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08-09-2011, 04:56 PM
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NHL Reseach and Development Camp

On nhl.com I came across this article that was very interesting. They have a list of rules and changes that they're going to try.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=5...d-rr-headlines

Listed below are the session agendas for the 2011 NHL Research, Development and Orientation Camp to be held next week in at the Mastercard Centre for Excellence in Etobicoke, Ont.

Wednesday, Aug. 17
(all times ET, subject to change)

10:00 a.m – Noon
No-touch icing
No line change for team committing an offside
• Faceoff variations (penalty line for center committing an infraction; all faceoffs in circles; same linesman drops puck for all faceoffs)
• No icing permitted while shorthanded
• Verification line (additional line behind the goal line)
• Overtime variation (four minutes of 4-on-4 followed by three minutes of 3-on-3)
• Shootout variation (5-man shootout precedes sudden-death format)
• Shallow-back nets

2:30 p.m to 4:30 p.m.
• After offside, faceoff goes back to offending team's end
• Faceoff variations (both centers must come set on whistle; all faceoffs in circles; same linesman drops puck for all face-offs)
• Delayed penalty variation (offending team must exit zone in possession of puck to stop play)
• Changes only permitted on-the-fly (except after goals and upon manpower changes)
Strict enforcement of goaltenders covering puck outside crease (Rule 63.2)
Remove trapezoid
• Verification line
Allow hand passes in all zones
• Overtime variation (switch ends)
• Shootout variation (5-man shootout with repeat players if tied after 5 shooters)
• Thin-netting nets

Thursday, Aug. 18

9:30 a.m. to 11:30 a.m.
• 'Hybrid' icing
• Offside variation (offending team can't change and faceoff in its end zone)
• Faceoff variations (player encroaching can't replace thrown-out center, all faceoffs in circles; same linesman drops puck for all faceoffs)
All penalties to be served in their entirety
• Strict enforcement of goaltenders covering puck outside crease (rule 63.2)
• Bear-hug rule
• Verification line
• Overtime variation (switch ends for four minutes of 4-on-4, followed by three minutes of 3-on-3)
• Shootout variation (3-man shoot out with repeat shooters if tied after 3 shooters)
• Shallow-back nets

1:30pm to 3:30pm
• All-Star Skills competition (fastest skater, breakaway challenge, accuracy shooting, skills relay challenge, hardest shot, elimination shootout)

Other technology/modifications to be tested during various sessions:

• On-ice officials communication -- ref-to-ref wireless
• Overhead camera -- to assist Hockey Operations reviews of various initiatives (verification line/goal netting/in-net camera)
• In-net camera -- mounted camera at one end with one net with camera view focused on the goal line to help verify goals
• Robotic camera -- to test camera angles for coverage closer to ice
• Video replay application review
• Curved glass -- protection options at players bench areas


The ones that are bolder are things that make sense and would help the game imo. What do you think?

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08-09-2011, 05:05 PM
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The only rule change I want is to get rid of the trapezoid, verification line, and the camera on the goal lines inside the net.

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Damn bear hugging. Ruining hockey, I say. I'm glad they're finally taking that problem seriously.

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Any chance any of these rules could be implemented this year or next year?

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Any chance any of these rules could be implemented this year or next year?
this coming year no. Some of these 'ideas' they have done for a few years and have not tried to make them rules

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no touch icing, and removing the trapezoid.

*fingers crossed*

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no touch icing, and removing the trapezoid.

*fingers crossed*
Those are the two rules that have the best chance of being changed imo.

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The last rule I want is no-touch icing. I rather have a trapezoid than that.

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• Changes only permitted on-the-fly (except after goals and upon manpower changes).
• Strict enforcement of goaltenders covering puck outside crease (Rule 63.2).
• Remove trapezoid.
• Offside variation (offending team can't change and faceoff in its end zone).
• Player encroaching can't replace thrown-out centers.
• On-ice officials communication - ref-to-ref wireless.
• In-net camera - mounted camera at one end with one net with camera view focused on the goal line to help verify goals.
• Curved glass - protection options at players bench areas.
I'd like to see all of the above rules / technologies to be implemented.

