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09-15-2011, 03:36 PM
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FWIW - seems to say stuff while saying nothing - but the board just released this statement.

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COMMISSIONERS SUPPORT PUBLIC-PRIVATE SOLUTION FOR THE ARENA DISTRICT

Statement from the Board of Commissioners


Franklin County has withstood the national recession better than most communities because we have maintained a focus on economic development and jobs. Separate reports show that the Arena District directly impacts ten-thousand jobs and is an economic development engine for the entire region.

The public-private solution brought forward yesterday is the result of nearly two years of due diligence and assures the future of the Arena Districts economic impact for decades to come.

We remain committed to protecting County revenues by investing in economic development and job creation and retention efforts.

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FWIW - seems to say stuff while saying nothing - but the board just released this statement.
I don't know DSL, I think it says a lot. My take on it is that they feel very strongly that the Arena District is important, there are 10K jobs there, this is something that had a lot of thought put into it over 2 years, and they support the proposal. I took it as a very positive comment.

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This article in The Cannon gives names and numbers of the various officials involved in this vote. I plan to fax and call.
http://www.jacketscannon.com/2011/9/...rapnel-9-15-11

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FWIW - seems to say stuff while saying nothing - but the board just released this statement.
Isn't that the same board that's voting on this? I'd say it's a great thing.

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Which one of you guys is Roddy Marciano? Capn?
I don't think anyone here has the kind of persistent self-loathing evidenced by that guy.

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It was reported by my buddy Lori Schmidt today that the CBJ-OSU management agreement would continue for another 15 years.
And me on page 5

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I don't think anyone here has the kind of persistent self-loathing evidenced by that guy.
Speaking of persistent, thank you for your posts supporting the proposal on the Dispatch web site

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How can anyone read the dispatch comments without their head exploding!?

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How can anyone read the dispatch comments without their head exploding!?
Unfortunately, my head DID explode, and so did my keyboard.

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How can anyone read the dispatch comments without their head exploding!?
Sure- it's pretty easy to read the comments and discern which posters are uninformed, just spouting off and putting their ignorance on display from the posters who have taken the time to review the issues and developed an informed opinion.

While I support this transaction, I have no problem with someone who dissents and can support their position with reason and facts.

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How can anyone read the dispatch comments without their head exploding!?
By remembering three things:
1) they're an extreme minority,
2) they don't actually get a say one way or the other anyways, and
3) responding to them is like shooting fish in a barrel, which can make for a fun diversion.

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Sure- it's pretty easy to read the comments and discern which posters are uninformed, just spouting off and putting their ignorance on display from the posters who have taken the time to review the issues and developed an informed opinion.

While I support this transaction, I have no problem with someone who dissents and can support their position with reason and facts.
This too. It's just that there's been precious few of those there.

Then there's just legit disagreements. For example, while I understand folks not wanting public funds to go to sports teams, I just happen to disagree that we're where "we should all take a stand against this" or something. I'd rather follow the trend rather than try to start it.

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Sure- it's pretty easy to read the comments and discern which posters are uninformed, just spouting off and putting their ignorance on display from the posters who have taken the time to review the issues and developed an informed opinion.

While I support this transaction, I have no problem with someone who dissents and can support their position with reason and facts.
And yet in local elections that could directly impact the CBJ or Nationwide Arena, their votes count for more than mine (since I live in Delaware County).

I think it was Mark Twain who once said that the best case against democracy is five minutes with the average voter, and it's certainly no stretch to claim that the average voter today is substantially less informed than back in his day.

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Arena deal is on the agenda, but no vote yet

http://www.dispatch.com/content/blog...he-agenda.html

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10-03-2011, 09:09 AM
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http://www.dispatch.com/content/stor...d-tonight.html

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The Columbus City Council votes tonight on its part of a plan to use casino tax revenue to buy and operate Nationwide Arena.

