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I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Calgary is on the verge of re-building or maybe they have already started, but if they looking into the future what kind of return would they want if they were to trade Jarome? I know its very unlikely but Iggy has always been one of my favorite players and I would love to see him in a Bruins uniform.
The thing is, trading Iginla would be proof positive that Calgary is in the re-building stage and I just don't think that's something they're ready to accept.
i dont think they will trade iginla and continue denying how bad they are for the next five years while they endure multiple mediocre bubble finishes
this pleases me as an oiler fan
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Originally Posted by Aquiace
Calgary is in the re-building stage and I just don't think that's something they're ready to accept.
Can we just close this thread now? Because this is all this thread will be; non Flames fans talking about the situation as if they know better than Flames fan.
i dont think horton is a good fit for the flames because this would be the start of a rebuild and he is in his prime
interesting pieces for calgary: seguin (straight up), hamilton, 1st, maybe rask not sure, other GOOD prospects i dont know about
i dont think they will trade iginla and continue denying how bad they are for the next five years while they endure multiple mediocre bubble finishes
this pleases me as an oiler fan
I may just be crazy for wanting Iggy on the Bruins (pipe dream). I just dont see him worth trading away Seguin or Hamilton in the long run as they have the potential to be #1 foward and #1 D on the Bruins. The same goes for Rask. Everyone else is touchable, although some are more unlikely to be traded than others.
Can we just close this thread now? Because this is all this thread will be; non Flames fans talking about the situation as if they know better than Flames fan.
can you elaborate then? as a fan looking in from the outside, all i see is a minimal prospect cupboard and a lot of older veterans with no trade/movement clauses.
while i do understand a lot of cap is coming off the books next off-season, your prospect shelf will still be in the lower half of the league and what if the free agents who do make it to free agency (seeing how in the new league, all the young talent is locked up for a very long time) spurn calgary? then whats next? pull a florida and sign 3rd tier free agents to fill out the team?
a rebuild just seems like a logical thing to do. it really reminds me of ottawa's situation a couple years back. high priced talent yet we couldnt make it over the hump and an empty prospect cupboard. eventually, it lead to a rebuild.
im not trying to offend anyone and if im wrong, please let me know. its just that's what i see.
can you elaborate then? as a fan looking in from the outside, all i see is a minimal prospect cupboard and a lot of older veterans with no trade/movement clauses.
while i do understand a lot of cap is coming off the books next off-season, your prospect shelf will still be in the lower half of the league and what if the free agents who do make it to free agency (seeing how in the new league, all the young talent is locked up for a very long time) spurn calgary? then whats next? pull a florida and sign 3rd tier free agents to fill out the team?
a rebuild just seems like a logical thing to do. it really reminds me of ottawa's situation a couple years back. high priced talent yet we couldnt make it over the hump and an empty prospect cupboard. eventually, it lead to a rebuild.
im not trying to offend anyone and if im wrong, please let me know. its just that's what i see.
The Flames will never be a team to go through a "traditional" rebuild. How many actually work? For every success story, there are 4 failures.
so whats the plan? toil in mediocracy until one of two things happens:
a) they get extremely lucky with their drafts and make key signings or
b) nothing and continue to toil in mediocracy
That's quite a list of options you have there, I'm glad you're not pulling towards one direction.
How about re-tool, continue to draft well, and pick up some solid free agents during the 2012 off-season, or make some quality trades?
You know, completely skip all the crap the Flames fans went through from 1996-2003, and instead of wasting that time, do what is necessarily to create a successful team?
First off, I don't see the Bruins as a team that has to make a big move like this unless the Flames wanted picks and/or prospects. Since just about every Flame fan says they are not rebuilding and it would take an incredible amount to acquire Iginla, I really don't see the Bruins as the team who would do this. Why would they? They are the Stanley Cup champions and probably want to keep their core players and prospects like Hamilton and young guys like Seguin.
Now if the Flames wanted a 1st and a prospect like Knight, then I could see the Bruins going for it, but according to most Flames fans they want more than that. I have a feeling that the Bruins aren't really interested in players who would cost so much.
I am not really commenting on Iginla's actual value here, just the situation of the Bruins right now.
Krejci does not have enough upside to fill the Flames biggest need which is a #1 centre. The only way I can see any deal that has Iginla going to Boston is for Seguin. I would do that deal straight up.
That's quite a list of options you have there, I'm glad you're not pulling towards one direction.
How about re-tool, continue to draft well, and pick up some solid free agents during the 2012 off-season, or make some quality trades?
You know, completely skip all the crap the Flames fans went through from 1996-2003, and instead of wasting that time, do what is necessarily to create a successful team?
well thats why i asked you what the plan was. im simply an outsider looking in. and the main problem with retooling in this nhl is that premium talent is very low in quantity but takes an arm and a leg to acquire.
i mean every team's goal is to draft well, pick up solid free agents and make quality trades. unfortunately most of them dont work out so well.
i understand there's more pressure for calgary to avoid a traditional rebuild and just re-tool but personally, i think a rebuild would benefit calgary. we never thought it would happen in ottawa, but it is. and to tell you the truth, the outlook hasnt been this good in a while.