However, I'm not sure what they mean by 'hybrid' icing or the 'bear-hug rule' - any clarification or specifics on those?

I also thought that all penalties were served in their entirety (or did they mean that players can't go to the lockerroom before the period ends if it's close to the end?) and that faceoffs were only taken in the circles, no?

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the 'bear-hug rule' - any clarification or specifics on those?
The bear-hug rule basically means that holding becomes legal along the boards. It's a stupid proposal that Brian Burke is dishonestly pushing as a safety measure when really he just wants to give an advantage to those big, slow players he loves so much.

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Trapezoid needs to be removed. As a goalie, I HATE the rule.

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The bear-hug rule basically means that holding becomes legal along the boards. It's a stupid proposal that Brian Burke is dishonestly pushing as a safety measure when really he just wants to give an advantage to those big, slow players he loves so much.
That's a terrible idea for a new rule. All the Euro players will want to hug for 60 minutes by the glass instead of playing hockey!

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I also thought that all penalties were served in their entirety (or did they mean that players can't go to the lockerroom before the period ends if it's close to the end?) and that faceoffs were only taken in the circles, no?
I believe they mean scoring a goal wouldn't negate the remaining penalty time.

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good ideas i would implement immediately. ok are either lesser alternatives to good ideas or something there might be bugs to work out with.

basically 4 things that actually affect game play that i would like.

Good idea
No-touch icing
Overtime variation (four minutes of 4-on-4 followed by three minutes of 3-on-3)
Allow hand passes in all zones
Shootout variation (5-man shootout with repeat players if tied after 5 shooters)
Overhead camera -- to assist Hockey Operations reviews of various initiatives (verification line/goal netting/in-net camera)
In-net camera -- mounted camera at one end with one net with camera view focused on the goal line to help verify goals
Robotic camera -- to test camera angles for coverage closer to ice
Video replay application review
Curved glass -- protection options at players bench areas

ok idea
'Hybrid' icing
Shootout variation (3-man shoot out with repeat shooters if tied after 3 shooters)
Overtime variation (switch ends for four minutes of 4-on-4, followed by three minutes of 3-on-3)
Shootout variation (5-man shootout precedes sudden-death format)
Shallow-back nets
On-ice officials communication -- ref-to-ref wireless

don't care
No line change for team committing an offside
Faceoff variations (penalty line for center committing an infraction; all faceoffs in circles; same linesman drops puck for all faceoffs)
Verification line (additional line behind the goal line)
Faceoff variations (both centers must come set on whistle; all faceoffs in circles; same linesman drops puck for all face-offs)
Strict enforcement of goaltenders covering puck outside crease (Rule 63.2)
Remove trapezoid
Overtime variation (switch ends)
Faceoff variations (player encroaching can't replace thrown-out center, all faceoffs in circles; same linesman drops puck for all faceoffs)

terribad idea
No icing permitted while shorthanded
After offside, faceoff goes back to offending team's end
Delayed penalty variation (offending team must exit zone in possession of puck to stop play)
Changes only permitted on-the-fly (except after goals and upon manpower changes)
Offside variation (offending team can't change and faceoff in its end zone)
All penalties to be served in their entirety

WTF would this even do?
Thin-netting nets

i don't know what this means
Bear-hug rule (something to do with scrums after play?)

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I want 3 on 3 in overtime implemented. It would hopefully lead to less shootouts.

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No touch icing would mean the same as international rules while hybrid i guess would mean a mix between NHL rules and international rules where the ref would decide to blow if early if the icing dump isn't chased.

