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08-06-2011, 01:07 PM
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I'd still take the here and now over the potential.

Vancouver is a contender now, not down the road 3 - 5 years. We need proven players who consistently put up points.
Seeing as no one has ever produced or made the Sedins produce as much as they have with Burrows, than I don't see the point in moving Burrows save for Steven Stamkos coming over.

Potential is great yes, I'd love to have either player for nothing, but giving up our best PK forward and best defenseman for unknown to our franchise players. Guys who could just as likely not fit into the system as well, as they could flourish. I'd rather stick with the team who got 15 wins in the Stanley Cup playoffs
Its sad that you dont expect Vancouver the be a contender in 3-5 years from now.

Luongo, Ballard, Hamhuis, Bieksa, Kesler are still signed for the next 5 years.

and in 3 years The Sedin and Edlder wont be UFA yet


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08-06-2011, 01:26 PM
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Kulemin is better than Burrows and Subban has the same ceiling as Edler.
Uh, no. Kulemin might have the potential but currently is not even close when you accord for all the intangibles between them. Couple in the fact this was Kulemin's first 30 goal season, wherein previous years he netted literally half that, and yeah...

In any case, I would not move Burrows for Kulemin until the latter proves he can be consistent. Raymond went on a tear two years ago and look where he is now. I would take Subban for either Edler or Burrows though but that is just me.

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08-06-2011, 01:29 PM
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Get off your high horse, every teams' fans do this.

OP, we're not getting any of the 3 players you listed.
They're all morons for thinking anything can get a trade heavily favored in their own side accomplished with not trading away anything of value. The fact that you acknowledged that the Canucks aren't getting any of the three players listed is a testament to who he was offering, thus in full compliance with my comments.

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08-06-2011, 01:33 PM
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Its sad that you dont expect Vancouver the be a contender in 3-5 years from now.

Luongo, Ballard, Hamhuis, Bieksa, Kesler are still signed for the next 5 years.

and in 3 years The Sedin and Edlder wont be UFA yet
You are putting words in his mouth. We want to be a contender now, and in 3-5 years, which is difficult if we are relying on futures and maybes. Subban is a unique case given how much an impact he has had almost instantly. The kid was shutting down Crosby in only his third game. So I could definitely feel comfortable taking a gamble on him being the real deal, however I certainly see the logic used if Burrows was who went, in that we cannot afford to lose him. If it was not for the chemistry, I wouldn't give it a second thought.

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08-06-2011, 01:46 PM
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Its sad that you dont expect Vancouver the be a contender in 3-5 years from now.

Luongo, Ballard, Hamhuis, Bieksa, Kesler are still signed for the next 5 years.

and in 3 years The Sedin and Edlder wont be UFA yet
In three years Sedins can become UFA's, and in two years Edler can become a UFA, if has another successful season coming up (putting up elite points, while being a hardcore body checker) barring injury, he can expect $6M+ from Gillis as he'd probably get more in the market.

So it all depends on if MG re-signs the twins, then we can still be contenders a lot longer.

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08-06-2011, 01:58 PM
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In three years Sedins can become UFA's, and in two years Edler can become a UFA, if has another successful season coming up (putting up elite points, while being a hardcore body checker) barring injury, he can expect $6M+ from Gillis as he'd probably get more in the market.

So it all depends on if MG re-signs the twins, then we can still be contenders a lot longer.
Maybe my source are wrong, but as i see it they are signed until 2014

That gave them 3 full season

2011-2012
2012-2013
2013-2014

Same goes ofr Edlder

So why not Expecting Van to still be a contender in 2013-2014?

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08-06-2011, 02:06 PM
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Maybe my source are wrong, but as i see it they are signed until 2014

That gave them 3 full season

2011-2012
2012-2013
2013-2014

Same goes ofr Edlder

So why not Expecting Van to still be a contender in 2013-2014?
Edler is a UFA in 2013, same with Burrows.

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Edler is a UFA in 2013, same with Burrows.
Thank, my source was indeed wrong.

