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08-15-2011, 03:08 PM
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Sutton is barely a #6 D-man, and truthfully, if he plays a regular shift (and watch him play a regular shift on this D), then your team is in trouble.

I think Hannan, at worst, is still a #4 type D-man.

I still don't exactly understand the Regher trade from Calgary, but that's ok, they'll be less competitive in the final years of their window for contending.
Jay Feaster was on the radio and said, "We thought we had a great shot at Richards"

If that was EDM, Flames fans wouldn't let us hear the end of it. Instead, they all say, "That was a great and ballsy move by Jay. Glad we got a GM who wants to win"

LOL

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Obviously the D man. I think he is draft eligible for the next draft. Heard he is just as cocky. Would be fun to see him piss of people


People say the goalie brother is a bit of a project but the defensman brother is a pretty solid player
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Malcolm, the goalie, is eligible next year.


Jordan, the defenseman, is eligible in 2013, I think.

And yeah, you're right, he's basically a carbon copy of PK.
Or we could draft Matt Dumba. Red Deer connection to RNH, got swagger, throws devastating hits, Captain of the U18, gamebreaker. I see alot of PK in him.

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08-15-2011, 03:13 PM
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Or we could draft Matt Dumba. Red Deer connection to RNH, got swagger, throws devastating hits, Captain of the U18, gamebreaker. I see alot of PK in him.
IATL has been pushing for him for quite some time. We could really use a guy on the 1st/2nd pairing that can instill fear into our opponents. It looks like we should have quite a few really solid D to choose from next year.

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Disagree...Hannan at 32 has shown he is still capable of playing some big minutes and can still be depended upon for the top 4. The 36 year old Sutton on the other hand has shown that he is well past his best before date and is a bottom pairing dman at best.

Hannan would at least help the team groom players like Petry and Peckham for a couple of years...Sutton helps nothing and should be gone at seasons end.

No comparison between these players at this point especially when you factor in the price point.
Lets not kid ourselves, Hannan is not a competent top 4 guy anymore, he only got signed after the market completely dried up and Washington who could certainly use a stay at home top 4 defenseman didn't re-sign him at such a low price, what does that tell you?
Hannan is better than Sutton at this point but missing out on Hannan is nothing to get worked up about imo.

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Jay Feaster was on the radio and said, "We thought we had a great shot at Richards"

If that was EDM, Flames fans wouldn't let us hear the end of it. Instead, they all say, "That was a great and ballsy move by Jay. Glad we got a GM who wants to win"

LOL
On the flames board I read this quote by Feaster during their season ticket holder lunch:

"Richards decision came down to the Flames and NYR ultimately The Flames offered more money, even more then what the media hounds thought, but Brad really wanted to be close to family and he hated travel in the west. Brad acknowledged that the chance to win a cup with the Flames was good, he loved the idea of playing with Iggy and Tangs, felt like that would have been one of the best first lines around."

I thought Richards was just using the Flames to up the money the other teams would give him, ala Hossa and Edmonton. He must be dumber then he looks if he thinks Calgary is a legit cup contender.

And Feaster also said this haha:

"No Joke here. Feaster says that the way the Oilers build their team selecting top-picks every year is sickening, and that’s not what the Flames are about. "

Seems someone is worried...

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Flames are probably as resistant to reality as the Oilers were from 07 to 2010. Probably won't see any signifigant organizational shift in thinking until Iginla retires.

In the meantime they'll just follow the old Oilers model, missing the playoffs every year, pushing for UFAs that won't sign there, and hyping up late season surges as "what's to come!" rather than last gasps of an aging vet core with no incoming prospect depth that it really reflects.

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Yeah, ^ that "sickening" quote really bothered me when I read it.

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Or we could draft Matt Dumba. Red Deer connection to RNH, got swagger, throws devastating hits, Captain of the U18, gamebreaker. I see alot of PK in him.
Man Dumba is an exciting player. Loved him with the Rebels this year........shows a ton of potential.

Would love it if the Oilers were in a position to draft him. I think he's going to get better and better (i.e. reduce the mistakes/risks) as he gets older and matures. One thing you can defintely see in his game is the dynamic quality and flair for offense.

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Man Dumba is an exciting player. Loved him with the Rebels this year........shows a ton of potential.

Would love it if the Oilers were in a position to draft him. I think he's going to get better and better (i.e. reduce the mistakes/risks) as he gets older and matures. One thing you can defintely see in his game is the dynamic quality and flair for offense.
Not to mention he hits like a truck.

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Or we could draft Matt Dumba. Red Deer connection to RNH, got swagger, throws devastating hits, Captain of the U18, gamebreaker. I see alot of PK in him.
Yeah I like him too.

This year though, if he shows that his defensive game is legitimate (ie is positioning etc), then there is no reason he won't be a top-6 pick.

