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08-25-2011, 07:46 PM
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I posted this earlier on the Canucks message board and I wanted to see if the other fans of the trade would accept as well.

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Why would we do that? Wishart's a decent prospect with upside and size. Parent is waiver wire material. Terrible value for the Islanders.

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Why would we do that? Wishart's a decent prospect with upside and size. Parent is waiver wire material. Terrible value for the Islanders.

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I imagined this trade as a minor change of scenery for both players but I'm wrong I guess as you still see Wishart with a fairly good amount of potential. The bolded part is one of the reasons why Parent is going the other way and why Wishart is coming back. Thanks for the welcome by the way. I've been more a lurker on HF Boards but a greeting is always appreciated.

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Yeah it makes no sense for the isles

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I imagined this trade as a minor change of scenery for both players but I'm wrong I guess as you still see Wishart with a fairly good amount of potential. The bolded part is one of the reasons why Parent is going the other way and why Wishart is coming back. Thanks for the welcome by the way. I've been more a lurker on HF Boards but a greeting is always appreciated.
If that's your reasoning then the Islanders might as well just pick up Parent on waivers. We won't though, we need a top-4 defenseman which Parent is not.

If you want to trade Ballard and a pick to us for Bailey or Comeau, I'm down.

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If that's your reasoning then the Islanders might as well just pick up Parent on waivers. We won't though, we need a top-4 defenseman which Parent is not.

If you want to trade Ballard and a pick to us for Bailey or Comeau, I'm down.
One of Bailey or Comeau do sound intriguing but in the Canucks current situation, we're better off keeping Ballard and giving him another shot.

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If that's your reasoning then the Islanders might as well just pick up Parent on waivers. We won't though, we need a top-4 defenseman which Parent is not.

If you want to trade Ballard and a pick to us for Bailey or Comeau, I'm down.
Nah. Most Canuck fans see this as a bounce back year for Ballard, and although either Bailey or Comeau would compliment us a great deal, and free up some cap space to boot, we don't have enough puck movers in our current group.

As for the OP, I'd be down. Parent is/was considered to have a great deal of upside, and the only reason he didn't join the team midway through last season was because of re-entry waivers. Wishart may have a higher ceiling, but I don't think Parent is as low in value as Slapshot thinks, just that Wishart is the more valuable player in the long run, and short term Parent isn't a top 4 guy. I wouldn't be against a pick or lesser prospect heading back to even things out in terms of value, but Parent should prove he's better then waiver wire material.

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Nah. Most Canuck fans see this as a bounce back year for Ballard, and although either Bailey or Comeau would compliment us a great deal, and free up some cap space to boot, we don't have enough puck movers in our current group.

As for the OP, I'd be down. Parent is/was considered to have a great deal of upside, and the only reason he didn't join the team midway through last season was because of re-entry waivers. Wishart may have a higher ceiling, but I don't think Parent is as low in value as Slapshot thinks, just that Wishart is the more valuable player in the long run, and short term Parent isn't a top 4 guy. I wouldn't be against a pick or lesser prospect heading back to even things out in terms of value, but Parent should prove he's better then waiver wire material.
the fact however, he is waiver wire material as right after being traded to Vancouver he was waived, which he cleared, his game has gone downhill fast, and there's no need for the Isles to trade the promising Wishart for him, He'll need to try and rebuild his value in the A

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If you want to trade Ballard and a pick to us for Bailey or Comeau, I'm down.
That would be interesting trade, assuming the Canucks had plans to utilize Ballard's cap space elsewhere, but I think they're intent on giving Ballard a legit shot at a top 4 role next season. Last year was just a completely bad situation for Ballard all-around, there's every reason to believe he can bounce back.

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If that's your reasoning then the Islanders might as well just pick up Parent on waivers. We won't though, we need a top-4 defenseman which Parent is not.

If you want to trade Ballard and a pick to us for Bailey or Comeau, I'm down.
i'm not.

ballard is what i call a league leftover. people say, "he's possibly decent. he's somewhat capable. he's available...so let's pounce on him!!!"

what a ridiculous way to think. let's pounce on vancouver's leftovers? i'm in!!!

seriously, i take a pass on a guy who couldn't crack his team's lineup in the playoffs.

as for ryan parent...the kid seemed to have so much promise. where did it go? i feel bad for the kid. just another example as to how prospects don't all reach the level people here on hf seem to think all youngsters will. did i mention i feel bad for the kid?