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Time to wear out the refresh button..... :p

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10-03-2011, 10:16 AM
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What will be interesting is when they find out the reality of how much the casino will actually bring in. Just over heard one of my co workers talking that they were in the area and went to check out its progress, and its pretty much in a terrible part of town....so who's going to actually go out there to go gambling? Moving it from downtown will turn out to be a terrible idea IMO (at least with the area it was moved to). You wont be getting any Columbus downtown visitors to go there. Its going to end up like the Golden Coast casino in Vegas, where its the hardest of gamblers...certainly not going to be destination for a 'night out'

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so who's going to actually go out there to go gambling?
A ton of people. Install a slot machine as well as blackjack and poker tables, and you've got a place in which people of all walks of life will gather. Make the immediate area nice, hire some security, and you've got something people will drive through a bad spot to get to.

Having said that, while I haven't been in that area much for about 7 years, I don't remember that area being among the top 10 worst spots in Columbus.

I'll have to look at the exact spot, but assuming they haven't moved it far from what I remember being the proposed site, there are still a few places in that general area I go to from time to time.

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Having said that, while I haven't been in that area for about 7 years, I don't remember that area being among the top 10 worst spots in Columbus.
Agreed. The spot is out on W Broad and 270, right? There's a ton of stores out there, lots of shopping and well-lit streets and parking lots. It's not bad like the old Cooper Stadium area was bad. Plus, it's easily accessible to the highway, so driving through possibly rough neighborhoods is eliminated.

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A ton of people. Install a slot machine as well as blackjack and poker tables, and you've got a place in which people of all walks of life will gather. Make the immediate area nice, hire some security, and you've got something people will drive through a bad spot to get to.

Having said that, while I haven't been in that area for about 7 years, I don't remember that area being among the top 10 worst spots in Columbus.
Not sure if it is top ten but it has become close over the past few years.

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Agreed. The spot is out on W Broad and 270, right? There's a ton of stores out there, lots of shopping and well-lit streets and parking lots. It's not bad like the old Cooper Stadium area was bad. Plus, it's easily accessible to the highway, so driving through possibly rough neighborhoods is eliminated.
Its not somewhere I would shop after dark.

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Not sure if it is top ten but it has become close over the past few years.



Its not somewhere I would shop after dark.
For some of you not here for a long while there was a time where that area of broad street was a destination shopping and dining area. When the plants started closing that area went belly up. With the Casino going in there is already a large group making investments to revamp that area. And for those of you saying it will never happen you probably do not remember the arena district before the CBJ.

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My thoughts on what should have been done, is you make it a resort, much like say Foxwood's out in NE. You put it somewhere out off of 70, maybe in between Datyon and Columbus....put a golf course out there, amphitheater and you turn it into a resort.....not just a plain casino in a city. Now out on the west side, its going to be a trip to go gambling...not a night out on the town and stop in the casino because its by what you were planning on doing, example, Bluejackets game, concert, Clippers game, convention, etc. When it was planned to be downtown, I had figured to stop in after games and play a little....i have zero plans on traveling out to West Broadstreet to throw money away. Sure there will be people who will, but I think it wont get nearly as much traffic as it would have been if it was going to be downtown.

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Not sure if it is top ten but it has become close over the past few years.

Its not somewhere I would shop after dark.
Maybe not right now. But it will become nice, for sure. It will get an arena-district-level resurgence. Plus, like I said, you'll pull off the highway and into the casino lot (which will certainly have security). Casino's aren't exactly noted for their willingness to let people leave the premises.

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My thoughts on what should have been done, is you make it a resort, much like say Foxwood's out in NE. You put it somewhere out off of 70, maybe in between Datyon and Columbus....put a golf course out there, amphitheater and you turn it into a resort.....not just a plain casino in a city. Now out on the west side, its going to be a trip to go gambling...not a night out on the town and stop in the casino because its by what you were planning on doing, example, Bluejackets game, concert, Clippers game, convention, etc. When it was planned to be downtown, I had figured to stop in after games and play a little....i have zero plans on traveling out to West Broadstreet to throw money away. Sure there will be people who will, but I think it wont get nearly as much traffic as it would have been if it was going to be downtown.
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