=Drugs
Drugs=Gangs
Gangs=Murders

Everyone loses!

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Edmonton population 782,439
Calgary Population 1,090,936
Why the hell are there so many people who seem to pull random numbers out of their ass with no explanation whatsoever. Care to explain how you got those numbers? As per 2006 Census data:

Calgary:
City 988,193 (3rd)
Metro 1,079,310 (5th)

Edmonton:
City 730,372 (5th)
Metro 1,034,945 (6th)

Also lol at the people who claim that they don't care about the city's image or that they're indifferent to the city's appalling murder rate.

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08-02-2011, 02:00 PM
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I think there is a fairly simple reason we are so much higher than Calgary. I listen to Cop Talk on Saturdat sometimes (on 630), and the hosts eevery once in a while bring this up. Don't quote me on the numbers here, maybe someone here knows them.

It falls along the line of the amount of City budget for Policing. Calgary's, from what I hear on that show, is a hell of allot higher. Almost 3 times higher if I recall correctly. Anybody here know the numbers?
I don't think that is right, during the municipal election here Mayor Nenshi was arguing that our police budget was to high. He compared the budget to amount of police force and Calgary and Edmonton were pretty similar, but they were both higher then all other major cities in the country. The suggestion of gang related activity migrating north could be a reasonable explanation but I think Edmonton Murder rates have usually been higher then Calgary's.

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Why the hell are there so many people who seem to pull random numbers out of their ass with no explanation whatsoever. Care to explain how you got those numbers? As per Census data:

Calgary:
City 988,193 (3rd)
Metro 1,079,310 (5th)

Edmonton:
City 730,372 (5th)
Metro 1,034,945 (6th)

Also lol at the people who claim that they don't care about the city's image or that they're indifferent to the city's appalling murder rate.

Alberta population has a census and the numbers I posted is what they have.

http://www.altapop.ca/censustrackers.htm
http://www.altapop.ca/


Calgary 2011 census 1,090,936

Edmonton hasn't done a census since 2009 and the result was 782,439


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How about drunken fights ending in homicide? Probably a third of the total is alcohol-related, at least...

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We have a higher murder rate then Toronto(26)....a city 4 times the size of Edmonton.

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Try to google the murder rate of any canadian city. You'll be surprised to see Edmonton every time.

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Why the hell are there so many people who seem to pull random numbers out of their ass with no explanation whatsoever. Care to explain how you got those numbers? As per 2006 Census data:

Calgary:
City 988,193 (3rd)
Metro 1,079,310 (5th)

Edmonton:
City 730,372 (5th)
Metro 1,034,945 (6th)

Also lol at the people who claim that they don't care about the city's image or that they're indifferent to the city's appalling murder rate.
2011 Civic Census Overview
1. TOTAL POPULATION: is 1,090,936 an increase of 19,421 residents from 2010.
 Calgary’s population grew from 1,071,515 in April 2010 to 1,090,936 in April
of 2011. This represents an increase of 1.81%. This volume of population
growth is similar to what was experienced in 2001 and 2003


http://www.calgary.ca/docgallery/bu/...esult_book.pdf

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Thats the only part that you didn't quote me...lol.!
I was just pointing out that you clearly said something about money.

Otherwise I understand and mainly agree with you ideas. Although I wouldn't say it's steadily increasing as 2005 was the highest year for murders in Edmonton.

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Anyhow, looks like we could have homicides 34 and 35 by the end of the week. More often than not when the information is relayed to the media in this manner, they have great suspicion that whatever happened was intentional.

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Guys, it's sensitive material and this thread should probably be closed anyway. I'm willing to let it stay open if you guys can stay away from discussing the political and ethnic aspects of the topic - otherwise you can open a new thread in the Politics forum.

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We have a higher murder rate then Toronto(26)....a city 4 times the size of Edmonton.
What does the size of the city have to do with anything?

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Anyhow, looks like we could have homicides 34 and 35 by the end of the week. More often than not when the information is relayed to the media in this manner. They have great suspicion that whatever happened was intentional.
Is that for that fire?

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Is that for that fire?
Yeah that's what I'm referring to.

edit: Apparently the Journal is confirming that the death of one of the people is confirmed a homicide at this point but not the other. Not sure how that is possible. It actually kinda seems like a bush story for the Journal.

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/...842/story.html


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Why the hell are there so many people who seem to pull random numbers out of their ass with no explanation whatsoever. Care to explain how you got those numbers? As per 2006 Census data:

Calgary:
City 988,193 (3rd)
Metro 1,079,310 (5th)

Edmonton:
City 730,372 (5th)
Metro 1,034,945 (6th)
it grinds my gears when people do that, when they compare Edmonton and Calgary, they conveniently use Calgary's metro population but not Edmonton's to make it look like Calgary is much bigger....yes there are indeed many more people in the actual city of Calgary than Edmonton, and many more highrises in Calgary to give the illusion that the Calgary area is much bigger, but the metro areas are very similar. Edmonton thankfully has many more outlying towns around it than Calgary does, making it feel less crowded.

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Yeah that's what I'm referring to.

edit: Apparently the Journal is confirming that the death of one of the people is confirmed a homicide at this point but not the other. Not sure how that is possible. It actually kinda seems like a bush story for the Journal.

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/...842/story.html
Well one could have been unintentional no?

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We have many problems that lead to this kind of stuff.

1. High functioning drug addicts: Yes this group of people keep their jobs. They get up for work everyday. The work hard but they play even harder. Their drugs are their fuel.

2. BIG profits for dealers make it worth the risk: The amount of money these guys rake in is enough to do a year or two in prison and it's still worth it for them. High risk higher reward.

3. Have and have-nots: When I moved back out here after school I couldn't believe that you could get $20/hr to shovel dirt. Down east(Ottawa) I would have got $5.25 to do the same medial job. In Alberta you can make $100000 a year with a grade 10 education. The flip side of that is that people get used to the money. Then oil tanks and they lose their job. They proceed to lose everything and most have a hard time ever recovering. Especially if they are also a part of group number 1 above.

4. Expendable income: Makes our city a haven for Oil workers on leave. Thus allowing the drugs, gambling and prostitution rings to cash in on those black gold paychecks! And they do!

5. Fighting for the buisness: It's only going to get worse if they don't shut these guys down soon. Soon more and more guns will start showing up on the streets of Edmonton. The citizens will start to protect themselves. Bringing even more guns. This causes a vicious cycle that is going on in most north american cities already.
As a person who has always made a living in the oil field: I am partly offended by this post for it's generalizing perspective.

On the other hand, I can't deny there is also some truth to it.

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Gary Indiana, a city with a population of around 80,000 had 54 murders in 2010. The odds of you getting murdered in Edmonton are near lottery jackpot odds of occurrence. YMMV.
Yes, but Gary is: a) right next to the south side of Chicago (lots of drugs, gangs, and violence), and b) a city still struggling with the collapse of the American steel industry (urban blight and high poverty for the past 50 years).

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Yeah that's what I'm referring to.

edit: Apparently the Journal is confirming that the death of one of the people is confirmed a homicide at this point but not the other. Not sure how that is possible. It actually kinda seems like a bush story for the Journal.

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/...842/story.html
One of those kill someone, then burn the place and then end up killing another person in the process?

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