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03-01-2013, 02:44 PM
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If you haven't seen him play yet, watch a Wild game and check out Brodin. For being 19 years old and a rookie, he is unbelievable. He has the poise of a 15 year NHL veteran. He is is a tremendous skater, he is so calm with the puck, and he is shutting down the opposing team's #1 line like it's no big deal. If you watch him closely he makes all of these little plays that other guys wouldn't even think of doing, and he is tremendous at using his stick to steal the puck from the opponent.

Once his offense develops, watch out. He is the real deal.
I'd agree with this based on all I said.

Except I can't say it's a "once his offense develops". Or at least to what extent you're implying it develops to. It'll develop, but I can't say with certainty it'll develop to a top-end extent and even if it does, it's not gonna catch Karlsson.

An amazing young player though. For the guys that get off on young players, you'll love watching Brodin.

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03-04-2013, 10:43 AM
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Brodin is the man. If he continues to learn it could be scary what he could be like in a few years, let alone a vet in his prime at age 25

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I might want to throw in Klefbom ahead of Hedman in that mix but other than that it is a solid list.

Your list feels outdated by a couple of years.
Who had Karlsson #1 a couple of years ago?

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Klefbom with the oilers
Is he now?

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03-04-2013, 06:09 PM
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Not as well known as some of the other guys, but Hakan Andersson is extremely high on Mattias Bäckman. He gets better by the game it seems, a late round guy with a ton of potential, the Wings are hopeful he will be on the World Championship team this year. Think the latest guy he compared him to was Edler in a recent interview.

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03-04-2013, 06:21 PM
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03-04-2013, 06:25 PM
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Brodin is the man. If he continues to learn it could be scary what he could be like in a few years, let alone a vet in his prime at age 25
Isn't a defenseman's prime later like around 27-30?

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Isn't a defenseman's prime later like around 27-30?
thats the lame joke. see he will be in his prime from age 20-40, all with the wild

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03-05-2013, 01:33 AM
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Not sure what constitutes 'great' but OEL is already a clear cut #1 @21, playing 25+ minutes a night.

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10-02-2013, 11:15 AM
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Mattias Backman. He is a 20 yr old Lidstrom, not saying he will be as good as Nick was but he is what Nick was as a 20 yr old.


Ok, then tell me what those Swedish stats mean. How do those stats relate to the stats in other leagues? What do those stats mean to the rest of the game that he spends 90% of his time on the ice doing? What do those stats say about what he does in the other 2 zones?



Good questions. No idea.



You can use stats of recent SHL graduates as an indicator.
Almquist scored 11 points in 41 games in the SHL in 2011-12 before coming to NA and scoring 31 points in 68 games for the Griffs last year.
Ericsson scored 0 points in 24 games in the SEL (it used to be the SEL they changed it to the SHL since) in 2005-06 before coming to NA and scoring 29 points for the Griffs in 67 games in 2006-07.
Kronwall scored 18 points in 50 games in the SEL in 2002-03 before coming to NA and scoring and scoring 13 points in 25 games for the Griffs and 5 points in 20 games for the Wings in 03-04.
Backman scored 26 in 50 games in the SHL last year and is younger than Almquist, Ericsson and Kronwall were in their last years in Sweden befoe coming over to NA.
It is reasonable to expect them to score at higher a clip in the AHL than they did in Sweden. I think the competition is comparable but because of the larger ice-surface and the greater distance from the blue line to the net, defensemen in Europe score on a smaller percentage of their team's points than they do in NA.


So he's going to be like M-A Bergeron? He can score points but is pretty much useless in every other aspect of the game. To me there is more to defense than scoring points.


So if he can produce, he can't play defense?
Unfortunately there aren't many stats that accurately depict how well a player is defensively and you just have to judge from what you have seen of him (usually a flawed method because fans are emotionally invested in their tam and some are homers and most are awayers and some just randomly choose who they like and dislike and then stick to it despite development or lack of it) or go by scouting reports
From Hockey's Future
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/mattias_backman/

Talent Analysis

Despite his size, Backman doesn’t play a particularly physical or powerful game. He is a simple, economical defenseman who makes the smart play and knows to play within himself. He’s an excellent skater for his size, makes a good first pass and makes good decisions with and without the puck. He won’t wow you, but he won’t often be beat or get caught cheating either.


Future

Backman will look to play his first full Swedish Elite League season with Linkoping in 2012-13.



Bob Duff @asktheduffer

#redwings Jiri Fischer on Backman: "He’s got ability with the puck and he sees the ice. He can make plays under pressure."
12:16 PM - 22 May 2013


He has shown an uncanny ability to avoid injuries.
http://www.redwingscentral.com/2013/01/ ... s-backman/


While Backman’s not physical, he showed Andersson a tough mental attitude after taking a blindside hit while not carrying the puck during a national-team game in December.

