That move was made by the Sharks to clear room for Heatley's cap hit; Heatley was then traded for Martin Havlat two seasons later.
Interesting turn of events.
He wasn't referring to Ehrhoff's salary... I WAS. If one were imagining Ehrhoff among this year's NJ Devils D corps, as part of some alternate universe, I'm not sure I'd want the accompanying contract.
I understand how he was acquired by Vancouver. We'll never know if Lou was in on any Ehrhoff discussions, although he was battling cap issues so perhaps any and all moves were off the table.
Regardless, pretty sure Ehrhoff doesn't put us over the top in either of the past two seasons, if one's imagination wants to run wild wishing for such a thing.
He wasn't referring to Ehrhoff's salary... I WAS. If one were imagining Ehrhoff among this year's NJ Devils D corps, as part of some alternate universe, I'm not sure I'd want the accompanying contract.
Well, technically, that trade wouldn't bring his current contract to the Devils. It would have given the Devils two-years of their best puckmover since Scott Niedermayer — if the Devils could have made a similar trade, I, personally, think it would have been a smart move to make, but who knows if Ehrhoff was even being offered up around the league? Also, if the Devils were having cap issues as you had stated below, Ehrhoff -> NJ wouldn't have even been realistic, because as I said in the post you quoted, Ehrhoff was moved to accommodate Heatley's salary, and a deal with the Devils that included Ehrhoff would probably have had equal salary going back, and that's not what SJ wanted.
Not sure what your original point was, though, unless you were implying that Ehrhoff would have signed an extension.
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I understand how he was acquired by Vancouver. We'll never know if Lou was in on any Ehrhoff discussions, although he was battling cap issues so perhaps any and all moves were off the table.
I don't know if he was, either, but I believe defense wasn't as much of an issue at that point with the Devils — although, they still could have used a PMD.
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Regardless, pretty sure Ehrhoff doesn't put us over the top in either of the past two seasons, if one's imagination wants to run wild wishing for such a thing.
I don't think Ehrhoff is a player that would put any team 'over the top'. He's a solid 2nd pairing puckmover, but he has pretty noticeable defensive flaws.
And Lou thinks this is the strongest group he's had in awhile. All opinion, and truly unknowable, until they play the games.
Strongest group of defensive prospects, sure. But not the strongest NHL defence. It'll take a few years for one to turn into the other.
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I love the job that the organization has done of re-stocking the pipeline with 2 way defensemen. But I also feel that they should be developed patiently (ex. I don't think Urbom is as ready as this board AND the organization does). And when they get to the NHL level, I believe that they will improve more with the help of veteran defensemen. And I think without Colin White, you are jeopardizing this - seeing as White complements youngsters with his smarts and positioning better than any defenseman on the roster.
Exactly. White was a good mentor for young defencemen. Veteran of several years, all with the Devils, defensively responsible, able to cover for mistakes, and tough if the kid needed to be protected.
I could have seen him getting cut loose when his contract expired next season, but to do it now still seems premature to me. We could have used him for another year of mentorship to help transition the defence.
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Doughty is holding out!
Do it Lou!
I don't understand why Lombardi hasn't compromised yet. There's nothing to be gained from playing hardball with Doughty.
I have been a hater on the D since scott and scott left. This year I feel optimistic about the D and i will tell you why.
Now mind you I am taking the chance that the pieces fall the right way
They will have two righty D men. Receiving passes on forehand and not clearing on your back hand (lefty on RD).
Larson and Volchenkov COULD BE two nasty D men to play against and have huge PK Impact. for this to happen Larson has to be the player scouts think he can and Volchenkov continues to block a ton O' shots and hits with good +-. On a side note in NHL 2011 i drafted larson and his overalls were the following.
2012 - 69
2013 - 76
2014 - 81
From what I saw in 2010 world juniors, he makes great first pass with the puck and is strong on boards in D zone, with accurate deflectable shots from the point, not lazer beams from rolston right at the emblem.
Taormina Factor. a quote from a college team mate of his this summer "he has the potential to run the devils PP this year" I trust the source.
Fayne - maybe he continues what he did during the streak, and maybe not, but if he does, it will help a ton.
sorry for spelling, Tip$y and cant locate the $pell check.
- Fruits
whoah - check it out - the new guy knows his stuff.
We must have set a record on HF for highest caliber of new posters this summer - both drafted and walk-ons.
