I doubt it to be honest, probably some crap Madrid has come up with.
Its not the typical insult in Spain, and even if he insulted its not that big of a deal, I mean, its like if only Barça players insult, so do Madrid and players like Carvalho, Casillas, Ozil, etc... and they are all in the pitch in a final, with all the nerves that are going on with those two teams...
How do you know it was made up? Ozil was very upset at the end of that game so it's obvious something really bothered him.
BTW, how is insulting a person's religion "not that big of a deal"? Don't try to make excuses for Barca players.
How do you know it was made up? Ozil was very upset at the end of that game so it's obvious something really bothered him.
BTW, how is insulting a person's religion "not that big of a deal"? Don't try to make excuses for Barca players.
The simple fact that Madrid came up with a video excusing his poor attitude in the game tells you that Villa insulting Ozil religion probably was made up by them.
There's NOTHING you can excuse for what they did, the fact they made a video like that is just ridicolous and tells you how much Madrid has changed since Mourinho is here, should have done a video saying sorry for our poor performance in the last minutes of the game.
Ozil probably was bothered because he was given a red card for doing nothing and because Valdes slapped him in the face.
What I meant with not that big of a deal its that players insult each other in the field and should not take it seriously, that was all.
So Villa apparently insulted Ozil's religion. With the Busquets and monkey insults, Barca seem to have a problem with religions and races....
Yeah, sure he did. That's a BS rumor started on Twitter. Where's Ozil's remarks on it? Where are the how many other Madrid players and officials who were present comments on it?
I'll be making a post on the whole situation later on, but there is clear video evidence where Ozil pushes Valdes, Villa confronts Ozil and after Ozil's reaction to that Villa pushes him. Ozil then goes crazy.
And what of the monkey chants directed at Dani Alves at the Bernabeu in the first leg?
One group of idiots does not excuse another group of idiots.
in either part.
Completely agree, but I've seen nothing to suggest that Villa said anything of that sort to Ozil.
As for the chants at Dani Alves, sadly Marcelo suffered the same chants at the Camp Nou.
Anyway, I'll post more later, but there was definitely a bigger group of idiots in the overall picture when it was all said and done. A lot of things happened that haven't even been mentioned here yet.
Completely agree, but I've seen nothing to suggest that Villa said anything of that sort to Ozil.
As for the chants at Dani Alves, sadly Marcelo suffered the same chants at the Camp Nou.
Anyway, I'll post more later, but there was definitely a bigger group of idiots in the overall picture when it was all said and done. A lot of things happened that haven't even been mentioned here yet.
Oh I'm sure there are more idiots on one bench than the other, but it really doesn't matter to me.
I'm not a fan of any racist crap, period, and that's something that both groups of supporters, clubs, and staff (playing/otherwise) need to come out and put a stamp on. As much of a clown as Marcelo can be, there's no place in the sport for it. I'm certain, you, like most legitimate fans of the sport (and most any sport with problems like this) feel that way, and it's a pretty obvious statement.
That said, I'm all about the drama, and think the eye gouging/ear grab/panties in a wrinkle stuff as a neutral just makes it more exciting. However, if and when the game on the pitch is drastically reduced in quality because of the shennanigans, it's when I think it's too far. If it just heightens the excitement and fever, great. You also have to figure that something like the Marcelo tackle was happening in that match. There are a few nut jobs on that squad (and one or two who feed it on Barca's side) that wouldn't let that one just go. I'm just a bit shocked it wasn't that tool bag Ramos to be honest. He's dumber than a rock.
The problem is finding that line, and making sure the players and supporters don't cross it.
I doubt it to be honest, probably some crap Madrid has come up with.
Its not the typical insult in Spain, and even if he insulted its not that big of a deal, I mean, its like if only Barça players insult, so do Madrid and players like Carvalho, Casillas, Ozil, etc... and they are all in the pitch in a final, with all the nerves that are going on with those two teams...
I don't see Ozil as the type of guy that makes up stuff like that. Marcelo on the other hand...
Well I have to echo the sentiment of a lot of people that followed the matches and that is what a great set of matches. Just the play alone really notched up this rivalry and you can see why it's called el Clasico. I have to say that I'm surprised that Barça ended up winning the cup. I'm not shocked, but I honestly thought that with the difference between the two side's preseasons would have meant Madrid taking it. They definitely looked the fitter side to me, but I think our game was lagging them in the second half of that second match. I was thrilled with the goals that Barça scored in that second match. All three were top quality goals. I particularly loved the second goal with Pique's backheel, Cristiano on his knees as he tries to catch Messi and Casillas flailing as he can do nothing to stop it.