“He said, ‘My own fault. You’ve got to be prepared always,’” Andersson recalled. “That was nice to hear that he thinks that way. He’s stepped up.”

Andersson said that aside from Edmonton Oilers first-rounder Oscar Klefbom, he wouldn’t trade Backman for any defenseman in Sweden.



http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=& ... Wc&cad=rja


April 2013 - Mattias Backman is a mobile defenceman that is known for his veteran-like poise. His combination of elite vision and good defensive position makes him a great two-way defender. He is currently in his second season with Linkoping in the SEL. This season he posted two goals and 24 assists in 57 games, playing alongside veteran and one-time NHLer Magnus Johansson. During the World Juniors in 2012, he was known for his great defensive awareness away from the puck, playing a quiet but integral role on the team.




http://www.redwingscentral.com/prospect ... s-backman/

“The thing we liked most is that his skating ability is very, very good, and he’s always skating with his head up and making the right play at the right time and not over-handling it. His decision-making under pressure was very good. He played a very solid and steady game defensively and he’s always in the right position at the right time. He’s not a heavy banging defenseman but he can separate his man from the puck. He just puts himself in the right position and makes people go into bad areas.” — Red Wings scout Mark Leach (January 2012)

STRENGTHS
Extremely smooth on his skates with outstanding mobility in all directions … Veteran-like poise and vision, with the ability to lead the breakout with a crisp, smart first pass … Safe and steady, making few mistakes … Positions himself well defensively … At almost six-foot-three, has what scouts call a “projectable frame,” meaning he should have NHL size if he fills out.

WEAKNESSES
Doesn’t wow you in any individual area and lacks the dynamic element to be a high-end prospect … Tall but very slender without much strength … Finesse player who is not even remotely physical — he has been credited with almost no hits in Swedish Elite League play.




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10-02-2013, 12:47 PM
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Hey guys, today is Hampus Lindholm debut in the NHL

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I guess Karlsson, Hedman, Larsson, and Brodin all have Lidstrom potential.

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Why isn't there a thread dedicated for the next great Czech/Slovakian/Russian/Finnish/American/Canadian defenseman? I don't understand the purpose of this thread.

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Why isn't there a thread dedicated for the next great Czech/Slovakian/Russian/Finnish/American/Canadian defenseman? I don't understand the purpose of this thread.
Read it then

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I guess Karlsson, Hedman, Larsson, and Brodin all have Lidstrom potential.
I doubt we will ever see another Lidstrom but this guy is a Lidstrom clone at the same age.
Finished 8th amongst SEL d-men in scoring (Lidstrom finished 6th at the same age)
Regarded about as highly as Lidstrom was at the same age.
Scouting Report is identical.
Tall, smooth skating, skilled puck moving d-man who is positionally sound defensively with an active stick and rarely makes mistakes but isn't physical at all, needs to get stronger and may be too skinny for the NHL.

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Hey guys, today is Hampus Lindholm debut in the NHL


Oops, he'll be a healthy scratch.

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Why isn't there a thread dedicated for the next great Czech/Slovakian/Russian/Finnish/American/Canadian defenseman? I don't understand the purpose of this thread.
What are you?

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Mattias Backman. He is a 20 yr old Lidstrom, not saying he will be as good as Nick was but he is what Nick was as a 20 yr old.

List of young Swedish defensemen not compared to a young Nick Lidstrom:
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How do Kylington and Tilander compare to prospects like OEL, Larsson, Karlsson pre-draft?

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How do Kylington and Tilander compare to prospects like OEL, Larsson, Karlsson pre-draft?
This is a good question. Judging by hype I'd have too say Thilander has the most potential out the group. I've seen Kylington being mentioned as Karlsson/Ekman-Larsson like.

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This is a good question. Judging by hype I'd have too say Thilander has the most potential out the group. I've seen Kylington being mentioned as Karlsson/Ekman-Larsson like.
Interesting, Tilander certainly has received the most hype of a Swedish defenceman since Hedman/Larsson and he's already pretty physically mature for his age already at just shy of 6 feet and 200 lbs, he may be around 6'1 215 by the time his draft year rolls around.

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Jacob Nordqvist looks eerily lot like a young Erik Karlsson.

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Kylington looks fantastic. Haven't seen much of Thilander but he's putting up some great numbers this season. Look out for Sebastian Aho in this years draft, could be a new Enström.

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Saw Oliver Kylington play for Färjestad in the SHL against Brynäs a few weeks
ago, and i thought he was the best player on the ice. Great hands, good hockey IQ,
decent strength, he didnt get pushed around alot, and ok skating

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