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10-10-2011, 11:42 PM
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Problem is, Saskatoon lost a LOT for getting Schenn.

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Kieran Millan is still with BU? Is he under contract?

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Kieran Millan is still with BU? Is he under contract?

Yes! Remember NCAA players get an extra year or two. This is his last year for ELC eligibility before we lose his rights and hope Avs give him a ELC, already better than Cann.

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10-11-2011, 01:58 AM
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They lost Schenn, Viedensky, Hamilton, Elliott, Zahn and Stanford. That's there 4 best forwards, top 2 defenders and their starting goalie.

Some major growing pains were expected, but haven't shown themselves.


Siemens has been good, not great.
Yeah I'm aware of who have they lost, I'm following them closely. I did expect some growing pains as well, but I disagreed because I didn't think they'll suck and by suck I mean that they'll have a sub 0.500% record.

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Landeskog is #13 on the HF Top 50 list.

A little surprised that Hishon and Elliott aren't on the list.

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10-11-2011, 04:13 PM
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Landeskog is #13 on the HF Top 50 list.

A little surprised that Hishon and Elliott aren't on the list.
Or Siemens for that matter. Whatever thats just hf

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10-11-2011, 04:43 PM
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HF is great except for their top 50 list-that's always beyond brutal.

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Landeskog is #13 on the HF Top 50 list.

A little surprised that Hishon and Elliott aren't on the list.
Hishon and Elliott should be on there somewhere, but I understand the reason why they're not. Our writer decided their rank in our organization is behind Landeskog and Siemens, and Siemens wasn't good enough to be on the list.

I'd really like to hear how they justify some of these picks, though. How does Couturier get in over Landeskog, Strome, and Scheifele? How does Brodin make honorable mention, Siemens not make it at all, but Klefbom and Jamie Oleksiak make it? And how does Erixon jump from unranked in April to 31 after being traded to the Rangers?

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There is no reason to get worked up over HF lists. Using web archive here are Colorado players in the top 50 from 2000 to 2010.

2000
49. David Aebischer

2001
20. Vaclav Nedorost

2002
18. Vaclav Nedorost

2003
None

2004
None

2005
None

2006
12. Wojtek Wolski

2007
46. T.J Hensick

2008
39. T.J Hensick

2009
7. Matt Duchene (Filatov 3rd. hear he's a scratch in Ottawa today)
27. Kevin Shattenkirk

2010
None

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I'd really like to hear how they justify some of these picks, though. How does Couturier get in over Landeskog, Strome, and Scheifele? How does Brodin make honorable mention, Siemens not make it at all, but Klefbom and Jamie Oleksiak make it? And how does Erixon jump from unranked in April to 31 after being traded to the Rangers?
Couturier is one of the most contentious prospects around--he lost a LOT of stock among the "experts," especially after his WJC performance (where Huberdeau's stock rose by the same margin) but a lot of his backers still argue he is the best all-around player taken in the draft. I think he'll turn out to be better than Huberdeau and Landeskog. Not saying Landeskog will be a bad player, in fact I think he'll be quite good, just not as good as Couturier. I don't mind the Avs not taking him--Lando is exactly the kind of player we need and I think in that regard, he will deliver in spades. Huberdeau and Couturier will take longer to develop, and frankly we needed a player who could play NOW.

Erixon was Calgary's best prospect, bar none. I know that might not mean much considering their prospect pool was ranked dead last by HF, but the Rangers basically stole him when he refused to sign in Calgary. From what I hear he's got a lot of upside, hence the corrected ranking. Can't tell you why he wasn't ranked before, but he should have been.

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Couturier is one of the most contentious prospects around--he lost a LOT of stock among the "experts," especially after his WJC performance (where Huberdeau's stock rose by the same margin) but a lot of his backers still argue he is the best all-around player taken in the draft. I think he'll turn out to be better than Huberdeau and Landeskog. Not saying Landeskog will be a bad player, in fact I think he'll be quite good, just not as good as Couturier. I don't mind the Avs not taking him--Lando is exactly the kind of player we need and I think in that regard, he will deliver in spades. Huberdeau and Couturier will take longer to develop, and frankly we needed a player who could play NOW.

Erixon was Calgary's best prospect, bar none. I know that might not mean much considering their prospect pool was ranked dead last by HF, but the Rangers basically stole him when he refused to sign in Calgary. From what I hear he's got a lot of upside, hence the corrected ranking. Can't tell you why he wasn't ranked before, but he should have been.
Well it's not even that, I would also like them to explain why they kicked off Hishon and Elliott who were on the list last year. I remember Elliott was around 35-50 and Hishon was around 15-30. Did 10-20 other prospects magically become more powerful to kick them off? And they shouldn't use injures to just get rid of Hishon if that is the case.

