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08-09-2011, 02:15 PM
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There's not much point in the Leafs making a trade for Weber.
We would have to give up a lot of our future.
Not to mention, Phaneuf is our Weber (Yes, Weber is better, I know.)
But I just don't see what Burke could offer without destroying our future here.
This is exactly what i was thinking. I only made this post because every Leaf proposal (most of which rightfully so) not only gets shot down, but is considered laughable. I just wanted to gauge value from other fanbases. So far, the Parise and Boston offers look the best.

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08-09-2011, 02:20 PM
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This is exactly what i was thinking. I only made this post because every Leaf proposal (most of which rightfully so) not only gets shot down, but is considered laughable. I just wanted to gauge value from other fanbases. So far, the Parise and Boston offers look the best.
Yeah... But I don't want NJ or Boston to get Weber...

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08-09-2011, 02:27 PM
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From Columbus, seeing as though we're a division rival, we'd likely have to go with something like Rick Nash and Ryan Johansen.

Personally, I'd rather he stay down there and we go after Suter. But that's my own biases.


(Also, I swear to G-d Almighty if someone uses this post as an excuse to start up another Johansen trade thread or proposal I will SET THEM ON FIRE.)

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Point of clarification, please: how many years may I assume he will sign for? It affects what's given up greatly.

Is it just a minimum of 1, and he's at risk to be UFA, if I'm keeping track of this right? Or for purposes of this post you can assume he will make it worth your while and long term for 6 or 7 years min?
lets assume he signs from 5 to 7 years.

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08-09-2011, 02:48 PM
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Dan Girardi, Christian Thomas, 1st, 3rd if he's signing long term.

or maybe we just throw big UFA money at Suter and take him instead, I think that's the better idea. Rather keep our assets and take Suter for nothing as a UFA.

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08-09-2011, 02:51 PM
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08-09-2011, 02:57 PM
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I liked it much better when the Preds were under the radar.

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08-09-2011, 02:59 PM
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I liked it much better when the Preds were under the radar.
The Preds are still under the radar. They're not a contending team. That's why Weber, Suter, and Rinne will leave and join winning teams.

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08-09-2011, 03:02 PM
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Vlasic + Pavelski
No, it's Vlasic and Petrecki and 2012 first round pick. Take it or leave it.

San Jose - Weber, Burns, Boyle, Murray, Demers, White.

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The Preds are still under the radar. They're not a contending team. That's why Weber, Suter, and Rinne will leave and join winning teams.
At least Fisher got to see the 2nd round.

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08-09-2011, 03:06 PM
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At least Fisher got to see the 2nd round.
That's awesome. That's the furthest he will ever get with the Preds. And after next season when the Preds lose weber, suter, rinne then they won't even make the playoffs.

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There are really only 3 ways I could see teams getting Weber and I only see the first two being fair to both teams. I am just going to ballpark it and most deals are not even plausible I am just using guys as a comparison.

1. Weber for Star Forward - It would have to be a guy like a Parise or Bobby Ryan that has put up around a point per game for at least a few seasons and he would have to be fairly young.

2. Weber for Young Player with High Potential + High 1st/Equivalent - I am not talking about a 23 year old that has 2 50 point seasons, this young player would have to be like a Taylor Hall or Tyler Seguin someone who has star potential. For example, Giroux + Schenn. (Very few teams would fit this mold and there are probably none that would do this sort of deal)

3. Weber for 1st pairing Defenseman + 50 pt young foward + Top Prospect + 1st (Depending on How good the rest of the package is) - Nashville wants to win now, if its for a bunch of stuff thats a downgrade or not much of an improvement then a team better over pay. IE with Toronto it would be Schenn + Kulemin + Kadri.

Nashville is not looking at rebuilding and if they do take a package for rebuilding its going to be gaining good parts that can contribute or an overpayment.

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08-09-2011, 03:33 PM
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08-09-2011, 03:56 PM
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There are really only 3 ways I could see teams getting Weber and I only see the first two being fair to both teams. I am just going to ballpark it and most deals are not even plausible I am just using guys as a comparison.

1. Weber for Star Forward - It would have to be a guy like a Parise or Bobby Ryan that has put up around a point per game for at least a few seasons and he would have to be fairly young.

2. Weber for Young Player with High Potential + High 1st/Equivalent - I am not talking about a 23 year old that has 2 50 point seasons, this young player would have to be like a Taylor Hall or Tyler Seguin someone who has star potential. For example, Giroux + Schenn. (Very few teams would fit this mold and there are probably none that would do this sort of deal)

3. Weber for 1st pairing Defenseman + 50 pt young foward + Top Prospect + 1st (Depending on How good the rest of the package is) - Nashville wants to win now, if its for a bunch of stuff thats a downgrade or not much of an improvement then a team better over pay. IE with Toronto it would be Schenn + Kulemin + Kadri.
Nashville is not looking at rebuilding and if they do take a package for rebuilding its going to be gaining good parts that can contribute or an overpayment.
Fair enough, that is a price i'm not willing to pay, but i appreciate you putting a value out there.