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i'm not.

ballard is what i call a league leftover. people say, "he's possibly decent. he's somewhat capable. he's available...so let's pounce on him!!!"

what a ridiculous way to think. let's pounce on vancouver's leftovers? i'm in!!!

seriously, i take a pass on a guy who couldn't crack his team's lineup in the playoffs.

as for ryan parent...the kid seemed to have so much promise. where did it go? i feel bad for the kid. just another example as to how prospects don't all reach the level people here on hf seem to think all youngsters will. did i mention i feel bad for the kid?
I think Ballard just had one bad year. He was really good in Florida.

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I think Ballard just had one bad year. He was really good in Florida.
perhaps, but i still wouldn't give up on either of bailey or comeau to get him. ballard's value is at a low and i think the isles would be fools to trade a high quality youngster to get him given his inability to crack vancouver's lineup in the post season. i'll take my chances with jb or bc.

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the fact however, he is waiver wire material as right after being traded to Vancouver he was waived, which he cleared, his game has gone downhill fast, and there's no need for the Isles to trade the promising Wishart for him, He'll need to try and rebuild his value in the A
The few Moose games I saw live he looked excellent in, and the odd televised game I saw him in he looked great as well. He was waived, but so was Grabner. I'm not counting on Parent to win a rookie scoring title, but just because a guy couldn't top 8 NHL ready defensemen and was placed on waivers at the beginning of the season doesn't mean he has negative value now.

I will agree that Wishart straight up would be lopsided in the Canucks favor, but Parent isn't Wade Redden here.

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The few Moose games I saw live he looked excellent in, and the odd televised game I saw him in he looked great as well. He was waived, but so was Grabner. I'm not counting on Parent to win a rookie scoring title, but just because a guy couldn't top 8 NHL ready defensemen and was placed on waivers at the beginning of the season doesn't mean he has negative value now.

I will agree that Wishart straight up would be lopsided in the Canucks favor, but Parent isn't Wade Redden here.
actually if their salaries were even id take Redden, he's not bad as a 3rd pairing guy its just his contract. by the time Parent left Philly his confidence was non existent, he needs to rebuild himself. When you make Bartulis look good by comparison, youre in trouble, and this from a guy who was willing to give a high 2nd for parent, I thought he had real promise, but he just lost all confidence in himself in Philly

he needs a strong veteran to help him find his game again, there's talent there, but he just doesnt seem to know it, Is there someone on the Canucks D that can help him? on the Isles I know Streit could

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Wishart has always been bounced around which is why I feel his development has been hurt. He needs stability which I think the Isles will provide, so no to that.

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I imagined this trade as a minor change of scenery for both players but I'm wrong I guess as you still see Wishart with a fairly good amount of potential. The bolded part is one of the reasons why Parent is going the other way and why Wishart is coming back. Thanks for the welcome by the way. I've been more a lurker on HF Boards but a greeting is always appreciated.
Wishart doesn't need a change of scenery, he just got here.

I don't think that the Canucks and the Isles would make very good trade partners.

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Wishart has always been bounced around which is why I feel his development has been hurt. He needs stability which I think the Isles will provide, so no to that.
in his defense so has Parent, I really think with the proper mentoring he could be a serviceable top 4 and better in a few years if he got his confidence back

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Wishart is better, so Isles say no

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i'm not.

ballard is what i call a league leftover. people say, "he's possibly decent. he's somewhat capable. he's available...so let's pounce on him!!!"

what a ridiculous way to think. let's pounce on vancouver's
leftovers? i'm in!!!

seriously, i take a pass on a guy who couldn't crack his team's
lineup in the playoffs.

as for ryan parent...the kid seemed to have so much promise. where
did it go? i feel bad for the kid. just another example as to how prospects don't all reach the level people here on hf seem to think all
youngsters will. did i mention i feel bad for the kid?
I couldn't agree with you more I have no interest in Ballard especially at the cost of comeau or Bailey