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10-12-2011, 01:06 AM
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Couturier is one of the most contentious prospects around--he lost a LOT of stock among the "experts," especially after his WJC performance (where Huberdeau's stock rose by the same margin) but a lot of his backers still argue he is the best all-around player taken in the draft. I think he'll turn out to be better than Huberdeau and Landeskog. Not saying Landeskog will be a bad player, in fact I think he'll be quite good, just not as good as Couturier. I don't mind the Avs not taking him--Lando is exactly the kind of player we need and I think in that regard, he will deliver in spades. Huberdeau and Couturier will take longer to develop, and frankly we needed a player who could play NOW.
It's more than that, though. I don't really care if Couturier is above Landeskog, or that Siemens isn't on the list. I legitimately want to know the criteria of the ranks are because there are a lot of inconsistencies. In some cases draft position clearly comes into play. In others it's past accomplishments. And in others it's upside. Then throw in the "policy" of going off prospect order in the team ranks and it's no wonder these lists are always questioned. I know it's not an exact science, but there definitely seems to be a moving target in some of these.

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Erixon was Calgary's best prospect, bar none. I know that might not mean much considering their prospect pool was ranked dead last by HF, but the Rangers basically stole him when he refused to sign in Calgary. From what I hear he's got a lot of upside, hence the corrected ranking. Can't tell you why he wasn't ranked before, but he should have been.
Right, but for whatever reason he wasn't ranked. Now, suddenly, he is. With the last list being released in April, what did he do between then and now to jump up 20ish spots? It's not a knock on the guy, I'm really asking (partly because this isn't the first time a Rangers prospect shot up the ranks in a "corrected" way). McDonagh (how is he still eligible for this list, he's a regular on their roster?) essentially did the same thing, jumping from 50 to 32.

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Media attention

Hishon got a concussion, off the list

Erixon was stolen by the Rangers, in

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Media attention

Hishon got a concussion, off the list

Erixon was stolen by the Rangers, in
Damn, someone killed Belgican again.

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which means ?

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which means ?
cuz you didn't finish your post?

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cuz you didn't finish your post?
But he did....

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Larsson ranked 2nd.
Huberdeau 10th.
Couturier 11th.
Landeskog 13th.

Avsboy is going to have a field day with this

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But he did....
I see

I did indeed finished my post

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duncan seimens 7pts in 7gp. +3 17 pim. this guy was a very good pick up.

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duncan seimens 7pts in 7gp. +3 17 pim. this guy was a very good pick up.
I like the fact that he's been able to shoot the puck more this year, but his play overall hasn't been that great. Still makes nice defensive plays, but continues to handle the puck like a grenade and tries to force pucks into places they shouldn't go.

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I like the fact that he's been able to shoot the puck more this year, but his play overall hasn't been that great. Still makes nice defensive plays, but continues to handle the puck like a grenade and tries to force pucks into places they shouldn't go.
That's all that matters to me. Sure the offense would be nice but all I really care about is him being a physical defensive defenseman.

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I like the fact that he's been able to shoot the puck more this year, but his play overall hasn't been that great. Still makes nice defensive plays, but continues to handle the puck like a grenade and tries to force pucks into places they shouldn't go.
You say he makes nice defensive plays, but that doesn't exactly give off a fond picture (for me). Do you think he will be a two-way defender, or an actual physical defensive defenseman? Is he showing any more growth as a player thus far besides shooting the puck? Does he use his size better? Is he gaining a nastier edge overall? What about his play on special teams?

Any information would help and is greatly appreciated. Honestly, I wasn't too happy with the draft selection but obviously I am hoping for the best as a fan.

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You say he makes nice defensive plays, but that doesn't exactly give off a fond picture (for me). Do you think he will be a two-way defender, or an actual physical defensive defenseman? Is he showing any more growth as a player thus far besides shooting the puck? Does he use his size better? Is he gaining a nastier edge overall? What about his play on special teams?

Any information would help and is greatly appreciated. Honestly, I wasn't too happy with the draft selection but obviously I am hoping for the best as a fan.
- I think he will be more of a defensive defenseman then a two way, but he's a fine passer and excellent skater so who knows.

- He's using his size better and clearly likes to show in the corners that he is bigger and stronger then the guy he goes up against.

- Still has the same nasty edge, and yes, it's probably gotten a bit nastier as he has gotten bigger and stronger.

- Special teams play is about the same.

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This is just getting creepy for Kent Patterson,

Last week, he has back to back 20 Save shutouts. This week back to back 46 of 50 nights, both wins.

What are the chances the shots would be the same?

G Kent Patterson (Minnesota) – 46 saves on 50 shots in win over Minnesota-Duluth on 10/14; 46 saves on 50 shots in win over Minnesota-Duluth on 10/15.

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