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Okami the only fighter to win a fight while being knocked out

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Okami the only fighter to win a fight while being knocked out
Matt Hamill?

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Didn't Matt Hughes knock himself out as well once? Or was it choked out? Maynard I think too.

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Matt Hamill?
was he knocked out though? can't remember or was it just illegal shots

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Didn't Matt Hughes knock himself out as well once? Or was it choked out? Maynard I think too.
Maynard got a draw, not a win.

But yeah, there are other examples anyway.

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I'm a pretty big Okami supporter and I know he only has about a 10-15% chance of winning this fight (which is probably very generous). That being said, why do so many think he has no chance? He is the exact same type of fighter as Chael who also "had no chance".

His boxing is very good, he's a very big MW, he's got a pretty solid chin and he has been working with Sonnen almost non-stop for this fight. Anderson will win this fight but I think it will be a lot closer than most believe.

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Didn't Matt Hughes knock himself out as well once? Or was it choked out? Maynard I think too.
Yes, at UFC 34 Carlos Newton had Hughes in a tight triangle choke while Hughes was standing and had Newton pressed against the cage. Hughes went out from the choke and in the process he slammed Newton into the mat, knocking Newton out and waking himself up. The ref didn't see Hughes black out and awarded Hughes a KO victory (slam).

Controversial win at the time and a few years later I remember watching a video on Youtube where Hughes admits that he "was out" to his corner during the post-match celebration. Hughes won the re-match with no controversy at UFC 38.

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Yes, at UFC 34 Carlos Newton had Hughes in a tight triangle choke while Hughes was standing and had Newton pressed against the cage. Hughes went out from the choke and in the process he slammed Newton into the mat, knocking Newton out and waking himself up. The ref didn't see Hughes black out and awarded Hughes a KO victory (slam).

Controversial win at the time and a few years later I remember watching a video on Youtube where Hughes admits that he "was out" to his corner during the post-match celebration. Hughes won the re-match with no controversy at UFC 38.
I always like to think that slam made Newton talk the way he talks.

I know he did it before, but I like to think that.

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Yushin Okami is the best fighter to come out of Japan. He didn't come up fighting cans, putting together a mythical record.
Agree or disagree?

I have a hard time putting him ahead of Sakuraba, I think you could definitely make a case for him at #2.

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I'm a pretty big Okami supporter and I know he only has about a 10-15% chance of winning this fight (which is probably very generous). That being said, why do so many think he has no chance? He is the exact same type of fighter as Chael who also "had no chance".

His boxing is very good, he's a very big MW, he's got a pretty solid chin and he has been working with Sonnen almost non-stop for this fight. Anderson will win this fight but I think it will be a lot closer than most believe.
10-15% is too high. I would say 5% at most.

I think Chael's wrestling is a lot better than Okami's. That was pretty obvious when Chael and Okami fought.

Okami's chances probably increase if Anderson hurts his ribs again. Then he might be able to take him down.

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Agree or disagree?

I have a hard time putting him ahead of Sakuraba, I think you could definitely make a case for him at #2.
I have Gomi above both Sakuraba & Okami

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I was always a fan of the fireball kid but he has a lot of cans' on his record and his performance over the last 4 years has been awful. I have a real hard time putting him ahead of Saku.

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I'd put Gomi over Okami tentatively, but if Gomi flutters out of the UFC (one or two more losses and he's probably gone) Okami will undoubtedly be above him. Alternatively, if Okami somehow beats Silva he immediately jumps to an undisputed #1. They have similar records in their respective "top flight" organization of Pride/UFC. They beat the easy guys/debutantes, perform well against the middle-of-the-road guys (Gomi: Azeredo x2, Ludwig, Ishida, Kawajiri... Okami: Belcher, MacDonald, Munoz, arguably a washed up Tanner), and took off some big-ish names (Gomi: Sakurai, Pulver... Okami: Marquardt, Swick).... And lost to good fighters (Gomi: Penn as a top flight guy, Diaz, Hansen... Okami: Franklin at a top flight guy, Sonnen as a notch below).

I think there's a good argument either way. Gomi was more "dominant" in his prime but Okami is still going successfully while Gomi tapered off and is on the cusp of irrelevance if he loses his next fight against a mid-tier UFC fighter, as much as that pains me to say.


Sakuraba is a tough case but he's just lost so many damn fights, despite being a legend.

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I'm a pretty big Okami supporter and I know he only has about a 10-15% chance of winning this fight (which is probably very generous). That being said, why do so many think he has no chance? He is the exact same type of fighter as Chael who also "had no chance"...
I think it's because while you can have two fighters with very similar styles, there can still be varying degrees in their skillsets. Chael is clearly the better wrestler, and while everyone always talks about how strong Yushin is, I think Chael is stronger. Maybe not in the weight room, but in terms of physically handling his opponent. The biggest difference between the two though is the key for me. Chael has the demeanor to beat Anderson. He took the fight to him for nearly 25 minutes. I don't see Yushin doing the same. He's not going to be as aggressive, he won't take Anderson down as easily, and ultimately I think he'll get caught with something (standing).

As I mentioned earlier in the thread, this fight is of virtually no interest to me. You look at Anderson's last four fights, they've all offered something that made you wanna watch. Forrest was at 205, Maia was arguably the best sub guy in the business, Chael arguably the best wrestler, and Vitor with the best hands at 185. I have nothing against Okami, but he's very blah to me.

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Does anybody out there think Okami can beat Anderson and I mean REALLY beat him?

Now I know when people see this they will say"well he already has beat Anderosn he beat him by DQ." thats the thing it was a DQ win. A DQ win proves NOTHING a DQ win to me isn't even a legit win because it doesn't prove you are better then the guy you are facing.


Go back and watch that fight up until Anderson gets DQed he is winning that fight no doubt about it.


People Talk about Okami's win over Anderson like he was clearly winning that fight but he wasn't he got 1 take down then he got kicked in the face and knocked out everything up to the point of that take down points to Anderson winning.


To me Okami has yet to truly beat Anderson A DQ win is not enough for me to see him as a threat ESPICALLY since when their 1st fight was over Anderson was standing Okami was seeing stars.

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I just want to see all these "people" that are pointing to the DQ in their last bout as being indicative of anything? It's not like there is an upswell of "Okami is gonna beat Anderson's ass AGAIN!" anywhere to be found. It's a non-issue based on an invalid premise.

Could Okami beat Anderson? Absolutely. Does the DQ have anything to do with anything? Nope.

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I just want to see all these "people" that are pointing to the DQ in their last bout as being indicative of anything? It's not like there is an upswell of "Okami is gonna beat Anderson's ass AGAIN!" anywhere to be found. It's a non-issue based on an invalid premise.

Could Okami beat Anderson? Absolutely. Does the DQ have anything to do with anything? Nope.
Exactly. The OP is trying to fabricate a premise that isn't there, and bringing even more attention to it by distancing it from the main thread already discussing the fight topic. I don't really get the need to push this nonsense, so I've got nothing more to add.

Edit: I see they just got merged, good.

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Where exactly are the "Okami beat him the first time" comments? I dont' think there has been a single poster in this forum that has said anything to that extent.

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not in this forum I was talkking in general

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not in this forum I was talkking in general
People in general are dumb. Don't worry about what they say, or you run the risk of being lumped in with them.

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