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the Gretzky trade if it were made today

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08-16-2011, 10:06 AM
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Devils would be something like larsson tedenby zajac and 2 firsts slight overpayment IMO
THat would not even get you in the conversation.

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08-16-2011, 10:11 AM
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THat would not even get you in the conversation.
If he were on the oilers right now I believe it would as larsson is probably the best D prospect in the league, Teddy is a young player with loads of pot and zajac is a solid 1st or 2nd line centre

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08-16-2011, 10:16 AM
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If he were on the oilers right now I believe it would as larsson is probably the best D prospect in the league, Teddy is a young player with loads of pot and zajac is a solid 1st or 2nd line centre
and gretzky is the best player to ever play in the NHL.

Parise
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Money would have to be the main factor. Only a really ridiculous package could be worth it as a hockey trade.

Basically you can boil it down to maybe the 3 or 4 richest teams paying off Edmonton with an eight-figure bribe.
I think a comparable would be 9 figures. Gretzky was sold for almost as much as the Edmonton franchise was worth at the time, so we are talking in the neighborhood of 200mm today.

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Honestly we can't measure his true value today. Since money can't be included in a trade it's purely hockey asset. From Bostons standpoint

Lucic
Marchand
Seguin
Chara
Krejci
3 1st round picks
3 2nd round picks
whatever else they want

In his prime, Gretzky was that damn good, and from a management standpoint he sold not only tickets, but he sold product off the shelves. His value was much greater than any 1 player today.
What would that leave us with, Gretzky and Hamill. That's too much imo even for number 99.

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If he were on the oilers right now I believe it would as larsson is probably the best D prospect in the league, Teddy is a young player with loads of pot and zajac is a solid 1st or 2nd line centre
And Gretzky was the (arguably) the best player to ever play. I know these are quality players but this would not get you in the game or even close. Do you think that package would get Ovechkin out of Washington? If you want to make a deal from NJ you would start with both Kovalchuk and Parise.

The deal at the time was all about money. Sather forced Pocklington to make it look like a hockey deal but in reality it was not. Pocklington got an amount that would have been more than half of the value of the franchise for Gretzky.

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and gretzky is the best player to ever play in the NHL.

Parise
Larsson
Zajac
2 1st's
This would be fair value but the devils would never do it

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if the great one put up those points today, crosby wouldn't be enough

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I wanna try isles. John Tavares, Niño Neiderrieter,Calvin de hann and 2 firsts?

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I wanna try isles. John Tavares, Niño Neiderrieter,Calvin de hann and 2 firsts?
As good as Tavares is the Islanders do not have what it takes to be in this conversation. You will need to have a player who is in the top 5 in the league or two players that are close to that calibre if you are to even start putting together a legitimate hockey deal. This is why a pure hockey trade would make little sense.

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08-16-2011, 10:28 AM
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Putting aside cap and if money could still be traded, rich teams like NYR, Totonto, Detroit...etc would build a deal around a lump sum of cash. Say 40 million.

It's funny too cause Gretzky picked McSorley and Krushelnyski to go to LA with him.

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The deal wouldn't have happened if it wasn't about money. Gretzky was sold, not traded.

I know, they are basically the same thing, but the wording is important.

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Jeff Carter, Mike Richards, Matt Carle, and 2 1st's.
some sort of 4-way deal involving philly, la, the jackets, and the coyotes (obviously gretzky's team...)?

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Parise or Kovalchuk
Larsson
Zajac
however many picks they wanted

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08-16-2011, 11:08 AM
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Kessel + Gunnarsson
That's a joke.

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I guess Crosby is the best comparison in the NHL right now; but he is so much younger than Gretzky was at the time of the trade, so it looks a little off. Anyway, here is what I've got:

to Colorado

Sidney Crosby (Gretzky)
Pascal Dupuis (Krushelnyski)
Mike Rupp (McSorley)

to Pittsburgh

Matt Duchene (Carson)
Gabriel Landeskog (Gelinas)
3 1st Rounders and Cash
These two seem like good value for him.

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Honestly we can't measure his true value today. Since money can't be included in a trade it's purely hockey asset. From Bostons standpoint

Lucic
Marchand
Seguin
Chara
Krejci
3 1st round picks
3 2nd round picks
whatever else they want

In his prime, Gretzky was that damn good, and from a management standpoint he sold not only tickets, but he sold product off the shelves. His value was much greater than any 1 player today.
That's WAY too much. Drop Lucic, Marchand, a 1st, and 2 2nds.

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Parise or Kovalchuk
Larsson
Zajac
however many picks they wanted
That's way too much again. Pretty sure you can drop Zajac and add a 1st.

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08-16-2011, 11:18 AM
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Clarkson, Zubrus, Fraser, 1 mil, does it get it done?

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I think this is overpayment though

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In looking at a few of these trades, I think some of you are too young to have seen Gretzky in his prime. I've been a Kings fan since the beginning of the 1990 season, and had season seats all during the Gretzky era (and beyond), never missing a game. If there is one player out there that won games singlehandedly, it was Wayne. Some (most) nights he looked like he was the best in the world playing against junior teams. He was THAT good.

Others here (that seem to be listing their top prospects plus every player in their top 6, and their next 3+ 1st rounders) are not really thinking. Sure you have to make up the money aspect of the deal that happened (and to be honest, I'm not sure you can in today's game), but you also have to think about cap.

To be honest, I don't really think a trade could happen for a player like Gretzky in his prime in today's cap era that makes sense for either team.

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And Gretzky was the (arguably) the best player to ever play. I know these are quality players but this would not get you in the game or even close. Do you think that package would get Ovechkin out of Washington? If you want to make a deal from NJ you would start with both Kovalchuk and Parise.

The deal at the time was all about money. Sather forced Pocklington to make it look like a hockey deal but in reality it was not. Pocklington got an amount that would have been more than half of the value of the franchise for Gretzky.
I agree with both paragraphs above.

As to the first, imagine the return for Crosby or Ovechkin, now increase that return even more, because as good as they are compared to their peers, Gretzky (and Mario) was head and shoulders above his peers. For those too young to realize how good Gretzky was, or how ridiculous his point totals compared to the rest of the league were, it'd be like Crosby leading the league in scoring every season with 150 points, when the next closest guys were getting 100.

As to the second, anyone who looks at the actual players exchanged in that Gretzky deal and thinks that was anywhere close to fair market value, doesn't understand the whole driving force for that deal. Pocklington wanted the money. That was the centerpiece to the deal. If it weren't a money-deal, the package of players coming back would have been significantly greater.

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Yes I know cash can no longer be involved in a deal but if it could and the Gretzky trade could be made today what would be it's value? who would have the assets to pull it off?
maybe an estimate of the contract he could have today would help.

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a bag of pucks if that, even Phoenix doesn't want him

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