...BUMMER that NJD could not retain the services of Zach, but no doubt they gave it their best effort. Which, again, is all you can do. Good luck to him and thanks for several productive and entertaining seasons.
...Life will go on. Time to focus on improving the team in that area.
Nothing more or less.
Sure, life goes on but as Devils fan I will be extreamly disappointed and not at Parise but at Lamoriello. That's how I feel about this situation. However, I will wait to see what transpires after January 1st.
again, if Lou is offering him a fair long term deal and Zach doesnt sign it, how is that Lou's fault? the player has to actually WANT to sign. theres only so much a GM can do.
we dont know who is to blame in this situation. to think either way is nuts.
take it how you will. He played with the kid and saw what he can do first hand, and he currently plays on the bing. Senators. Again, I trust his statement.
I was more of less pointing out the humor in the statement. With the amount, or lack thereof, of quality PMD on the NHL roster the past few years, I'm sure I could have "run" the Devils PP.
All kidding aside, I liked what I saw from Tao as a puckmover in the brief time that we got to see him.
And if a pplayer won't sign you should consider trading him then, especially when there has been 2 years to work out a deal. If he walks for nothing I'll be upset.
Its taos play in the D zone that worries me. Put him with white and it'll be a good pairing, o wait...
again, if Lou is offering him a fair long term deal and Zach doesnt sign it, how is that Lou's fault? the player has to actually WANT to sign. theres only so much a GM can do.
we dont know who is to blame in this situation. to think either way is nuts.
Understood, but if I was the GM, I would move him. I'm sure we can get back a player or players that can help us now and in the future. Hearing Lou say we did our best, but unfortunately Zach decided to go somewhere else, is bad asset management.
However, as I already mentioned, I'll give Lou the benefit of the doubt until January.
just because he won't sign doesn't mean he'll play like ****. You still get a premier player of the game and he gets to showcase his skills. You can renegotiate and who knows how his opinions change if we make a cup run.
Given the demographics on this board, it is quite easy to make that claim without any rebuttal.
Alas, a few of us remember 1982....
Flock of Seagulls....
Boy George....
Ronald Reagan....
Falkland Islands War...
Death of Princess Grace....
....And that atrocious Devils team, in their inaugural season in NJ.
Really now Jim, can you say with any intellectual honesty that this defense is inferior to the likes of Tapio Levo, Murray Brumwell, Joel Quenneville, Bob Lorimer, Mike Kitchen and Carol Vadnais?
Reeeeeally?
Hey Trotts, don't go dissing my boy Lorimer. I'd have to hurts ya!
As for the Devils current defense, I'm closer to Jim's opinion than most, it seems. For one, I'm not sold on Taormina. I'm still not convinced he's an NHL calibre defenseman in his own zone. I'm really hoping that Salvador is well enough to play. I'm also hoping that his re-introduction into the league goes smoother than most. Don't know if Larsson will start the year in New Jersey, but once he's in the top 6 he's gonna be solid.
again, if Lou is offering him a fair long term deal and Zach doesnt sign it, how is that Lou's fault? the player has to actually WANT to sign. theres only so much a GM can do.
we dont know who is to blame in this situation. to think either way is nuts.
I still haven't decided whether the one year contract is proof he wants to stay, or proof he wants out. We haven't heard anything since the signing to indicate either way.
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Sigh. The days of being loyal to the team that gave you your shot in the NHL are long since behind us.
God bless Brodeur and Elias.
I'm not sure those days ever existed. Players have always gone for the money, and always will.
I still haven't decided whether the one year contract is proof he wants to stay, or proof he wants out. We haven't heard anything since the signing to indicate either way.
I'm not sure those days ever existed. Players have always gone for the money, and always will.
you cant look at martys contract and tell me he put money ahead of loyalty
notable RFAs include Matt Corrente, Marc Fraser, Matt Taormina, Vladimir Zharkov, Nick Palmieri, and Mark Fayne. none of those guys will get any kind of significant money to worry about and some of them probably wont even be back.
What would a Devils offseason be without Mark Fraser electing for arbitration?
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you cant look at martys contract and tell me he put money ahead of loyalty
Marty's in the one percent of players who does value something besides the highest contract. You can't even really put Elias there since he got his pound of flesh in UFA. Although some other players do turn down the highest contract if it's coming from the Isles or Edmonton...