I also loved Dani Alves' performance. For the "he can't defend" crowd they need to go back and have another look at this match. He owned Ronaldo (and Benzema and whoever else was out there on that side). And Mascherano had another good match as CB. Anyway, I can't wait to see our team at full fitness if that's what we can offer at less than full fitness.
As for the rest of it all, it definitely didn't surprise me after Madrid's approach to last season's 4 Clasicos. In that second match it was the same thing all over again. In fact Pepe should have been sent off on 3 different occassions. Marcelo and Ramos should have been sent off as well. Usual suspects really and you can add Coentrao to that list after that one challenge on Adriano. In fact, did Adriano have a target on his back that match or what? Anyway, what I saw on the field was just an extension of last season. What happened in injury time though was even more.
Before I get into that though, I think it was interesting to read the different approach from the two managers before the first leg. Mourinho basically said the Cup isn't a big deal and Guardiola in response to the less than perfect preseason said "no excuses."
So with the aftermath of the match and the whole injury time incident, things have just been unfolding for a series of days. By the end of the next day I thought it was all covered and then another incident was found. Anyway, TVE in Spain completely ignored the whole footage of the Mourinho eye poke on Tito Vilanova and put out this video that basically looked like it was produced by Mourinho himself:
They eventually issued an apology, in the wee hours of the early morning (and I ain't talking Milwaukee time either) when all of Spain would be watching, at 4am.
Getting to the tackle that lead to the whole situation, not only was it from behind, but it was a real nasty scissors kick that could have done some real damage. I hate to think what could have happened were it a bigger player. Of course it wasn't, it was just Marcelo who apparently isn't a dirty player. Yeah right, where is that guy anyway? After that then of course everything exploded:
The tackle that changed the image of Real Madrid and formed the biggest fracas we ever saw in a Barça-Madrid is something we already saw. But every detail was provoking a reaction in chain that left the worst ending possible for a brilliant game.
The first consequence of Marcelo deciding to "cut" Cesc from the pitch was that the bench of Barcelona jumped rapidly to ask for a red card that did not took much time to appear.
Xabi Alonso realizes what can happen and his first reaction is to ask for calm: "It's okay, it's okay". The "other" Xavi doesn't know how to swallow so much hardness... the fracas was formed.
Meanwhile, Özil appears with calm in the left side of the screen. Later, it'll be important. Until now, the mess is just caused because of the tackle. But a first contact between Mou and Vilanova make everyone target the Portuguese. Mascherano has seen it, Busquets and Iniesta too.
This is the main cause of conflict and the pushes start, the insults and those who try to bring calm appear. Like Pepe, who gets out of the fracas violently trying to bring Cesc up by strength. Carvalho and Keita push each other. And Cesc falls down again, where gets steps on him by everyone there, who literaly walk on him, passing from one side of the pack to another one... until Messi realizes what is going on.
Let's get back to Özil, who was walking around, not really knowing which mess he had to choose... Villa realizes the presence of Özil and, when (the German) finds Valdés, he pushes him... Villa, who had just seen what Özil did, wants to reproach him the action and grabs the German by his arm. Özil tries to get away with an ugly gesture and this is when Özil gets the first one. Villa pushes Özil from the back and, when Özil turns around, Valdés appears and slaps him in the face.
From that point, the fracas swallows Özil. Casillas tries to separate people here and there until Özil goes out totally out of control. Pepe and Carvalho try to take him out, but no one can control him. Fernandez Borbalán (the referee), who was walking around, did not seem to see the action and it is the assistant ref who explains it all to him.
Automatically, red card for Özil, who definitively loses his head. Khedira grabs him and, finally, Higuain takes him far from there. Meanwhile, red for Villa and Özil kept looking for him.... until he finally decides to leave.
The Özil-Villa affair was what started the main pushing and slapping event... like Pinto, who saw from his corner the mess that was about to start and decided to participate. Sergio Ramos grabbed his neck.... too much tension.
Guardiola reviewed the situation: "Very bad, very bad... fatal, fatal" and went back to bench leaving Mou there thinking if he had anything to do in all that.
