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Phoenix XXXIX: You Never Give Me Your Money

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08-16-2011, 09:09 AM
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Phoenix XXXIX: You Never Give Me Your Money

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You never give me your money
You only give me your funny paper
and in the middle of negotiations
you break down

I never give you my number
I only give you my situation
and in the middle of investigation
I break down

Out of college, money spent
See no future, pay no rent
All the money's gone, nowhere to go
Any jobber got the sack
Monday morning, turning back
Yellow lorry slow, nowhere to go
But oh, that magic feeling, nowhere to go
Oh, that magic feeling
Nowhere to go
Nowhere to go

One sweet dream
Pick up the bags and get in the limousine
Soon we'll be away from here
Step on the gas and wipe that tear away
One sweet dream came true... today
Came true... today
Came true... today...yes it did
One two three four five six seven,
All good children go to Heaven

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Ol' thread Phoenix,
That ol' thread Phoenix.
We must say something,
But we don't know nothing.
That ol' thread Phoenix,
It just keep rolling along.


In the Beginning, ...

12-08-2008 Hockey in The Desert (Phoenix franchise and finance/business matters)
02-04-2009 Hockey in the Desert II (Phoenix Coyotes franchise and business matters)

05-05-2009 Balsillie puts in $212.5 mil offer for the Coyotes
05-07-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part II
05-18-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part III
05-22-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part IV
06-03-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part V
06-09-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part VI
06-12-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part VII: I'm just waitin' on a judge
06-16-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part VIII: It's dead, Jim
06-24-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part IX: 'Dorf on Hockey
07-25-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part X: The Truth? You Can't Handle The Truth!
08-03-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XI: A Fistful of Dollars?
08-07-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XII: For a Few Dollars More
08-12-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XIII: The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly
08-21-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XIV: The Wrath of Baum
08-27-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XV - SITREP: SNAFU
09-02-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XVI: Barbarian at the Gate
09-08-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XVII: Wake Me Up When September Ends
09-10-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XVIII: Is that a pale horse in the distance?
09-12-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy Part XIX: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Baum
09-21-2009 Phoenix Bankruptcy Part XX: There Will Be Baum
09-28-2009 Phoenix Bankruptcy Part XXI: 2009 -- A Sports Odyssey
10-26-2009 Phoenix Bankruptcy Part XXII: Long and winding road

11-24-2009 Keeping up with potential owners for NHL Phoenix Coyotes (UPD: Ice Edge signs LOI)
03-14-2010 Part II. Potential owners of NHL's Phoenix Coyotes
03-26-2010 Part III. Prospective Owners - Phoenix Coyotes (UPD Lease vote 4/13; IEH signs MOU)
04-10-2010 Part IV Phoenix Coyotes post bankrtuptcy; UPD COG approves Reinsdorf MOU, not IEH MOU
05-02-2010 Part V Phoenix Coyotes post bankruptcy UPD Reinsdorf out? IEH back in? else Winnipeg?
05-11-2010 Part VI Phoenix Coyotes post bankruptcy
05-23-2010 Part VII Phoenix Coyotes post bankrtuptcy
06-07-2010 Part VIII: Phoenix Coyotes Post-bankrtuptcy
06-22-2010 Part IX: Phoenix Coyotes Post-bankruptcy UPD: Pres Moss fired 6/30 with IEH input
07-26-2010 Part X: Phoenix Coyotes - Between Scylla and Charybdis
08-27-2010 Part XI: Phoenix Coyotes -- Greetings, Starfighter, You have been selected ...
09-16-2010 Part XII: Phx Coyotes - Still haven't found what I'm looking for
10-12-2010 Part XIII: Phoenix Coyotes - The Final Cut?
10-27-2010 Part XIV: Phoenix Coyotes - To Infinity And Beyond....
12-05-2010 Part XV: Phoenix - the battle of evermore
12-14-2010 Part XVI: Phoenix -- Money for Nothing
12-20-2010 Part XVII: Phoenix -- Thread Title Available For Lease
01-09-2011 Part XVIII: Phoenix -- Imminence Front
01-24-2011 Phoenix XIXth: Nervous Breakdown
02-02-2011 Phoenix XX: Two weeks
02-11-2011 Phoenix XXI: When will then be now?
02-22-2011 Phoenix XXII: It's Now or Never
02-28-2011 Phoenix XXIII - Bond: The Phoenix Project
03-03-2011 Phoenix XXIV: How many twists does the scriptwriter have left?
03-07-2011 Phoenix XXV: Anyone in the theatre seen a pale horse?
03-08-2011 Phoenix XXVI: Pain in the AZ
03-11-2011 Phoenix XXVII: Can we all get along?
03-16-2011 Phoenix XXVIII: Lawyers, Bonds and Money
03-20-2011 Phoenix XXIX: What's the next act? I'm tired of the dog & pony show
03-22-2011 Phoenix Part XXX Hulz, you gotta get a gimmick if you want to get ahead
03-27-2011 Phoenix Part XXXI: I feel I'm in a time loop
04-05-2011 Phoenix Part XXXII: Bridge over Troubled Goldwater
04-14-2011 Phoenix XXXIII: Sound of Silence
04-20-2011 Phoenix XXXIV: Project Mayhem
04-25-2011 Phoenix XXXV: Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave...
05-03-2011 Phoenix XXXVI - There's got to be a morning after
05-10-2011 Phoenix XXXVII - The Heat is On

Followed by the Interregnum between Kings Phoenix the XXXVII-th and Phoenix the XXXVIII-th:

[PYTHON]
The most interesting thing about King Charles, the first
Is that he was 5 foot 6 inches tall at the start of his reign
But only 4 foot 8 inches tall at the end of it because of
Oliver Cromwell, Lord Protector of England Puritan
Born in 1599 and died in 1658 September
[/PYTHON]

06-09-2011 ESPN's Burnside: Hulsizer submitted new deal; COG city manager dragging it out
06-20-2011 Coyotes related: Westgate faces foreclosure
06-21-2011 Phoenix, worst case scenario


Finally, the realm was restored ...