Krejci does not have enough upside to fill the Flames biggest need which is a #1 centre. The only way I can see any deal that has Iginla going to Boston is for Seguin. I would do that deal straight up.
I doubt Boston does that deal. Right now Iginla is a better player than Seguin, but in a year or two who knows. The Bruins are going to need young players when guys move on as they inevitably do.
well thats why i asked you what the plan was. im simply an outsider looking in. and the main problem with retooling in this nhl is that premium talent is very low in quantity but takes an arm and a leg to acquire.
i mean every team's goal is to draft well, pick up solid free agents and make quality trades. unfortunately most of them dont work out so well.
i understand there's more pressure for calgary to avoid a traditional rebuild and just re-tool but personally, i think a rebuild would benefit calgary. we never thought it would happen in ottawa, but it is. and to tell you the truth, the outlook hasnt been this good in a while.
I respect your opinion and understand it, but the idea that teams simply go through cycles of contending and rebuilding is very superficial. There are dozens of teams that haven't gone through a rebuilding process that are very good teams today.
Since the lockout, the Flames have missed the playoffs just as many times as the Canucks. Should the Canucks have rebuilt after those misses? Well, I can bet that most Canuck fans are glad they didn't, and instead re-tooled. They made some great moves and developed many of their late picks into great players (Kesler, etc). It certainly can be done, and I don't even need to mention Detroit, the team which every franchise strives to be.
We are in no rush to trade Iginla, especially when I've heard over the past couple days that Pens fans wouldn't even trade Staal alone for him, or Bruins fans wouldn't trade Hamilton. If we wouldn't even get that for Iginla, I'd rather he retire as a Flame.
I respect your opinion and understand it, but the idea that teams simply go through cycles of contending and rebuilding is very superficial. There are dozens of teams that haven't gone through a rebuilding process that are very good teams today.
Since the lockout, the Flames have missed the playoffs just as many times as the Canucks. Should the Canucks have rebuilt after those misses? Well, I can bet that most Canuck fans are glad they didn't, and instead re-tooled. They made some great moves and developed many of their late picks into great players (Kesler, etc). It certainly can be done, and I don't even need to mention Detroit, the team which every franchise strives to be.
We are in no rush to trade Iginla, especially when I've heard over the past couple days that Pens fans wouldn't even trade Staal alone for him, or Bruins fans wouldn't trade Hamilton. If we wouldn't even get that for Iginla, I'd rather he retire as a Flame.
i totally respect your opinion, and in essence, thats all i really wanted. i wanted to know how actual flames fans see it. i appreciate it.
Out of every player that's discussed on these boards, Flames fans overrate Iginla's value more than any player. That's not saying he's not a great player, because he is, but there is no chance that you get Horton+1st+great prospect or 1st+Seguin/Hamilton.
I respect your opinion and understand it, but the idea that teams simply go through cycles of contending and rebuilding is very superficial. There are dozens of teams that haven't gone through a rebuilding process that are very good teams today.
Since the lockout, the Flames have missed the playoffs just as many times as the Canucks. Should the Canucks have rebuilt after those misses? Well, I can bet that most Canuck fans are glad they didn't, and instead re-tooled. They made some great moves and developed many of their late picks into great players (Kesler, etc). It certainly can be done, and I don't even need to mention Detroit, the team which every franchise strives to be.
We are in no rush to trade Iginla, especially when I've heard over the past couple days that Pens fans wouldn't even trade Staal alone for him, or Bruins fans wouldn't trade Hamilton. If we wouldn't even get that for Iginla, I'd rather he retire as a Flame.
vancouver managed to bend florida and steal a potential vezina winner, fixing their weakness, allowing them to compete,
id say itd be something like knight+spooner+caron+1st for iginla
Seriously though, the Flames have like 9 guys coming off the books after this season. If we miss the playoffs again, expect MASSIVE housecleaning. If a team makes an offer that is a huge overpayment for Iginla/Kipper/Bouwmeester at the deadline (a top prospect, 1st, conditional 1st, salary dump) then the Flames would dumb not to take it. We love Iggy but most would love to see him win a cup on another team ala Ray Bourque.
Can we just close this thread now? Because this is all this thread will be; non Flames fans talking about the situation as if they know better than Flames fan.
Calgary should be in re-tool mode at least. I admit I haven't been watching their off-season that much but after a quick look at TSN I noticed that nothing much has been done. So I guess they're just hoping things will turn out differently with a very similar team. (Regher out and Babchuk and Butler in)
The question is can Calgary get some great young pieces for Iginla - because it would have to be somebody like Malkin if there weren't multiple players coming back.
I'd want either Seguin or Marchand, otherwise the conversation would be a quick one. IF we were to ever deal Iginla, we would need a potential franchise player coming back. Seguin may or not be that guy someday, and Marchand probably won't be a franchise player, be he is sure as hell would be a nice player to build a young core around. I`d start with one of those pieces and go from there. Seguin would be my first choice.
However, I think any chances of Iginla being traded are extremely slim.
