I think the issue with Keith and Seabrook is that the team will even more be tempted to split them up. When together, they're generally great, but the depth defence really doesn't compare. When split, they're just not the same. Either choice and the offense takes a hit without Campbell to capably fill in additional time.
Left a few out there, bud. Bolland, Smith, Kruger, Bickell, Brunette, Morin...
Detroit sucks btw.
Now you are just being a troll and starting crap for no reason
ill take detroits depth anyday over Carcillo, Myers, Olesz, Bolland, Smith, Kruger, Bickell, LOL Brunette and Morin any day of the week, and majority of hockey fans outside of being a hawks fan would agree...have a good day bud, and way to show us your inept differences when judging talent
o and if the wings suck so much, why were you so interested in the thread " wings and sharks" and also said the comments " going to be a dandy, " in reference to the Wings/Sharks meeting again in the playoffs...for a guy who thinks Detroit sucks so much, a lot of attention gets paid to our club....hmmmmmm
Now you are just being a troll and starting crap for no reason
ill take detroits depth anyday over Carcillo, Myers, Olesz, Bolland, Smith, Kruger, Bickell, LOL Brunette and Morin any day of the week, and majority of hockey fans outside of being a hawks fan would agree...have a good day bud, and way to show us your inept differences when judging talent
ok, well you're perfectly entitled to an incorrect and misinformed opinion. and lighten up. the detroit sucks thing is just our way of saying hello to wangs fans. all in good fun.
please do...but outside of hossa, towes, kane and sharp, the hawks arent very good on paper..that doesnt mean they wont score goals, but their offense outside those 4 players, is nothing to write home about..
I can say the same thing for the red wings, so ya, my allegiances are w the red wings, but im saying the same thing for them. Outside of Datsyuk, Z, and Frazen , their offense isnt anything special....
The wings along w other teams in the west have better depth forwards than chicago, and thats very clear....thats why the wings wont have a problem advancing into the playoffs...
hawk fans really excited about Dan Carcillo, Frolik, Olesz, mayers as good depth etc? eeek
No one's doing cartwheels over Mayers. He'll be an alright fourth line guy but many are hoping Kruger can impress in camp and maybe be a fourth line guy after being solid if not spectacular in last year's playoffs.
Carcillo's going to help with the fourth line a lot and has put up more points per season than almost any guy who played on the fourth line in the Cup-winning season in addition to giving the team some much needed toughness that was lacking last season.
Olesz is a question mark. No one's "excited" about him, they're more in wait and see mode to see how he fits.
If you watched any of the Vancouver series you'd know why people like Frolik...he had a really good series and his line with Bolland and Bickell...two other "depth" forwards, clicked really well until Bickell had to leave with injury.
There are question marks but their depth is a lot better than most people give them credit for, but then this is what happens with every team because no one on here knows anyone else's team better than their own fan base does. It's why I generally avoid these debates because I don't know enough about most other teams' third and fourth line types, let alone their prospects and rookies, to really assess how good or not good their depth and overall quality will be.
And you laugh at Brunette, but his nose for the net and finding the open spaces with guys like Toews, Kane, Sharp, etc he could be a great fit. They're not expecting him to be a wheel and deal speedster. People laughed at Detroit picking up Bertuzzi a couple years back and that seemed to work out pretty well for them. It's all about filling roles. But laugh away, laughing always adds credibility to what would be otherwise good and intelligent hockey talk.
No one's doing cartwheels over Mayers. He'll be an alright fourth line guy but many are hoping Kruger can impress in camp and maybe be a fourth line guy after being solid if not spectacular in last year's playoffs.
Carcillo's going to help with the fourth line a lot and has put up more points per season than almost any guy who played on the fourth line in the Cup-winning season in addition to giving the team some much needed toughness that was lacking last season.
Olesz is a question mark. No one's "excited" about him, they're more in wait and see mode to see how he fits.
If you watched any of the Vancouver series you'd know why people like Frolik...he had a really good series and his line with Bolland and Bickell...two other "depth" forwards, clicked really well until Bickell had to leave with injury.
There are question marks but their depth is a lot better than most people give them credit for, but then this is what happens with every team because no one on here knows anyone else's team better than their own fan base does. It's why I generally avoid these debates because I don't know enough about most other teams' third and fourth line types, let alone their prospects and rookies, to really assess how good or not good their depth and overall quality will be.
Im very very curious to see their depth this year...by no means do i like the hawks, but i do respect them considering their top 4...
now the bigger question...how do you feel about your D this year?
Now you are just being a troll and starting crap for no reason
ill take detroits depth anyday over Carcillo, Myers, Olesz, Bolland, Smith, Kruger, Bickell, LOL Brunette and Morin any day of the week, and majority of hockey fans outside of being a hawks fan would agree...have a good day bud, and way to show us your inept differences when judging talent
o and if the wings suck so much, why were you so interested in the thread " wings and sharks" and also said the comments " going to be a dandy, " in reference to the Wings/Sharks meeting again in the playoffs...for a guy who thinks Detroit sucks so much, a lot of attention gets paid to our club....hmmmmmm
And if it goes the opposite of what you say and the Hawks have the best offense in the league and win the Cup. Then what, the ole, cap circumvention, they cheated argument. Save it.
Im very very curious to see their depth this year...by no means do i like the hawks, but i do respect them considering their top 4...
now the bigger question...how do you feel about your D this year?
Keith sucked last year and Boynton/Cullimore was among the worst Hawks 3rd pairings I've ever seen (Been following this team die hard since 96), so the D is better than last year.
Im very very curious to see their depth this year...by no means do i like the hawks, but i do respect them considering their top 4...
now the bigger question...how do you feel about your D this year?