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08-09-2011, 04:03 PM
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That's awesome. That's the furthest he will ever get with the Preds. And after next season when the Preds lose weber, suter, rinne then they won't even make the playoffs.
and the Sens will?

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08-09-2011, 04:12 PM
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lets assume he signs from 5 to 7 years.
Given this construct, a sign and trade where Rangers are guaranteed to have him from the get go say 6 years minimum on top of the one he has in arbitration, a total of 7, I'd offer:

C Stepan
D Girardi
F Boyle
W Zuccarello
W Wolski
W Christian Thomas
C Andrew Yogan
F Chad Kolarik
D Ilkka Heikkinen
F Ryan Bourque

plus two 1st rounders,
for

Weber
and rights to Radulov
and four 2nd rounders

Rationale:
snipers at premium; unless Gaborik is in the equation minimum of established ones Rangers can offer without gutting.
However,
Stepan is the talented bonafide talent at F needed to come back who is reasonably thought to improve a bit on his rookie 20 goals, depending upon the partners;
Boyle will contribute offense now
Thomas = upgrade over Del Zotto, high risk, high reward W
Girardi = full replacement as to defensive D
Heikkinen might also make the team and be a short term contributor
The others are question marks but they will compete

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08-09-2011, 04:16 PM
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Given this construct, a sign and trade where Rangers are guaranteed to have him from the get go say 6 years minimum on top of the one he has in arbitration, a total of 7, I'd offer:

C Stepan
D Girardi
F Boyle
W Zuccarello
W Wolski
W Christian Thomas
C Andrew Yogan
F Chad Kolarik
D Ilkka Heikkinen
F Ryan Bourque

plus two 1st rounders,
for

Weber
and rights to Radulov
and four 2nd rounders

Rationale:
snipers at premium; unless Gaborik is in the equation minimum of established ones Rangers can offer without gutting.
However,
Stepan is the talented bonafide talent at F needed to come back who is reasonably thought to improve a bit on his rookie 20 goals, depending upon the partners;
Boyle will contribute offense now
Thomas = upgrade over Del Zotto, high risk, high reward W
Girardi = full replacement as to defensive D
Heikkinen might also make the team and be a short term contributor
The others are question marks but they will compete

OH LORD, MAKE IT STOP.
Seriously, so happy to see stupid trade proposals from non-leafs fans.
This takes the cake.

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long post of doom
no sure if trolling or doesnt understand value....

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no sure if trolling or doesnt understand value....
Seriously that post was the funniest thing I've seen on HF so far.

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I think I speak for all Sens fans when I say don't listen to Sensfan226. Keep this as a Weber value thread rather then Ottawa vs Nashville thread.

As a Sens fan, I'd offer something along the lines of Michalek, Rundblad and a 1st as long as we could get him to re-sign. If not, then there wouldn't be a point of even trying to get him since we obviously aren't making a playoff cup appearance.

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08-09-2011, 04:23 PM
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I think I speak for all Sens fans when I say don't listen to Sensfan226. Keep this as a Weber value thread rather then Ottawa vs Nashville thread.

As a Sens fan, I'd offer something along the lines of Michalek, Rundblad and a 1st as long as we could get him to re-sign. If not, then there wouldn't be a point of even trying to get him since we obviously aren't making a playoff cup appearance.
Doesn't it suck when one dumb fan ruins it for your fan base?

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Given this construct, a sign and trade where Rangers are guaranteed to have him from the get go say 6 years minimum on top of the one he has in arbitration, a total of 7, I'd offer:

C Stepan
D Girardi
F Boyle
W Zuccarello
W Wolski
W Christian Thomas
C Andrew Yogan
F Chad Kolarik
D Ilkka Heikkinen
F Ryan Bourque

plus two 1st rounders,
for

Weber
and rights to Radulov
and four 2nd rounders

Rationale:
snipers at premium; unless Gaborik is in the equation minimum of established ones Rangers can offer without gutting.
However,
Stepan is the talented bonafide talent at F needed to come back who is reasonably thought to improve a bit on his rookie 20 goals, depending upon the partners;
Boyle will contribute offense now
Thomas = upgrade over Del Zotto, high risk, high reward W
Girardi = full replacement as to defensive D
Heikkinen might also make the team and be a short term contributor
The others are question marks but they will compete
Are you aware each team have a 50 profesionnal contract limit? Did you verify if this offer would put NAS over the 50 contract limit ?

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Even if the value were there, which is obviously isn't, it would, in fact, put us over the contract limit. We are only getting rid of one player under contract. That post is yet another quantity over quality HF offer that fails to take into consideration anything other than "I don't want my team to have to give up anything of value"

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