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I couldn't agree with you more I have no interest in Ballard especially at the cost of comeau or Bailey
Thats surprising, prior to last year Ballard was higher rated than Vlasic, aand yet now you want Vlasic but wouldnt touch Ballard.?

you do know Ballard was traded for Michael Grabner, Steve Bernier, and Vancouver's first round pick, youd never get that for Vlasic, not even close to that

interesting

personally i think Ballard is a much better overall defenseman than Vlasic by far, the only caveat I have is he truly healthy, those hip injuries are scary


im holding out for Ballard and a 3rd for Comeau, Blake would be great for Kesler and vice versa, I think Kesler is a great player and this way i could still feel good about losing Comeau, even when he scores 30+ in Van city, Comeau being a former center would be Ideal for the new sniper Kesler

Comeau isnt afraid to go to the net like "Mason the pansy" is


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i'm not.

ballard is what i call a league leftover. people say, "he's possibly decent. he's somewhat capable. he's available...so let's pounce on him!!!"

what a ridiculous way to think. let's pounce on vancouver's leftovers? i'm in!!!

seriously, i take a pass on a guy who couldn't crack his team's lineup in the playoffs.

as for ryan parent...the kid seemed to have so much promise. where did it go? i feel bad for the kid. just another example as to how prospects don't all reach the level people here on hf seem to think all youngsters will. did i mention i feel bad for the kid?
Ballard is actually a case of mind-bogglingly poor handling by the coach here. Seriously, we go up and down this one on a regular basis on the Canucks' board. He picked last year to develop the fragility that tends to afflict our blueline (we suspect it's something in the water) and he wound up as AV's whipping boy for reasons known only to AV. Okay, he didn't have some great moments but he's really needed here to mitigate the loss of Ehrhoff. And of course, his value's never been lower so trading him really makes zero sense.

Parent's just buried in the Canucks' system. Tanev soared past him in the depth chart and even Sauve looked better in the few games he played. I really have no idea if he'll ever see the light of NHL day as long as he's here. Trade value = draft pick...?

So in other words, hell yes to the OP.

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actually if their salaries were even id take Redden, he's not bad as a 3rd pairing guy its just his contract. by the time Parent left Philly his confidence was non existent, he needs to rebuild himself. When you make Bartulis look good by comparison, youre in trouble, and this from a guy who was willing to give a high 2nd for parent, I thought he had real promise, but he just lost all confidence in himself in Philly

he needs a strong veteran to help him find his game again, there's talent there, but he just doesnt seem to know it, Is there someone on the Canucks D that can help him? on the Isles I know Streit could
If Parent makes the Canucks roster he would likely be 3rd paring pared with Salo. So yes he would have a strong veteran partner and would not be forced into a high pressure top 4 role.

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Ballard is actually a case of mind-bogglingly poor handling by the coach here. Seriously, we go up and down this one on a regular basis on the Canucks' board. He picked last year to develop the fragility that tends to afflict our blueline (we suspect it's something in the water) and he wound up as AV's whipping boy for reasons known only to AV. Okay, he didn't have some great moments but he's really needed here to mitigate the loss of Ehrhoff. And of course, his value's never been lower so trading him really makes zero sense.

Parent's just buried in the Canucks' system. Tanev soared past him in the depth chart and even Sauve looked better in the few games he played. I really have no idea if he'll ever see the light of NHL day as long as he's here. Trade value = draft pick...?

So in other words, hell yes to the OP.
I agree with everything in this post but there is no way Sauve has looked better than Parent last year. Parent actually played well last season he just wasn't able to show it. Perhaps he'll be the 8th option for the Canucks this season.

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I think Ballard just had one bad year. He was really good in Florida.
Sometimes players just learn to lose. He was always on a bad team before Vancouver and it looks like he might just not be a winner. He always seemed overrated IMO. I really doubt anyone trades for that contract after the way he shat the bed in the playoffs.

Wishart is a good prospect, the centerpiece of the Rolson deal iirc, so no he's not getting traded for a guy who cleared waivers just last year. Not only that Vancover already has 8 NHL contracts for d-men, add Tanev to the mix, and their just going to be forced to waive Wishart too.

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