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07-29-2004, 11:45 AM
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Det/L.A. Trade Possibility?

What would it take to get RW Scott Barney and/or LW/C Sean Avery in a Wings uniform next year? Use the provided link to see Detroit's assets available for trade.

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What would it take to get RW Scott Barney and/or LW/C Sean Avery in a Wings uniform next year? Use the provided link to see Detroit's assets available for trade.
Yeah buddy....how does no sound?

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Yeah buddy....how does no sound?
Sounds like NO!

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i duno bout eveyrone else, but i like avery and barney a lot and hold probably a bit more sentimental value to both of them that may outweigh their true value. i'd probably take nothing less then datsyuk

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Ill give you Avery and Barney for Datsyuk.

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Avery for your 1st round pick in 2005.

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Yeah buddy....how does no sound?
It sounds like you either didn't read the question, think a question begining with "what would it take..." requires a yes or no answer, or feel that the red wings have nothing (players, draft picks, Money, etc.) that are worth Barney or Avery.

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the question is what would it take to get fischer

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the question is what would it take to get fischer
Corey Perry + ????

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Corey Perry + ????
I'm sure the Kings would jump all over that. I'm not sure the Ducks would be too pleased with the Kings trading one of their players though.


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Avery for your 1st round pick in 2005.
honestly, i wouldn't even do that. avery really is a special player who can truly be a captain somewhere down the line while the wings tend to always have late 1st rounders. so i'ts pretty much trading avery for an early 2nd, ill have to pass on that one.

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Both Barney and Avery are not guys who will have tremendous trade value but both are very valuable players on the ice. Given their respective ages, I think it is safe to assume both are in the long term plans of the Kings and would not be dealt unless they were traded for better, younger assets.

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Just reiterating what Willie posted (because he got to it before I could), Barney is an asset that has not had the opportunity to appreciate in value yet, so his perceived value by Detroit is going to be far less than the Kings perceived value. So Detroit is not going to be willing to give up much for Barney. Barney is on the cusp of making the full-time roster where is value will begin to appreciate. So right now, it makes no sense to trade Barney because his value is low and you won't get comparable talent in return.

As for Avery, similar situation. I think with Lappy now gone, Avery is more important to the Kings than he is to Detroit and Detroit would subsequently not give up comparable assets for him.

In summation, both Avery and Barney's value is low right now but about ready to climb. So why would the organization trade away assets while they're low. By low, SELL HIGH.

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Corey Perry + ????
hehe since I am here I will comment...I probably wouldn't trade Perry straight up for Fischer now. I believe in the kid and am not a big fan of Fischer.

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I think it would really suck to lose any one of these guys, Barney is just coming into his own and although he may not be an elite player he plays with a lot of heart and as for Avery...last year he became one of my favorite player by getting under the skin of the other teams player and fans...in my opinion these two should stay in L.A for a long time...hopefully DT feels the same way!

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Berg, Storr, Aulin, and a 1st for Datsuyk

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Berg, Storr, Aulin, and a 1st for Datsuyk

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i wouldnt be pissed with something like Howard and a 2nd for Barney.

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i wouldnt be pissed with something like Howard and a 2nd for Barney.
Shhhhhhhh. Kronwall + Howard + Kopecky.

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Shhhhhhhh. Kronwall + Howard + Kopecky.
Yeah this one is far better!

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man, i can't believe those are four 1st rounders...

what the heck were we thinking! and why do we suck so much at developing players?!?!

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man, i can't believe those are four 1st rounders...

what the heck were we thinking! and why do we suck so much at developing players?!?!
Aulin was a second rounder who was picked by Colorado.

The other two players were picked before the new management group took over. We have since doubled our scouting ranks overseas and in North America.

Besides, at the time those two were drafted they were pretty much consensus top picks

Berg was coming of a totally dominant WJC's and was considered the next surefire number one defenseman.

Jamie Storr had won every single award and championship in every tournament and league he had played in.

They just didn't pan out because they needed time to develop. At the time we didn't have an AHL affiliate of our own(shared with the Isles I believe), so the focus of that team was not necessarily on developing our prospects. We also were affiliated with the IHL(Ice Dogs) but the level of competition was far below that of the AHL. This is why one of the first thing Anchutz and co. took over was to get a team of their own in Manchester. They knew that youth and development were going to be key to building a successful Kings franchise.

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I don't see Detroit trading for Avery; if he was that valuable I doubt he would have been allowed to join in on the Schneider deal.

Barney, as others have said, has little value to other teams, but he's a great young player for the Kings. Since he just played his first season, he's only going to get better.

The only prospects you have I'm interested in are Grigorenko and Howard. I wouldn't trade either of them for Barney straight up. Avery, he's not the type of player you can get good value straight up. He's better to be part of a package deal, and, well, I don't want to trade him for either of those.

So, I don't see a trade possibility between Detroit and L.A. at least where Barney and Avery are concerned.

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Aulin was a second rounder who was picked by Colorado.

The other two players were picked before the new management group took over. We have since doubled our scouting ranks overseas and in North America.
i konw that, i'm saying why do we as a franchise suck at developing players, not we as in dave taylor.


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Besides, at the time those two were drafted they were pretty much consensus top picks

Berg was coming of a totally dominant WJC's and was considered the next surefire number one defenseman.

Jamie Storr had won every single award and championship in every tournament and league he had played in.

They just didn't pan out because they needed time to develop. At the time we didn't have an AHL affiliate of our own(shared with the Isles I believe), so the focus of that team was not necessarily on developing our prospects. We also were affiliated with the IHL(Ice Dogs) but the level of competition was far below that of the AHL. This is why one of the first thing Anchutz and co. took over was to get a team of their own in Manchester. They knew that youth and development were going to be key to building a successful Kings franchise.
i'm still very skeptical about the way we develop our players. frolov seemed to have done well but he came from Russia and seemed to have little to do with us. Brown I think we lost a year with him. Cammy, I don't know if he's goin to pan out or not for us. And other then that, I can think of only Barney who came out of our system. it's early so my head isn't thinkin straight, but i think the real acid test will be in the next few years when many of our prospects begin the transition to AHL and NHL.

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