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09-01-2011, 10:38 PM
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Great pitch, great win, got 2 of 3 and Burnett pitched decent in Boston, wow.

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09-01-2011, 10:46 PM
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Got a little somethin somethin from everybody. A real team effort

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09-01-2011, 10:54 PM
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aj pitched good.

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They are the classic team with a disadvantage. Oakland has a great fanbase, but piss poor revenue. Moneyball is basically the idea that they used a different way of evaluating players than other teams. Baseball was still in the 'standard stat' era, teams were not taking advantage of sabremetrical stats like the A's did.
What does fanbase have to do with it?

And how did the A's "take advantage" of Sabremetrics, when the main reason why they were winning was (drumroll) they drafted the best young trio of pitchers in baseball.

The A's tried to revolutionize how a team was built, yet they have been complete trash since the trio of arms left and the book was published.

The A's are no different that the 2007 Rays, the 2007 Rockies and the Twins.

Moneyball is basically a joke. It's like Rich Kotite writing a book about what it takes to be a winner in the NFL.

All the Sabrestats in the world won't make a lick of difference when you have to face Roy Halladay and Cliff Lee 4 times in a 7 game series

Anyway, I am going to assume you are still a teenager and weren't old enough to really comprehend what was going on in Oakland in the mid-1990's when Beane took over for Sandy Alderson.

Basically, Beane was told to focus on the draft because FA's werent the way to go. He was told to dump salary and build through the draft.

Novel idea, huh?

1992 -- Jason Giambi -- 58th overall pick
1996 -- Eric Chavez -- 10th overall pick
1997 -- Tim Hudson -- 185th overall pick
1998 -- Mark Mulder -- 2nd overall pick
1999 -- Barry Zito -- 9th overall pick

Beane should get credit for drafting well. That's about it.


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UNACCEPTABLE? ARE YOU JOKING? 2008 was a year filled with several key injuries, so they wouldn't have made the playoffs that year no matter who was manager. 2009 ENOUGH SAID. What's wrong with winning the wild card? THEY HAVE BEEN IN THE PLAYOFFS ALMOST EVERY YEAR FOR A LITTLE MORE THAN A DECADE. If that is not good enough for you, then you really have issues.
You realize the standard under Steinbrenner was World Championship or bust. Some of us Yankees fans who were around in the 1970's and this recent dynasty feel that the organization has the resources to not only make the playoffs, but win the division and win the pennant. While I'm happy with them being a 100-win team every year, not winning the pennant is unacceptable, especially if you win 100 games every year.

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09-01-2011, 11:13 PM
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Anybody know if something happened to Zack Wheeler? He only pitched two innings tonight before being taken out (no runs).

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09-01-2011, 11:47 PM
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Anybody know if something happened to Zack Wheeler? He only pitched two innings tonight before being taken out (no runs).

I've read it was just a playoff tune up. Nothing happened to him.

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09-02-2011, 12:37 AM
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I've read it was just a playoff tune up. Nothing happened to him.
Ah, that's good to know. Thanks.

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Last night's game was awful for neutral fanbases. The Red Sox and Yankees really demoralize baseball for me, most boring sequence of ball I've ever seen. Too many mound visits, factor in AJ pitching it's unbearable how long he takes to release his pitches. This is really what ticks me off for these 2 teams, not the payroll or devoted and insecure fanbases.

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09-02-2011, 07:19 AM
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Last night's game was awful for neutral fanbases. The Red Sox and Yankees really demoralize baseball for me, most boring sequence of ball I've ever seen. Too many mound visits, factor in AJ pitching it's unbearable how long he takes to release his pitches. This is really what ticks me off for these 2 teams, not the payroll or devoted and insecure fanbases.
I've been saying this for years. It's a nightmare for every fan of any team. The only people who dont mind the 4-hour marathons are the Pink hat girls who spend the entire games on their blackberries

MLB loves long games. The longer the games, the more ad revenue and facetime for the sport. The longer the games, the more sponsor plugs.

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09-02-2011, 07:49 AM
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I've been saying this for years. It's a nightmare for every fan of any team. The only people who dont mind the 4-hour marathons are the Pink hat girls who spend the entire games on their blackberries

MLB loves long games. The longer the games, the more ad revenue and facetime for the sport. The longer the games, the more sponsor plugs.
It gets borin... 4 and a half hour game... now, if there was a 4 and a half hour game at MSG....

