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08-11-2011, 02:50 PM
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Good to know. I like the KHL clause and all, but if he can't crack the line up, we may as well cut bait, any how. But then again, if he goes over to the KHL and ends up top five in scoring, well, we'll be glad to have retained his rights.
Why cut bait and lose rights when you don't have to? This is a very shrewd move by Maloney with little downside. I was frankly worried about roster inflexibility all year if wad to keep both MacLean and Tik for fear of losing them altogether. This also gives us much more flexibility in potential trade negotiations, as other NHL teams can't lowball with the thought they might get him for next to nothing via waivers. Now they know the only way to get him is via trade.

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08-11-2011, 03:31 PM
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The only players that can be assigned to the AHL before the Waivers Period starts are players that are waiver exempt. Tik wouldn't be eligible to be assigned to the AHL [or KHL for that matter] without first clearing waivers.
As I understand the CBA, the wavier process does not apply to transfers to the KHL only the AHL.

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08-11-2011, 04:24 PM
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Well, I'm pretty sure he'd have to pass through waivers to come back from the KHL, anyway.

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As I understand the CBA, the wavier process does not apply to transfers to the KHL only the AHL.
The CBA waiver process doesn't distinguish what league the player is being transferred to. Any team Loan to another league requires waivers if the player isn't waiver exempt.
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ARTICLE 13: LOANS OF PLAYERS TO MINOR LEAGUE CLUBS

13.1 A Club shall not dispose of the services of any Player in which it has a proprietary interest by Loan to a club of another league without first having complied with the provisions of this Article. The Waivers that are recognized by this Agreement are Regular Waivers, Re-Entry Waivers and Unconditional Waivers.
If you have any examples of players that were loaned with permission of their NHL team to the KHL without waivers I'd be interested to check them out.

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08-11-2011, 04:32 PM
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Well, I'm pretty sure he'd have to pass through waivers to come back from the KHL, anyway.
Nope. Only way he would have to is if he wasn't signed by an NHL club this season and played in the KHL this season.

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08-11-2011, 07:14 PM
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The CBA waiver process doesn't distinguish what league the player is being transferred to. Any team Loan to another league requires waivers if the player isn't waiver exempt.
Actually it does. Look in the first part of the CBA where they define what 'Minor League' (and other terms) is.

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There is nothing specifically defined in the CBA for leagues outside of North America for players under contract in the NHL. Loophole city.


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08-11-2011, 09:29 PM
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It really doesn't matter at the beginning of the season... Half the team that will be assigned to Portland will have to pass through waivers. I don't see it much of an issue. If Tikhonov is assigned to Europe he's not coming back to the NHL this season.

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08-11-2011, 09:59 PM
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It really doesn't matter at the beginning of the season... Half the team that will be assigned to Portland will have to pass through waivers. I don't see it much of an issue. If Tikhonov is assigned to Europe he's not coming back to the NHL this season.
He's been recalled from the KHL before. He played 25 games in the KHL (in the 09-10 season) and was recalled to San Antonio.

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Actually it does. Look in the first part of the CBA where they define what 'Minor League' (and other terms) is.

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"Minors" or "Minor League" means the American Hockey League.
There is nothing specifically defined in the CBA for leagues outside of North America for players under contract in the NHL. Loophole city.
If you look at the absolute end of the CBA, page 454 there is a letter agreement between the NHL and NHLPA to redefine what "Minor League(s)" means. It overrides the original definition.

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Ian C. Pulver
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Toronto, Canada M5G 2C8

Re: Definition of "Minor League(s)"

Dear Ian:

This Letter Agreement is a supplement to the Collective Bargaining Agreement
("CBA"), dated as of July 22, 2005, is incorporated therein and sets forth our agreement
regarding the definition of "minor league" in the CBA.

The parties agree that for purposes of Article 50 of the CBA, the terms "Minor
League" and/or "minor league" and/or "Minors" and/or "minors" shall mean any
professional hockey league other than the NHL.


If this correctly sets forth our agreement, please sign one copy of this letter and
return it to me.

Yours very truly,
/s/ WILLIAM L. DALY
William L. Daly
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AGREED TO AND ACCEPTED:
/s/ IAN C. PULVER
Ian C. Pulver for the
NATIONAL HOCKEY LEAGUE
PLAYERS' ASSOCIATION
Date: July 22, 2005
The letter only specifically calls out Article 50, but I'm not aware of any situation where that redefinition of "Minor League(s)" wasn't applied to all sections of the CBA. If you have an example otherwise I'm interested in hearing it.