Much better than last year, though Campbell will be missed, at least at first. Most hinges on how much of a step forward Leddy takes. If he takes the step they're expecting, this D will be as solid if not more so than 09-10, but if he falters at all they're going to be in trouble I think. They're still much better than last year's D core, but that's not necessarily saying much. A lot falls on Crawford as well.
And if it goes the opposite of what you say and the Hawks have the best offense in the league and win the Cup. Then what, the ole, cap circumvention, they cheated argument. Save it.
Not exactly, but I like your attempt to be funny to your fellow board members!! way to go
o and if the wings suck so much, why were you so interested in the thread " wings and sharks" and also said the comments " going to be a dandy, " in reference to the Wings/Sharks meeting again in the playoffs...for a guy who thinks Detroit sucks so much, a lot of attention gets paid to our club....hmmmmmm
if you're going to investigate my post history and subsequently call me out on it, ya might want to do it more thoroughly (see: click it). i was referring to someone predicting the nucks > wings and hawks > sharks, setting up a WCF showdown between Van and Chi)..
please do...but outside of hossa, towes, kane and sharp, the hawks arent very good on paper..that doesnt mean they wont score goals, but their offense outside those 4 players, is nothing to write home about..
I can say the same thing for the red wings, so ya, my allegiances are w the red wings, but im saying the same thing for them. Outside of Datsyuk, Z, and Frazen , their offense isnt anything special....
The wings along w other teams in the west have better depth forwards than chicago, and thats very clear....thats why the wings wont have a problem advancing into the playoffs...
hawk fans really excited about Dan Carcillo, Frolik, Olesz, mayers as good depth etc? eeek
What? I don't even..
Outside of Toews, Kane, Sharp and Hossa the Hawks have Brunette, Frolik, Bickell, Bolland and promising prospects Morin, Kruger and Smith... The Hawks have alot of scoring depth.
Why even mention Carcillo, Olesz and Mayers? Olesz has an outside chance of discovering himself in Chicago and becoming productive, but no one's counting on that and Carcillo and Mayers are 4th liners.
I'll put that bottom 6 against any team in the league and be not only confident they'll match the other team's bottom 6 production, but for the most part their physicallity aswell.
Why even argue? The Hawks will prove everyone wrong like in 09-10. Oh, the Sharks, the Flyers, look at Giroux, he's a superstar, Caps going all the way. Same crap, different year.
Why are Hawks fans always so desperate for validation?
As a Hawks fan I cringe when I see another validation seeking thread started by one of my fellow Hawks fans. I've even started a couple myself. It's like we're a moth drawn to the flame, which more times than not is how the thread turns out - in flames (although this one is pretty tame for HF).
It's a good question. Probably stems from our "second city" status that seems to bear out with our sports teams. Even when a Chicago team wins (which is rare) it is a one timer with the team quickly falling back to our station of also-rans. The Hawks might turn out to be the exception and Hawks fans are caught between hopeful expectations and waiting for the other shoe to drop.
I thought that after winning in 2010, the desparation would be replaced with confidence and to some extent it was, but until this team proves they weren't just a one hit wonder and validates it on the ice, I suppose many of my Hawks fan brethren will be looking for validation off he ice.
I think the issue with Keith and Seabrook is that the team will even more be tempted to split them up. When together, they're generally great, but the depth defence really doesn't compare. When split, they're just not the same. Either choice and the offense takes a hit without Campbell to capably fill in additional time.
Offense will be 5-10, likely 7 or 8.
Actually they were split up for the majority of the time last year, and Seabrook played some of his best hockey. Keith showed up out of shape and never recovered.
Our offense from the back end isn't really in any worse of a position than it was last year at this time.
Out are:
Campbell
Hendry
Cullimore
Boynton
In are:
Montador
Lepisto
Leddy
O'Donnell
That is actually more production than we had last year at this time.
This is a team that finished 4th in scoring last year, being top 5 is a no brainer for this club.
sharp-hossa tore it up early on last season. If kept together throughout a season I could see Hossa having a rebound year. Guy still has what it takes to be a ppg player.
ok, well you're perfectly entitled to an incorrect and misinformed opinion. and lighten up. the detroit sucks thing is just our way of saying hello to wangs fans. all in good fun.
No actually the "detroit sucks" thing is your way of saying how jealous you and your entire fanbase is over the success of another team. Its sad really.
Goal scoring is sexy which is great, but goal differential is the better determinant of success. Without looking up stats, I'm pretty sure the Hawks were in the top-10 in goal differential and would think they'll be in the top-10 again next season.
No actually the "detroit sucks" thing is your way of saying how jealous you and your entire fanbase is over the success of another team. Its sad really.
whaaaat? jealous? of you guys? haha.. hardly.
it's just a simple, fun chant that's all part of the Red Wings/Hawks show. it really doesn't go much below surface level.
No actually the "detroit sucks" thing is your way of saying how jealous you and your entire fanbase is over the success of another team. Its sad really.
That would be valid had the Hawks not been the more successful franchise recently.
Fans continue to say it because it is a tradition.
sharp-hossa tore it up early on last season. If kept together throughout a season I could see Hossa having a rebound year. Guy still has what it takes to be a ppg player.
Too bad he can't manage to stay healthy for a full season. And to think we dumped Havlat for him because of health concerns.
Keith slept through last season. Had a down year. Him and Seabs should be 50+ pt defensemen this year.
He really did sleep through last season and most of the first round. I expect him to be much better next season.
I still think Keith was the biggest reason (much more than the return of Bolland) for an almost epic comeback against the Canucks. He was beastly in the last few games of that series.