"It shouldn't happen, Cris... it shouldn't happen", this is what Iniesta tried to tell Cristiano Ronaldo... "Isn't it?"... and both stayed there, not talking to each other, just looking at the show... maybe thinking that noone is perfect.
(Cuatro)
A couple of other additional points:
-Mourinho is the first person on the pitch. He also very clearly goes to put his foot on Cesc:
I won't say he kicked him or stepped on him, but he clearly goes to put his foot on him somehow.
-Mourinho also clearly pokes Tito Vilanova in the eye after he comes up from behind:
And you can look at the video footage of Mourinho's face after Tito slaps him from behind afterwards. Mourinho knew exactly what he was doing. Then of course you have Mourinho's comments after the match where he pretends he doesn't know who Vilanova is and calls him "Pito" Vilanova, for those of you who know Spanish slang.
-Pepe was well involved in the fracas. He kicked Valdes from behind (look at 1:00):
and also physically tried to haul Cesc up off the ground.
-As for the Ozil incident, make of it what you will, but I've seen no proof of any comment from Villa and the rumor was started from Twitter as Duchene said in a post above. You can also see from the Cuatro video that he pushes Valdes from behind, Villa reacts, then Valdes reacts and then Ozil explodes. And this is the same Ozil who kicked the ball into the crowd earlier in the match. Oh, and he's what the ******* who apparently isn't the sort of player who does such things had to say:
-As for Ronaldo, he stayed out of it as you can see in the Cuatro video. I would love to know his thoughts on this one. Word was that he wasn't happy with Mourinho's approach last season and he doesn't look pleased this season either. I still think he's an ass, but it seems he clearly isn't impressed by it all. Who knows though considering the footage I saw of him with Marcelo and Mourinho from one of their LA training sessions.
-That brings me to Casillas. Like I've already said, he's a ********* just like the rest of them: "It's one challenge, a player on the ground and the same old story." Now of course Casillas not being a total idiot, though pretty close for making such a stupid remark in the first place as regards Cesc after that challenge, has since reached out to both Puyol and Xavi to apologize. Sadly they've apparently accepted it.
As for the racist ****, it clearly needs to stop but I doubt it will anytime soon. Not the first time we've seen it in Spain and surely won't be the last. It does always seem to be targetting the "antagonists" of the bigger teams when it does happen, but it's disgusting all the same.
As for Madrid, personally I hope the likes of Mourinho, Pepe, Marcelo, Ramos, Khedira, Coentrao, Casillas, Arbeloa, etc stick around for a long time. They're all doing wonders for Madrid. Valdano is clearly proud and Lord only knows what Florentino thinks.
I'll finish with Messi's reply to Mourinho, Coentrao and the rest of the ******** after the second goal:
The whole Mourinho stepped on Fabregas' head is pretty ridiculous if you ask me.
It clearly shows in your videos that he never even touches Fabregas and Fabregas never moves when the foot hovers around his head.
Plus, your criticism of Casillas is unjustified. He is the classiest and most respected player on both teams along with Xavi, Puyol and Alonso, and in the world also. If you want to look at a classless and annoying goalkeeper who overrates himslef to the highest extent, just look the other way at Valdes. What an annoying dou che.
Anywho, should be great fixtures between the two teams this year.
Only the 1st date, 2nd journey will be probably done
With the negotations again on the verge of breakdown and 2nd round to be cancelled, I don't really understand the reasoning behind the the players (or their representatives).
If some clubs are struggling to play the players in the first place, how does it increase the income of the clubs to cancel the games.
If some teams are denied the income from home games against Barca or Real, how on earth they are supposed to be able to pay the players.
Unless they can somehow legally force the top clubs to pay the salaries of other club's players as well, I don't see how the players can win in this situation. Not familiar with the Spanish labour laws, but if some player hasn't been paid in months, he surely must be able to leave free of transfer fee and sign with whomever he wants end possibly claim unpaid salaries through bankruptcy procedure.
In that case, I'm sure there are other clubs willing to step in and play in La Liga and pay salaries that are affordable to those clubs (obviously salaries would be lower than the current contracts).
Certainly Barcelona and Real can survive the whole season by just playing CL and exhibition matches all over the world, so I think it's the other teams and their players who need to give up and drop their demands.
