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08-07-2011, 07:33 PM
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Pittsburgh - Dallas

Pens get : Loui Eriksson

Stars get : Jordan Staal, Simon Despres, Eric Tangradi, 1st 2012


...actually it's more about the value of this deal.. I know that some of Pens fans will say it's hard to give two best prospects in our organization, but LE is definitely the best player in this deal and you have to give to get!

Dallas fans, would that be HYPOTHETICALLY enough???


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08-07-2011, 07:35 PM
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The first is overpayment. Make it a 2nd.

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08-07-2011, 07:50 PM
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Isn't Dallas running Benn/Ribeiro as their top 2 centers?

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08-07-2011, 07:52 PM
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Isn't Dallas running Benn/Ribeiro as their top 2 centers?
Yes.

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08-07-2011, 07:58 PM
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That seems like a lot for Eriksson as good as he is.

Also, i'm assuming if they got Staal they'd move Benn back to wing.

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08-07-2011, 07:59 PM
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Isn't Dallas running Benn/Ribeiro as their top 2 centers?
I think they will be running better with Benn/Staal as their top 2 centers for years to come .. or even Benn/Staal/Ribeiro as their top 3 centers

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08-07-2011, 08:02 PM
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Benn would probably go back on the wing !!

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08-07-2011, 08:03 PM
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I think they will be running better with Benn/Staal as their top 2 centers for years to come .. or even Benn/Staal/Ribeiro as their top 3 centers
Ribeiro is one of the best 2C's in the league imo. He may not be able to pick up the slack with Richards leaving but Benn is capable of forming a 2a/2b type setup.

Dallas should be building around Eriksson and Benn as they are the future.

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08-07-2011, 08:06 PM
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I'd say its pretty good value wise, but I wouldn't do it from the Stars side. They are a cash strapped team and LE's contract might be the be the best bang for buck in the league (and he's under contract for 5 more years). Fair value? Yes. Would it make more sense for a team that didn't have an internal budget? Probably, but not so much for the Stars.

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08-07-2011, 08:08 PM
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That's alot of players to lose from a Pens perspective but I'd do it. Could we change Despres to Jeffrey or Morrow?

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08-07-2011, 08:15 PM
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Ribeiro is one of the best 2C's in the league imo. He may not be able to pick up the slack with Richards leaving but Benn is capable of forming a 2a/2b type setup.

Dallas should be building around Eriksson and Benn as they are the future.
OK, but I asked something else .. You won't make this deal if it's hypothetically on the table??? Both, Sid and Geno, would have amazing wingers (Eriksson, Neal), especially EL can kill the penalties, is young, with 4.25M cap hit for the next 5 seasons..he had 27goals and 73 points with Richards, so IMO he could hit 30-35 goals and 80 points with Sid or Geno..

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08-07-2011, 08:18 PM
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I think we're giving a little much but it's definitely in the ball park at the very least. There are some repercussions outside of the assets being traded though. Our farm system is a complete wild card if this trade is made. Again, not saying it isn't more or less fair.

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08-07-2011, 08:19 PM
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If anything, it's an over-payment.
But, the Stars would be fairly weak at RW, with only Ryder, who has been described by most Boston fans as "streaky", 2 enforcer types in Godard and Burish, and whatever Dvorak is.
I don't think they would do this trade until they gained more depth, or got a big name replacement at RW.

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08-07-2011, 08:20 PM
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Trade proposals need to be based around organizational needs. Dallas isn't going to part with Eriksson to get Staal. It's quantity for quality at this point. And this is someone who thinks Staal is close to a breakout season. But again, can't be used with respect to value in a trade. Benn, Ribeiro, Ott is quite enough Center depth imo.

Now if Malkin were on the table then I think Dallas would be willing to give quite a bit to get a proper 1C.

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08-07-2011, 08:21 PM
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Pittsburgh overpays, but I do not even have to get that far.

Neither side does this. Pittsburgh is giving up too much, and Shero likes to build for multiple year runs, not a run of a year or two. Pretty much gutting their system, as well as giving up Staal and an almost ready NHL player who seems like a future star in Despres, plus Tangradi and a first? I do not see it happening.

Dallas, after trading Neal, would not trade a guy that they are counting on so much where three of the four pieces are prospects, even though I think that they win this deal.

Just a trade that makes sense for neither side.

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08-07-2011, 08:22 PM
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Yes.
Well if the Stars got Staal, it would allow them to move Benn back to wing, don't most Stars fans like Benn as a winger than a center?

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08-07-2011, 08:29 PM
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Well if the Stars got Staal, it would allow them to move Benn back to wing, don't most Stars fans like Benn as a winger than a center?
Sure, fans love Benn at wing, but fans don't run this team. Dallas management and coaching has groomed Benn as a center since he broke into the league. At this point, GMJN probably envisions Benn to become this team's #1C in the future.

Btw, Eriksson plays LW and RW. When Glennie or Vincour are NHL ready, I can see LE moving back to LW. But, for the last 3 seasons EL has played RW.

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08-07-2011, 08:33 PM
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Eriksson is interesting, but I don't like it. I think personally I'd rather have the Center depth and future players than him... Just my opinion though.


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08-07-2011, 08:39 PM
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That deal doesn't address any needs that the Stars have, but the value is more than enough for Loui.

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08-07-2011, 09:01 PM
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^Agreed. Decent proposal, but not what the Stars need right now.

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I don't think either team does this.

Regardless of value it doesn't address Dallas' needs. It's like when people make trade proposals with the Pens involved and the key player coming back is a defenseman.

For Pittsburgh, that's an awful lot of future to sell off for one player.

I do think it would take a pretty ridiculous deal to get Eriksson out of Dallas though, they have no reason to move him otherwise.

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08-07-2011, 09:48 PM
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^Agreed. Decent proposal, but not what the Stars need right now.
Same for the Pens- better to keep the depth. Eriksson+Crosby would be insane, but Pittsburgh's best rolling out the Crosby/Malkin/Staal units back-to-back-to-back...Tough to match that, and giving up the Pens unique advantage by trading Staal plus gutting the young talent isn't advantageous.

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It's a bit of an overpay for Pittsburgh IMO, but I'd pull the trigger.

Getting a skilled, cost-controlled winger like Eriksson for Crosby is just too good too pass up.

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08-07-2011, 10:22 PM
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Dallas should do it. Small downgrade in a year where they're not contenders anyway with all but certain chance of very significant upgrade in the near future. Deals like these when they work out usually set the teams getting high end quantity very well up for the long run.

And Kunitz-Crosby-Eriksson would have absolutely ridiculous chemistry while leaving Neal-Malkin-Jeffrey as the best 2nd line in the league with Cooke and Kennedy capable of leading an elite shutdown line with someone like Pahlsson centering them. This pretty much sets up Pittsburgh as an unbeatable dynasty on paper for the next 5 years or so.

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08-07-2011, 10:38 PM
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Dallas should do it. Small downgrade in a year where they're not contenders anyway with all but certain chance of very significant upgrade in the near future. Deals like these when they work out usually set the teams getting high end quantity very well up for the long run.

And Kunitz-Crosby-Eriksson would have absolutely ridiculous chemistry while leaving Neal-Malkin-Jeffrey as the best 2nd line in the league with Cooke and Kennedy capable of leading an elite shutdown line with someone like Pahlsson centering them. This pretty much sets up Pittsburgh as an unbeatable dynasty on paper for the next 5 years or so.
Um.....what?

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