Funny enough, we may be in a position to draft Nick Ebert/Griffen Reinhart heh.

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Lets not kid ourselves, Hannan is not a competent top 4 guy anymore, he only got signed after the market completely dried up and Washington who could certainly use a stay at home top 4 defenseman didn't re-sign him at such a low price, what does that tell you?
Hannan is better than Sutton at this point but missing out on Hannan is nothing to get worked up about imo.
The way I see it Sutton fits the Oilers needs far more than Scott Hannan. Hannan is a great positional player....but that's it. On a young team that's trying to get bigger, tougher and more physical Sutton is a more desirable player than Hannan. Hannan was great at one point but his physical game is pretty well non existent at this point and he brings no offense so I don't think he is really what Tambellini is looking for these days.

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Not really sure where this goes on our board, but as of yesterday Robby Dee is a free agent since we did not sign him.

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Any interest in Marchand as an RFA OS?

What would it take?

I personally would do backflips if we could get him.

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Any interest in Marchand as an RFA OS?

What would it take?

I personally would do backflips if we could get him.
Probably better to target him via trade so that we can retain our picks.

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Probably better to target him via trade so that we can retain our picks.
I was thinking the same thing. Save picks and save face.

The only reason I would think we could afford to spend the picks is that I don't think it would take a huge amount of money to get the Bruins not to match.

What are we thinking for money/term for him?

Would Omark + 3rd rounder get him?

Am I crazy?

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I was thinking the same thing. Save picks and save face.

The only reason I would think we could afford to spend the picks is that I don't think it would take a huge amount of money to get the Bruins not to match.

What are we thinking for money/term for him?

Would Omark + 3rd rounder get him?

Am I crazy?
Yes.

How does one of the most valuable players in their play-off run equate to Omark and a 3rd?

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Yes.

How does one of the most valuable players in their play-off run equate to Omark and a 3rd?
Because I'm crazy.

Are they going to be sure that its not a one playoff lightning in a bottle scenario?

What would you think is the max that they would match?

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I was thinking the same thing. Save picks and save face.

The only reason I would think we could afford to spend the picks is that I don't think it would take a huge amount of money to get the Bruins not to match.

What are we thinking for money/term for him?

Would Omark + 3rd rounder get him?

Am I crazy?
Omark and a 3rd would be very light IMO. I would assume that they would want to take on players that are low in salary. We'd probably need to start with quality prospects on our side.

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I doubt Boston has any interest in anything on our roster other than Hall, Eberle and Paajarvi, and none of them will be dealt for Marchand. There is literally nothing Boston needs from us and they need Marchand much more so really, the offersheet would be the best way to go.

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I doubt Boston has any interest in anything on our roster other than Hall, Eberle and Paajarvi, and none of them will be dealt for Marchand. There is literally nothing Boston needs from us and they need Marchand much more so really, the offersheet would be the best way to go.
I feel that Marchand might be tough to estimate for an offer sheet.

Obviously if we're offer sheeting you're generally going to be overpaying, as if it was a fair contract, any team that is not up against the cap would match.

Anyone care to put themselves out there for a number?

I might be too horny for this guy to be objective.

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I doubt Boston has any interest in anything on our roster other than Hall, Eberle and Paajarvi, and none of them will be dealt for Marchand. There is literally nothing Boston needs from us and they need Marchand much more so really, the offersheet would be the best way to go.
IMO they could use Hemsky but his cap hit is too high for them.

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Doughty hasn't signed a contract yet has he?

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Doughty hasn't signed a contract yet has he?
Not to my knowledge.

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Not to my knowledge.
I'd be curious to know what the hold up is.

We're a month from training camp, this is a young norris caliber D-man who's going to get better.

It's also not like he had a career year which he won't be able to recreate.

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Lets not kid ourselves, Hannan is not a competent top 4 guy anymore, he only got signed after the market completely dried up and Washington who could certainly use a stay at home top 4 defenseman didn't re-sign him at such a low price, what does that tell you?
Hannan is better than Sutton at this point but missing out on Hannan is nothing to get worked up about imo.

There are multiple reasons why a player doesn't sign immediately after FA season starts....your conclusion is far from being definitive.

The reality is that Hannan has recently played big minutes in a top four role. Sutton has recently played bottom pairing minutes and was anything but effective doing it.

Not surprisingly Tambi (little to no hope that he will before the season starts) didn't see the need to upgrade the 2 biggest weaknesses on the team...defense and goaltending.

Its about fit and Hannan is a better fit for this teams needs at this point in time. Sutton is a slow footed 6/7 defensman...how exactly does he help this team more than Hannan?
At 32 Hannan has shown he can at least play more than the 10-12 (useless bottom pairing) minutes a night Sutton will play.

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