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09-02-2011, 11:03 AM
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I am amazed that Burnett was actually decent last night. Very happy that we won 2 out of 3

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09-02-2011, 12:31 PM
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Here's an awesome read regarding Curtis Granderson's fielding and defensive metrics. I'd suggest anyone that's curious about either of those two topics to give it a read.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/yan...sily-evaluated

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09-02-2011, 02:31 PM
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Just found out I'm going to tonight's game. It'll be my 100th, so I could really use a win to celebrate the occasion

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09-02-2011, 02:51 PM
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Here's an awesome read regarding Curtis Granderson's fielding and defensive metrics. I'd suggest anyone that's curious about either of those two topics to give it a read.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/yan...sily-evaluated
Being one of the worst CF in baseball is kinda like being No. 500 of the Fortune 500 list. You have to have competence to play the position, and it's obvious that Granderson does a good enough job defensively (in Girardi and Yankees fans eyes) to maintain the status quo.

I think Gardner and Swisher are excellent bookend outfielders, so from a certain point of view, it can hurt Granderson.

But ideally, make Gardner the CF (his natural position) and put Grandy in left and this isnt even being discussed.

And no, I dont think Granderson being an average to below-average CF will hurt his MVP chances. His massive slump is what's hurting him right now.


The irony of it all: A guy trying to discredit Granderson on the very night he single-handedly put his team in a position to be tied in the loss column on Sep. 1 -- with his defense

The ESPN announcers on Wednesday -- Dave O'brien (Red Sox radio PBP), Curt Schilling and Nomar Garciaparra
The ESPN blogger who started the analysis -- Boston native Steve Berthiaume
Author Mark Simon -- Lifelong Mets fans
Joe Pawlikowski of Fangraphs -- Lifelong Phillies fan


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09-02-2011, 03:09 PM
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Yeah while I agree Granderson hasn't been the greatest defensive player this year. He made an unbelievable catch last night to save the game. Odd timing.

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09-02-2011, 03:55 PM
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aj pitched good.
Earned himself a postseason spot on the rotation, imo.

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09-02-2011, 04:00 PM
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Yeah while I agree Granderson hasn't been the greatest defensive player this year. He made an unbelievable catch last night to save the game. Odd timing.
That's the key -- "This year"...It's obviously an abberation, because James' stats show Grandy was one of the top defensive CF'ers in the game in three of the previous 4 seasons.

While Granderson isnt Gold Glove caliber, the fact that he is bookended by two excellent (statistically) OF'ers who happen to play 81 games in a smaller park puts less responsibility on Grandy to cover ground.

I can deal with Yankee bashing. I'm so used to it by now, and i dont ever expect anybody to stop.

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09-02-2011, 06:18 PM
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Gardner is the best defensive outfielder in the game IMO. So much range.

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09-02-2011, 06:27 PM
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If Granderson isn't winning the center field GG, then who is?

I haven't watched every center fielder so I would like to know.

There just aren't that many really good CF.

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If Granderson isn't winning the center field GG, then who is?

I haven't watched every center fielder so I would like to know.

There just aren't that many really good CF.
Ellsbury is much better defensively.

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09-02-2011, 07:07 PM
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If Granderson isn't winning the center field GG, then who is?

I haven't watched every center fielder so I would like to know.

There just aren't that many really good CF.
Should be Ellsbury. He's by far the best out there. ****ing Red Sox.

Peter Bourjos is great in the outfield, too, but no one knows who he is and he plays for the Angels, so he'll be lucky to get more than a homer vote.

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09-02-2011, 07:12 PM
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Should be Ellsbury. He's by far the best out there. ****ing Red Sox.

Peter Bourjos is great in the outfield, too, but no one knows who he is and he plays for the Angels, so he'll be lucky to get more than a homer vote.
Bourjous is amazing, love this player. Have a huge man crush on him and Trout. It's unfortunate that they have Wells, Abreu and Hunter clogging up the team.

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09-02-2011, 07:29 PM
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Bourjous is amazing, love this player. Have a huge man crush on him and Trout. It's unfortunate that they have Wells, Abreu and Hunter clogging up the team.
Yeah he's a terrific little player. As he gains ML experience and refines his plate discipline, he's going to be a dangerous hitter as well.

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09-02-2011, 07:33 PM
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Speaking of man crush, Gardner is terrible underrated.

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09-02-2011, 07:38 PM
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Speaking of man crush, Gardner is terrible underrated.
He's one of the best defensive outfielders in the game. Even if Granderson was performing closer to he has in seasons past, the Yankees would still be a better club with Gardner in center. He probably makes them a couple wins better over the course of the year if he's in CF full time.

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