Hockeybuzzz cap central show edler as a RFA in 2013-2014

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08-06-2011, 02:13 PM
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Why would it take a huge overpayment to get Tanev? Tanev has played a grand total of 29 reg season games and 5 playoff games (sheltered minutes), had 1 point total & 1/2 a shot per game avg. don't get me wrong, I'm a huge Canuck's fan but saying Tanev is a solid replacement for Salo's points and shot are a real stretch, so far he hasn't shown anything that would suggest he'll be anything more than a good 5/6 Dman, he doesn't have the size to be a top 4 shutdown Dman and 1 point in 34 games doesn't suggest he'll ever be a big point producer
Cause Tanev isn't available for trade so if a team wanted him we wouldn't be putting him as part of a throw in. We're short on RH D man and Tanev fills that role well being cheap things we need. Tanev made the Canucks team last year at 20 years old fills a need as a rh dman what more shell I say... pretty hard to make a team as deep as the Canucks as a 20 year old and he showed a lot when he played and didn't look out of place, he's shown a lot more than a 5/6 player he played in the top 4 for us at times and played it very well.

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08-06-2011, 02:14 PM
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Maybe my source are wrong, but as i see it they are signed until 2014

That gave them 3 full season

Same goes ofr Edlder

So why not Expecting Van to still be a contender in 2013-2014?
Nope Edler has two seasons left.

IF we lose the Sedins we pretty much lose 150 - 180 points per season, basically a entire 1st line, RK then becomes the defacto #1, and we hope to god Hodgson pans out for the 2nd line, which could happen after 3 solid seasons of development.

We lose the twins, we basically go on a mini rebuild, losing our contending status, yes they are that important to this franchise.

If Hodgson does well in the next few years, then possibly there will be no mini rebuild and MG can find a couple of high scoring wingers to replace the twins loss of production. Then we can still be contenders in 3-5 years....lol lots of IF's in there though, and anything can happen in that time, but for now with the Twins and everyone else signed, we are contenders for at least three more seasons pretty much, after that..who knows.

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Edler is a UFA in 2013, same with Burrows.
Edler is a RFA in 2013.

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08-06-2011, 02:19 PM
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Edler is a RFA in 2013.
a UFA July 1st, 2013, I highly doubt MG lets that happen though.

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Edler is a RFA in 2013.
Nope in 2013 he will have played 8 years in the NHL/AHL hence making him a UFA.

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Nope in 2013 he will have played 8 years in the NHL/AHL hence making him a UFA.
Well that sucks!

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Kulemin will be costing you Edler.




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Well that sucks!
Meh as Kagee said I doubt MG let's that happen.

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Wrong. Everyone knows that Vancouver shouldn't trade someone of value to get the missing piece to their puzzle - they're entitled to it.
I just wish more fans like you could understand this.

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Kulemin is better than Burrows and Subban has the same ceiling as Edler.
Didn't people say JBo had amazing potential? Has he achieved that potential? I rather have someone who's proven than someone who has "potential"

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Okposo would be very nice but isn't he injured a lot?
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Didn't people say JBo had amazing potential? Has he achieved that potential? I rather have someone who's proven than someone who has "potential"
Can you define potential and proven? What does it take to be proven?

Is Schneider Proven or potential?

You know that that statistically a player reach in average is peak around 25-26yo

Jay-Bo, is probably an example of a guy who bring the average down.

Jay-bo did in fact realize his potential, he had amazing years in Florida.
At 27yo, he already have 635gp. its more game than some players in their entire career, not sure if burrows will have as many games played at the end of his career.

The only problem is, he started regressing earlier than the average players. But at his peak, he did realize his potential.

Would you like a proven Kostytsin for Hogson, rodin and a 1st ?


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Sound nice what about a 3 ways trade ?

To Van: Subban (22yo, 875 000$) and Kumelin (25yo, 2 350 000$)

To Tor: Edler (3 250 000$) (or Tanev, as it would need an huge overpayment for him)
To MON: Burrows (2 000 000$)


Van get the youngest player with the most potential, The statistically best players, and save 2 000 000$ on the caps hit. Also Kumelin and Subban never been injured yet.

If they could do it, Should Vancouver accept this?
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Wrong. Everyone knows that Vancouver shouldn't trade someone of value to get the missing piece to their puzzle - they're entitled to it.
I just wish more fans like you could understand this.

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Edler Burrows > Kulemin Subba
I'll take Kulemin and Subban over Edler and Burrows four times out of five.

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I'll take Kulemin and Subban over Edler and Burrows four times out of five.
I'm sure you would, I'd take Burrows over Kulemin and as of right now Edler over Subban, but I think Subban will be better in a couple of years.

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I'm sure you would, I'd take Burrows over Kulemin and as of right now Edler over Subban, but I think Subban will be better in a couple of years.
Of course you would.

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