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No touch icing would mean the same as international rules while hybrid i guess would mean a mix between NHL rules and international rules where the ref would decide to blow if early if the icing dump isn't chased.
Don't see how that could be implemented successfully. I'd rather have full no-touch icing than to leave it up to the refs to decide when to blow the whistle (very vague guidelines) - teams could gameplan according to what the ref's tendencies may be with this rule, which I know happens now, but we don't need another way in which this tactic could be used.

I'd like to keep icing as it is now - let the 'on-ice justice' by the players figure itself out when an icing play gets dicey.

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I believe they mean scoring a goal wouldn't negate the remaining penalty time.
Oh, forget that. Leave that for the game misconducts.


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No touch icing would mean the same as international rules while hybrid i guess would mean a mix between NHL rules and international rules where the ref would decide to blow if early if the icing dump isn't chased.
I thought a hybrid icing was when the players race to the goal line.

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The bear-hug rule basically means that holding becomes legal along the boards. It's a stupid proposal that Brian Burke is dishonestly pushing as a safety measure when really he just wants to give an advantage to those big, slow players he loves so much.
Actually, it's a good idea. Instead of guys turning their backs at the last second to "protect the puck" and getting pasted face first into glass, the defender will be able to pin the guy like they used to. If he wanted to give an advantage to big slow players that don't play on Toronto, then he would advocate for bringing back the clutch and grab. It's actually a good idea and something they should have never disallowed in hockey.

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what players are being used for the camp?

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what players are being used for the camp?
Should be top prospects again, I think there's a list somewhere.

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Personally, I've mentioned this on here before, I would like to see them experiment with the PP a little bit. It would be interesting to see how it changes the dynamics of PP situations if a PP ended on a goal by either team. This would give SH teams more incentive to take risks, and some of the most exciting goals in hockey come in SH situations.

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Personally, I've mentioned this on here before, I would like to see them experiment with the PP a little bit. It would be interesting to see how it changes the dynamics of PP situations if a PP ended on a goal by either team. This would give SH teams more incentive to take risks, and some of the most exciting goals in hockey come in SH situations.
I have no idea what you're talking about.. Experiment with the PP how?

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I have no idea what you're talking about.. Experiment with the PP how?
.....perhaps you should consider reading after the first sentence? But maybe I didn't make it clear enough, in which case my bad. But here it is a little more detailed:
Change the rules so that a Powerplay would end regardless of which team scoring. This would give incentive to teams on the Penalty Kill to take chances and try and go for that short handed goal a little more often than they normally would, b.c it would give them an opportunity to even things up in terms of manpower.

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Personally, I've mentioned this on here before, I would like to see them experiment with the PP a little bit. It would be interesting to see how it changes the dynamics of PP situations if a PP ended on a goal by either team. This would give SH teams more incentive to take risks, and some of the most exciting goals in hockey come in SH situations.
I like this idea at first glance, but thinking more in depth I'm not sure it would add any real depth to the game.

The primary objective of a PK would still be not allowing a goal against. To this end I don't think you'd see teams drastically shift how they kill penalties in hopes of getting a shorty to end their opponents PP. The most incentive or risk I could see teams taking is in what personnel they use to kill a penalty, you might see offensively skilled players on the PK a little more frequently.

On the down side, I think this change favors teams winning a game by two goals or more. They're the only ones in a good position to really take advantage of it. Teams losing, tied, or in a tight game just can't afford to take those chances on offense while down a man. Teams with a good lead would be able to put comebacks out of reach, breaking their opponents back with a shorty that kills the PP.


As far as the proposed changes, I endorse improvements to the goal review/replay system and removal of the trapezoid. I could live with no-touch icing but don't see it as a necessity. I think face-off procedures are fine as is, but that someone seems to get tossed more and more frequently...none of the proposed changes would really alter the frequency players get tossed. As far as Shootout and Overtime variations are concerned I'd prefer they stick with what they've got and look instead at altering point distribution. There should be more incentive to win in regulation than currently exists, teams are too happy to get their loser point and work on the extra point after regulation ends.

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