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He's been recalled from the KHL before. He played 25 games in the KHL (in the 09-10 season) and was recalled to San Antonio.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=96280
Tik was waiver-exempt when loaned to the KHL.

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08-11-2011, 11:45 PM
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He's been recalled from the KHL before. He played 25 games in the KHL (in the 09-10 season) and was recalled to San Antonio.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=96280
Wrong. He played 18 games in San Antonio THEN was loaned to the KHL (Cherepovets).

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08-11-2011, 11:49 PM
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Wrong. He played 18 games in San Antonio THEN was loaned to the KHL (Cherepovets).
Other way around.

http://coyotes.azvibe.com/2010/03/13...call-tikhonov/

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Kaibur's got it right Dole. SA (2009/09/21 Assigned to San Antonio ) then (2009/11/28 Loaned to HK CSKA Moskva of the Kontinental Hockey League.

IIRC his KHL rights were then acquired by Cherepovets (KHL).

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08-12-2011, 02:17 PM
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Kaibur's got it right Dole. SA (2009/09/21 Assigned to San Antonio ) then (2009/11/28 Loaned to HK CSKA Moskva of the Kontinental Hockey League.

IIRC his KHL rights were then acquired by Cherepovets (KHL).
You're right. SA->KHL->SA.

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You're right. SA->KHL->SA.
Just to clarify, in the 09-10 season (that you mentioned) he was cut and went to SA and played 18 games, asked and was loaned to the KHL for the remainder of their season, and was recalled after it was over. He never went back to SA in 09-10 and I think he just practiced with the big club. I think he was one of the "Aces" or whatever they're called. He didn't rejoin SA until last year (10-11) in September after he was cut.

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Any word on the Yotes re-signing Turris? Where does that stand?

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With this signing, and our pathetic off-season; I want the team to ice all our young guys. I really can't see why we shouldn't. They have all had time to grow, they aren't green anymore, and we have nothing to lose. Put Mac and Tik in positions to show what they can do. Move some of the older guys for picks, if we can't get picks, waive them. Move doan at the trade deadline to the highest bidder -- hopefully a team that has a real chance at winning the cup this year. If we are going to tank/rebuild, let's go balls deep when doing so.

I would be interested in watching the games as well; it would be interesting to see what we would be able to do.

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..... If we are going to tank/rebuild, let's go balls deep when doing so....
I'm talkin bout balls deep, balls deep....

Yes we get Cleveland down here.

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With this signing, and our pathetic off-season; I want the team to ice all our young guys. I really can't see why we shouldn't. They have all had time to grow, they aren't green anymore, and we have nothing to lose. Put Mac and Tik in positions to show what they can do. Move some of the older guys for picks, if we can't get picks, waive them. Move doan at the trade deadline to the highest bidder -- hopefully a team that has a real chance at winning the cup this year. If we are going to tank/rebuild, let's go balls deep when doing so.

I would be interested in watching the games as well; it would be interesting to see what we would be able to do.
I'll play the optimistic card for once: I don't think this coming season is going to be as catastrophic as you picture it. We should have a pretty good D, which is the #1 factor in Tippett's system. OEL is only going to get better, and hopefully Yandle can stay close to last season't level of play. I have high hopes for Turris and Boedker.

I expect us to somehow squeeze into the playoffs and make a quick exit - again.

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I have a world of hope for MacLean. He's a natural scorer.

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I have a world of hope for MacLean. He's a natural scorer.
Same, he will be considered a rookie and I hope he can really stay with the team and excel this year.

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http://www.sports.ru/hockey/140345977.html

Tikhonov said that he will be heading to Phoenix again but will stay in case of 1-way contract only

And also said that Coyotes have a great team

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Tikhonov said that he will be heading to Phoenix again but will stay in case of 1-way contract only

And also said that Coyotes have a great team
Thanks for bringing that over.

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Tikhonov said that he will be heading to Phoenix again but will stay in case of 1-way contract only

And also said that Coyotes have a great team
Enjoy the KHL Viktor, I think your time here is over.

There's no way he's going to get a one-way contract. He hasn't shown anything deserving an NHL guarantee.

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1 way deals are a trade off for a lower NHL salary - if Tikh has a good camp he might earn a spot at the right price.

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Given the history of certain prospects, why do I get the feeling that Tiki is really asking for a trade here?

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