The longer this goes on, the worse financially the vast majority of the players, who are not good enough for the top teams, are, imo.
Obviously as a consequence, the competitive aspect of the league suffers as well.
The Supercopa was Guardiola's 11th major title since he became manager which equals Cruyff's record. Amazing thing he's done it in 3 years.
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The whole Mourinho stepped on Fabregas' head is pretty ridiculous if you ask me.
It clearly shows in your videos that he never even touches Fabregas and Fabregas never moves when the foot hovers around his head.
Plus, your criticism of Casillas is unjustified. He is the classiest and most respected player on both teams along with Xavi, Puyol and Alonso, and in the world also. If you want to look at a classless and annoying goalkeeper who overrates himslef to the highest extent, just look the other way at Valdes. What an annoying dou che.
Anywho, should be great fixtures between the two teams this year.
It just as clearly shows he touches his head, if every so slightly. Shouldn't have even been there in the first place.
Yeah, Casillas is really classy. That's why he called Cesc out and not Marcelo. Not to mention him sticking up for Ramos after this challenge:
Real classy that.
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Well, Barça destroyed Napoli today
Yeah, 5-0. Really looking forward to the next match though. I want the same scoreline in that one.
With the negotations again on the verge of breakdown and 2nd round to be cancelled, I don't really understand the reasoning behind the the players (or their representatives).
If some clubs are struggling to play the players in the first place, how does it increase the income of the clubs to cancel the games.
If some teams are denied the income from home games against Barca or Real, how on earth they are supposed to be able to pay the players.
Unless they can somehow legally force the top clubs to pay the salaries of other club's players as well, I don't see how the players can win in this situation. Not familiar with the Spanish labour laws, but if some player hasn't been paid in months, he surely must be able to leave free of transfer fee and sign with whomever he wants end possibly claim unpaid salaries through bankruptcy procedure.
In that case, I'm sure there are other clubs willing to step in and play in La Liga and pay salaries that are affordable to those clubs (obviously salaries would be lower than the current contracts).
Certainly Barcelona and Real can survive the whole season by just playing CL and exhibition matches all over the world, so I think it's the other teams and their players who need to give up and drop their demands.
The longer this goes on, the worse financially the vast majority of the players, who are not good enough for the top teams, are, imo.
Obviously as a consequence, the competitive aspect of the league suffers as well.
I'm not really sure I see the logic here. I play for X club and they haven't paid me for 3 months (just hypothetical). I'm going to play now in hopes they decide to finally start paying me? Shouldn't they pay me first? How many people here would work for 3 months without pay, then get told "hey come work a little longer and will pay you"
They should play the league with Barca, Real, Valencia, Malaga, Athletico Madrid and Sevilla. The rest of the league is filling material anyways and cannon fodder for Barca and Real. Primera Divison isn't a competition anyways, it's a battle between Barca and Real, the rest is pretty much boring since a decade.
In Germany teams that can't pay their players wouldn't even get a license to play in the Bundesliga, how did some of this teams manage to play in the league. Any insight how things work in Spain (is there some sort of licensing anyways) would be appreciated as the Primera Divison normally doesn't interest me much.
It just as clearly shows he touches his head, if every so slightly. Shouldn't have even been there in the first place.
Yeah, Casillas is really classy. That's why he called Cesc out and not Marcelo. Not to mention him sticking up for Ramos after this challenge:
Real classy that.
Lol. In your opinion, San Iker, the captain of RM, should call out his own players publically and defend Barcelona players everytime they get tackled. For god sakes, this is club football, not international.
Shockingly the Federation is looking into the incident of their own accord.
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Lol. In your opinion, San Iker, the captain of RM, should call out his own players publically and defend Barcelona players everytime they get tackled. For god sakes, this is club football, not international.
He shouldn't be calling out Cesc publically after that disgusting challenge for starters. That's classless and again, no surprise from him. As for Ramos and Marcelo, yes, he should be remonstrating them for those challenges. They're dirty, totally unnecessary and they got suspended for it. They hurt the team and hurt the image of the club, though that seems to be the aspiration of a lot of Madid players nowadays.
Mourinho is in over his head. He got rid of Valdano, he has now overpaid for some new players (Coentrao) and yet he still cannot beat Barcelona. His arrogance and his own hypocrisy will be his undoing, although it may take a year or two.