06-27-2011 Phoenix XXXVIII: Hulsizer Pulls Bid For Coyotes
08-16-2011 Phoenix XXXIX: You Never Give Me Your Money

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Step on the gas & wipe that tear away....

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So that means we're really on XLII (or LXVI if you count the previous XXIV)

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Here's an interesting development. I'm not too sure if this warrants its own thread here in the business board, but...

http://coyotes.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=587031

The Coyotes have signed an ECHL affiliation deal with the Gwinnett Gladiators.

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I thought they would secure an ECHL affiliation closer to their AHL team. I'm a little surprised by this move.

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Phoenix XXXX: Shut Up And Take My Money!


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So what you're saying is that we now have over 64 thousand posts on the business of phoenix.

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I thought they would secure an ECHL affiliation closer to their AHL team. I'm a little surprised by this move.
I find it somewhat interesting that the affiliation is with the former Thrashers ECHL team, which as we all know Jetted northward.

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So what you're saying is that we now have over 64 thousand posts on the business of phoenix.

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I thought they would secure an ECHL affiliation closer to their AHL team. I'm a little surprised by this move.
WHY? What other affiliation out there is closer to Portland, goyotes, that's not already spoken for..... Didn't DM/BT already say once Buffalo bought Rochester, that Las Vegas was endangered, which is why SA was also not extended....

there are flights directly between ATL and PWM.

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I find it somewhat interesting that the affiliation is with the former Thrashers ECHL team, which as we all know Jetted northward.
Don't know if this fits the textbook definition of irony, but...

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I thought they would secure an ECHL affiliation closer to their AHL team. I'm a little surprised by this move.
Sharks' ECHL affiliate is in the NHL's back yard, but cross country from their AHL affiliate. YMMV.

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So what you're saying is that we now have over 64 thousand posts on the business of phoenix.
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But you missed all the deleted posts.

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But you missed all the deleted posts.




30% deletion rate during the hottest debates?




(Probably more like 10-15%, I'd guess.)

 
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Not a lot but I can tell you this:

I am being told that the lead guy in the one of the ownership groups (not led by Jerry Reinsdorf) will be in Phoenix on Monday.

Regarding the bid being submitted today: Their price has been shared with the NHL, and they will be prepared to put 1st payment on Monday if their bid is formally accepted.

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It's probably because I've been out of it for SO long as far as procedures, but wouldn't the owner only be putting money down AFTER he negotiated a lease agreement with CoG? Or is able to put a payment on the team with the NHL (I guess to gain exclusive?) before doing that?

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30% deletion rate during the hottest debates?




(Probably more like 10-15%, I'd guess.)
I seem to recall that after awhile you could just have a template for "Discussion of (enter team here) is discussed elsewhere, keep it on the subject of Phoenix!"

Oh, and I am assuming "Attack the post, NOT the poster" must have been on some hot key setup? crtl, shift BQ (be quiet) maybe?

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Just another Day in the Life of our dearly beloved Mods&Admins... 4000 holes in the threads, same thing found in Blackburn, Lancashire so many years ago. They counted them all. No hanging chads to deal with either. Swift justice with a sharp blade. And lest we forget the Departed, one poor guy in particular, on this side of the Border, sitting on the shores of a Great Lake trying to make out landfall...... Blew his mind out in a Car; didnt notice that the lights had changed.....

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It's probably because I've been out of it for SO long as far as procedures, but wouldn't the owner only be putting money down AFTER he negotiated a lease agreement with CoG? Or is able to put a payment on the team with the NHL (I guess to gain exclusive?) before doing that?
The nhl has the right to use the arena, they have 10 one year renewal options. Like I said earlier the Cof G has zero say about it. The league could just keep renewing for the new owner. I would think the city is involved only if the new owner wants a longer term than 10 years (Insert major laugh here), or if they are asked for more money.

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Reading through all those old topic titles just reminds me of an old refrain....

It. Never. Ends.

And it probably never will....

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Reading through all those old topic titles just reminds me of an old refrain....

It. Never. Ends.

And it probably never will....
SPOILER ALERT!

It will end in a remote, dusty prarie outside of Cuautla, with Mayor Scruggs trying to flood the plains to make a new rink, and her city council members setting up fruit stands, clothing kiosks and a food truck in Glendale's new annexed venture, Southgate. Scott Burnside will report there are multiple unnamed parties exploring a purchase and that the deal, pardon the irony, is inminente. Gary Bettman will be praising the expansion into the final frontier of new hockey markets, at least until commercial space travel is perfected.

Sorry to all, I didn't have the patience so I read the final chapter.

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Just a suggestion for those of us who have resorted to a bi-weekly drop-in to see if anything has changed...

Could someone type up a brief synopsis of where we stand at the moment, and plug it into the first post of each thread? "Previously, on Lost" style?

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Just a suggestion for those of us who have resorted to a bi-weekly drop-in to see if anything has changed...

Could someone type up a brief synopsis of where we stand at the moment, and plug it into the first post of each thread? "Previously, on Lost" style?
easy, the same place we stood 3 years ago when this all started. no where and completely lost like you said.

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